Double Standard. "Looking" cancelled. "Orange is the new Black" renewed for fouth season.

[borg69unimatrix]

But I don't think I want to watch OITNB because it's about prison, drugs and female inmates and I have absolute no interest in those stuffs.

I didn't think I'd like Orange for the same reasons... But I gave it a shot anyway, and I'm totally hooked on it. I enjoy the characters, the character development, the intrigue, the changing alliances, the double crosses, the inmate/prison guards relationships, ... It really is a great show.

 

[travis82]

I didn't think I'd like Orange for the same reasons... But I gave it a shot anyway, and I'm totally hooked on it. I enjoy the characters, the character development, the intrigue, the changing alliances, the double crosses, the inmate/prison guards relationships, ... It really is a great show.

Okay, maybe I should give it a chance.

 

[Ontariobear]

No Double Standard at all.

HBO is a business, Businesses like to make money. Ratings tell the network which shows are making money for them. OITNW earned ratings to make them profitable, Looking didn't.

So have a heated debate about the issues on the shows, but the bottom line of the financial statement is totally impartial.

 

[Kahaih]

I didn't think I'd like Orange for the same reasons... But I gave it a shot anyway, and I'm totally hooked on it. I enjoy the characters, the character development, the intrigue, the changing alliances, the double crosses, the inmate/prison guards relationships, ... It really is a great show.

I think JUBbers should watch the show very closely, then, to see how many of the story lines come directly from JUB's Hot Topics. Those thieves . . .

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[borg69unimatrix]

Okay, maybe I should give it a chance.

Like most shows, it doesn't really start picking up until the second season or so. I thought the first season was kinda slow to develop... but hang in there and give it a chance. Kate Mulgrew is fantastic!

 

[luckynumbah7]

Two women kissing and making out is hot to everybody. But when two men kiss and make out, it's considered disgusting.

Not to other women they're not. More'n half the population's opinion matters and women aren't bunnies and cuddles when they loath something.

 

[TheLoveableLoner]

Lesbians are definitely lot more widely accepted than gay men. Why? Straight plebs who think "DYKES R HAWT BUTT FAGITS R GROS ND I HAYT DEM".

That doesn't make lesbians more accepted, that makes "lesbian" activity more fashionable in porn and at frat parties.

Ask any woman in an actual lesbian relationship or starting a family with one of her sexuality is more embraced by friends and neighbors, and she'll tell you differently.

 

[Taralen]

I also don't like OITNB because you can't make a prison television setting into a comedic effect. You can make a hour and a half movie about it, but not a TV series. With someone who suffers from mental issues similar to that of Crazy Eyes, I don't find it funny how they are using it as a comedy value.

Again not saying it isn't a good show, because it is. I just don't like it and I tried it out.

But I understand why the OP is wondering why OITNB is still being produced and Looking isn't, as it is mainly a lesbian induced storyline whether people want to agree or not. Yeah there are side characters and shit, but it's a lesbian show.

And I was just telling him that Hollywood at the moment is more accepting of lesbian themes than gay mostly due to society and how male homosexuality and female sexuality are two different entities. I do like how Lee Daniels and people like that are saying fuck the critics and showing what they want. It's a risk that could be six one way, and half a dozen the other.

So just to be frank, OITNB is also just a better show all around that's why it's still on.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

So sick and tired of this.

Gay dramas "Looking" gets cancelled after season 2 while "Orange is the new Black" lesbian drama gets a fourth season.


Why?

Because you have no idea what you're talking about, your argument, such as it is, is already invalidated.

Why so many people thought best to counter what was already invalid is beyond me, but your moronic post signifies what is wrong with some gay guys - they can't see the bigger picture because they never try to in the first fucking place.

But, to beat this horse further(I like my burgers tender, thank you), Looking fucking sucked, and Orange is the New Black is not a lesbian drama - that's like saying Gotham is a lesbian drama because there was a lesbian couple on there for all of two episodes.

Try being less of a dolt, for hells' sake.

 

[arpeggi]

None of this is an actual valid criticism of any tv show. Something being accessible, or not subtle, being a comedy, etc has nothing to do with being a bad show. I will second the notion that this just comes off as pretentious.

It wasn't meant to be a critique of either show. It's about one show being cancelled and having poor ratings and another being quite popular and getting a third season. If you don't think reasons I listed in my post are factors than I think you're missing the point.

 

[Vitamin]

It wasn't meant to be a critique of either show. It's about one show being cancelled and having poor ratings and another being quite popular and getting a third season. If you don't think reasons I listed in my post are factors than I think you're missing the point.

A point which Orphan Black easily refutes.

