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Does God exist?

Does God exist?

  • Yes, I believe in some kind of deity and/or creator.

    Votes: 36 43.4%

  • No, God does not exist and has nothing to do with what's real.

    Votes: 31 37.3%

  • We have no way of telling. It's one of the many mysteries of life.

    Votes: 15 18.1%

  • It's all about something else, or you have some other opinion (please explain.)

    Votes: 1 1.2%
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kevin23

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Yes, God is real.
Reason we exist: To help others.

It would take many pages to address your questions, but this is my short version.
 
Brace yourself for an avalanche of elaborate rationalizations.
 
I believe that there is a god/God because human beings, since the dawn of time, before reason even reared its elegant head, have looked for and tried to understand a concept of God, of divinity. We can't have made that up out of nothing.

I mean, even the plain desire to cheat death and beg for crops, from which most religions spring, comes from an awareness that there is Something that might just be powerful enough to help out with that.

The very notion that we wonder what life is about indicates to me that it's about something. That we ask the question shows that we sense there's an answer.

Bottom line, though: I believe in God because I want for there to be a God. Though I think the desire to want a god indicates there's a god to be found, the only thing I can prove is that I want it. Circular, see... I want it to be, and claim that my desire for a god wouldn't exist if there weren't a god...self-evident hypotheses aren't really logical.
 
I put that "we have no way of knowing" ... because we really don't.

I consider myself Agnostic. At the same time, I don't think it is a real stretch to say that there clearly had to be some force way beyond our understanding responsible for the Creation of the Universe and the Creation of Life as we know it. The intricacies that go into the world as we know it are astounding.

However, no I am not convinced it is the Christian God we have been led to believe it was .... for reasons that I am not getting into in this particular thread, however reasons that have been stated many, many times before.

At the same time, who is to say that this force is actually still with us anymore? Has anyone ever thought to themselves, "Gee, maybe this Force has actually died and is no longer with us anymore" ?

It's impossible to say, either way ... if it was a Deity, Alien Life Form, or some Supernatural Force we just don't comprehend.
 
My beliefs most closely follow those of Deists...
 
Not the first clue, and I don't trust those who proclaim to know otherwise one way or the other. I particularly don't trust those who proclaim to have intimate knowledge of such an entity, who proclaim to know its desires, its intentions, its essential nature, etc.

One thing I am certain of: if such entities do exist, it or they or whatever is likely to be far more abstruse than any of our current preconceptions allow for, particularly those that exist within traditional mythologies.
 
I don't believe in a god in the traditional sense - as a being with a body and a personality, in a certain place (Heaven, etc.), that observes and directs our lives and punishes people who sin.

My concept of god is panentheistic. God is everything there is, including the universe and beyond, and is in everything that is. We are all part of god. Everything that exists is united as an eternal whole.
 
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. If he would exist, it would be our duty to collectively suicide ourselves immediately. Live in this world is unbearable and if it has been created on purpose, it would become totally unbearable and it would be our duty, at least if we have any respect for ouselves, to kill ourselves immediately.
 
Well, my answer is "almost certainly not." When pushed, I'll say I'm an agnostic, because I can't completely rule out the possibility of God -- much like how Bertrand Russell, in his example, can't rule out the possibility of a Chinese teapot in orbit between the Earth and Mars. But do I believe? No.

On a personal level, I'm even less impressed with new-agey "higher powers" or the "spiritual, not religious" position. They sound so fuzzy-headed and vague to me that I find them off-putting. But again, strictly speaking, I can't rule them out.
 
God, knows. Even if we don't.

On a more practical level it could be said that God does not depend on our belief, or non belief for His existence.

"Our job is to love others without stopping to inquire whether or not they are worthy. That is not our business and, in fact, it is nobody's business. What we are asked to do is to love, and this love itself will render both ourselves and our neighbours worthy."
— Thomas Merton
 
The most practical and compelling argument to believe in God I have found is in C.S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity. Here is an excerpt from what I consider the most compelling part:

(When he was an atheist) "My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line...Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that is has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be a word without meaning."

Hope it is as thought provoking for you as it was for me!:-)
 
Unclean said:
So I guess that means there must be a couple of hundred dollar bills in my wallet. :rolleyes:
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No... you see, hundred-dollar bills exist, you know they do. You've probably held one in your hot little hand. Where they are and where they go are mundane matters of location.

Now, could you believe in something that doesn't exist? Something not made up of pieces and bits of things that already exist in your world (i.e., science fiction), but something that bears no relation to reality as you know it? Could you believe in the existence of something to which there is no correlative in your world?

And now assume that you're a prehistoric man who has no written language, no concept of the world outside of his own immediate area, no real way of remembering the past or imagining the future... how is that person going to make up a thing that doesn't exist? And then pray to it? I don't think it can be done.

I think that prehistoric man instinctively felt that there is Something Out There; and for him to feel that, I believe it had to have been there. Whether that Something was God, or Alpha Centaurians, or transdimensional beasties, or even just the ghosts of dead humans, I can't say.

I choose to believe what I believe, as do you. That's what a belief is, a choice you make in the absence of evidence. We don't like not knowing things, so we fill in the blanks with beliefs. Unless you refuse to alter your beliefs in the face of solid empirical evidence, or try to force others to believe what you believe, there's really neither good nor harm in it.

And I promise not to belittle your beliefs, swear to Whomever.
 
Sweetwater said:
The most practical and compelling argument to believe in God I have found is in C.S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity. Here is an excerpt from what I consider the most compelling part:

(When he was an atheist) "My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line...Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that is has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be a word without meaning."
Hope it is as thought provoking for you as it was for me!:-)
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C.S. Lewis was an inspired, and inspiring human being. Thanks for quoting him.

We can only understand the light, after having experienced darkness.
 
I've staked my afterlife on being 100% positive that there is no god. No Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, either.
 
Swellegant said:
And now assume that you're a prehistoric man who has no written language, no concept of the world outside of his own immediate area, no real way of remembering the past or imagining the future... how is that person going to make up a thing that doesn't exist? And then pray to it? I don't think it can be done.
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What a gross misunderstanding of prehistoric man--we have no reason to believe that their brains were functionally any different from ours, capable of the same vivid imagination. If anything, ignorance and isolation should have fueled the creation of myths to explain the incomprehensible world around them, not inhibited it as you've suggested.

And prehistoric peoples most certainly did have a way of remembering the past: the oral tradition.
 
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