 

[arpeggi]

I think a better rant would be why HBO chose to renew "Girls" over "Looking". Seriously, "Girls" has been on for years now, has a completely uninteresting protagonist, and the ratings are just as abysmal as Looking's. Why continue to air a failed show that doesn't even have enough of a fan base to buy an autobiography of it's protagonist? Give a new show a chance.

Because Lena Dunham says and does provocative things that get press and social media attention.

I think Luverne Cox is essential in understanding the success of OITNB. Looking doesn't really have a celebrity or figure that generates buzz, like Cox or Dunham. I was baffled, once I started watching, to see that her character plays a much smaller part than the media suggests.

 

[arpeggi]

A point which Orphan Black easily refutes.

I'm guessing you didn't read the previous comments.

 

[Vitamin]

I'm guessing you didn't read the previous comments.

I'm guessing you didn't notice where I already commented on the previous comments. OITB and Orphan Black are completely different shows. OB is very much a LGBTC drama(with an emphasis on the "C" )where Felix's homosexuality is celebrated by far more than Cassiana's.

Now hurry up chicken, and get streaming. The first two episodes of Season 3 air on BBC America this Saturday starting at 8pm Eastern.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/orphan-black/where-to-watch-orphan-black/

 

[arpeggi]

I'm guessing you didn't notice where I already commented on the previous comments. OITB and Orphan Black are completely different shows. OB is very much a LGBTC drama(with an emphasis on the "C" )where Felix's homosexuality is celebrated by far more than Cassiana's.

Now hurry up chicken, and get streaming. The first two episodes of Season 3 air on BBC America this Saturday starting at 8pm Eastern.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/orphan-black/where-to-watch-orphan-black/

I'm all caught up on Orphan Black. Thanks. Still proves my point that there are multiple factors leading to a program's ratings and even more leading to its success or downfall.

Even if Orphan Black does have poor ratings, I'm not sure that says much relative to its network.

 

[Vitamin]

Re: Double Standard. "Looking" cancelled. "Orange is the new Black" renewed for fouth season.

I'm all caught up on Orphan Black. Thanks. Still proves my point that there are multiple factors leading to a program's ratings and even more leading to its success or downfall.

Even if Orphan Black does have poor ratings, I'm not sure that says much relative to its network.

Orphan Black has poor ratings? It's the second most watched program on BBC America.

And since when was this thread trying to establish that there are many factors to a shows success in the ratings? You spent the entire first page of this thread bitching that lesbianism is shown more on TV because gay sex doesn't get any ratings, and then when faced with reality you suddenly feel the need to pretend you said something else entirely. Go figure.

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I'm all caught up on Orphan Black. Thanks. Still proves my point that there are multiple factors leading to a program's ratings and even more leading to its success or downfall.

Even if Orphan Black does have poor ratings, I'm not sure that says much relative to its network.

Orphan Black has poor ratings? It's the second most watched program on BBC America.

And since when was this thread trying to establish that there are many factors to a shows success in the ratings? You spent the entire first page of this thread bitching that lesbianism is shown more on TV because gay sex doesn't get any ratings, and then when faced with reality you suddenly feel the need to pretend you said something else entirely. Go figure.

 

[arpeggi]

I don't know anything about Orphan Black's ratings. I was going off of your comment, which led me to believe they were low. If that's not the case than I really have no idea what you meant by it refuting anything.

Also I said nothing about lesbianism at any point. That was someone else.

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're drunk.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I don't know anything about Orphan Black's ratings. I was going off of your comment, which led me to believe they were low. If that's not the case than I really have no idea what you meant by it refuting anything.

Also I said nothing about lesbianism at any point. That was someone else.

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're drunk.

Christ, he's saying that Orphan Black is popular and that they have a gay male character that's also quite popular. Which throws your theory on why 'Looking" was cancelled off a smidgen, as random gay-for-women fluff is what was mentioned as acceptable - which isn't Orphan Black, unless I'm mistaking Vitamin's postings. Which I doubt, but if I am I'm sure he'll say.

Now me, I'd like some concrete and thought-out examples instead of some random negative adjectives attached to OITNB on why the show is, apparently, shite. No one's arguing that there isn't multiple factors to a show's popularity, but I think quite a few of us would like to know what those apparently both indescribably shallow and yet also incredibly popular factors are. As specific examples. Comedy is a genre, so can't really list that unless you're aiming for a particular type, a la Adam Sandler and his ....'jokes', but OITNB doesn't have that, from what little I've seen.

So, actual examples please?

 

[luckynumbah7]

^Examples as I'm not terribly familiar with either show. I don't critique things I haven't watched tho I'm a glutton for reading examples to back up opinions.

 

[nafhoosier]

If anyone wants Looking back, plan to pay for it yourselves because there is no justifiable reason for HBO to renew it. It had awful ratings and was not popular at all.

Orange is the New Black is very popular and is a much better show (and also a great book).

No double standards, just basic business.