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Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be macho!

Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

I don't approve of cheating on your spouse at all. If you wanna bang other people, break it off with your mate instead of going behind her back and possibly giving her an STD.
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

Man-crush is a harmless way of proclaiming and protecting a hetero guy's masculinity. It's not severe, but used in a more joking manner.

In terms of down low, more and more, I'm starting to understand both sides. But the down low lifestyle I'm referring to is purely sexual. There's plenty of guys who have a mental and emotional connection with other guys and it's not sexual. Male friends of mine (straight, gay, bi) have this connection with me and we don't want sex.

Down low men can be attracted to males only sexually, closeted bisexual, or homosexuals. But once there's emotional AND sexual attraction, he's not straight.

These men don't want the stigma or label of being openly bisexual or homosexual, which to me is cowardice and fear. What goes wrong with the down low lifestyle is being in a committed relationship (dating or marriage) to a female and they are having sex with men. Whether it's unprotected or not, it's betrayal and adultery. That woman (like most women I know) wants a faithful, heterosexual man and it's wrong to cheat on her with a woman, but even worse with a man, because you've hidden your preference or true sexual desires from her.
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

I think you're making a few unfair assumptions. You're assuming that this hypothetical male is attracted to all men, but doesn't want doesn't want to admit to it because he doesn't know how to cope with the label of homosexual or bisexual.

I never said that every male who states that he has a man-crush is attracted to all men. If he has only been attracted to a few men in his life, that still does not change the fact that he is attracted to them. Man-crush or crush is not going to change the fact that he has had some underlying attractions. That is my point.

Well what if this man isn't attracted to men in general?

In this instance, he is still attracted to some men, therefore he is bisexual. He does not have to be equally attracted to both.

What if the attraction isn't physical?

In this case, it would depend on how the way in which the guy is attracted to the other man.

What if the attraction is purely on an emotional or intellectual plane? What if sexuality doesn't even play a part in said attraction? And even then, may not be all that serious to begin with.

If there is no sexuality involved, then it would not be a crush. It is understandable that people have connections with each other, without any sexuality coming into play.

What about the guys who have always been kind of curious in the back of their minds, but were never driven to experiment? A guy caught there eye for a second; the interest is kind of there, but they're perfectly content and happy with a heterosexual lifestyle and are never tempted to try it. Are they still to be labeled as bisexual, even though behaviorally, they're completely hetero?

Now, we are beginning to deviate from the main topic. I am trying to stay within the realm of crushes. I am not discussing the guy who second guessed himself for a second or a minute. In addition, behavioral sexuality does not necessarily translate to one's true sexuality. If there is no temptation, then the man is heterosexual. A passing thought is different than an attraction.

What about those guys who have experimented in the past only to find out that any homosexual behavior wasn't for them? Should they be forever labeled a bisexual because they've had only a handful of sexual encounters with another man just so that they could make up their mind?

It would depend on whether or not these men are attracted to members of the same sex. Behavior, or lack thereof, does not equate to attractions. They are two separate issue.

Does that mean that all these men, for the sake of not being self-hypocritical, should mark "bisexual" in the orientation field even though outwardly, they live a perfectly legitimate heterosexual lifestyle?

Personally, it is not so much the label as it is owning up to same-sex attractions. I have talked to quite a few people who live heterosexual lifestyles, but these same people have admitted that they are attracted to members of the same sex. A few of those same people have admitted that they do not mention their attractions because they do not want to be thought of as gay. However, they were also attracted to members of the opposite sex as well.

My point is that there are many people in this world who cannot admit that they are attracted to members of the same sex to avoid dealing with the stigma of homosexuality. I am not stating that all of these people are 100% homosexuals either; I am saying that there is unspoken attraction to members of the same sex, which drives them, but they ignore or repress it. It could be one person to whom they are attracted or hundreds, but the attractions exist.

Where exactly are we drawing the line here as far as labeling one's self a certain orientation? Because if even the slightest stray thought about a homosexual encounter is enough to brand you at least a bisexual, then according to you, almost all males (or females for that matter) are living a lie.

That's a blanket statement if I've ever heard one.

Personally, I am not in the camp who believes that sexual behavior translates to sexuality. However, I do believe that if there is an ability to be stimulated by and/or physically attracted to members of the same-sex, then there is some level of bisexuality.

This includes people who may have experimented, but did not like it in reality. Sometimes, the fantasy does not match reality, but that does not change someone's feelings, if they are present. Of course, I also believe that bisexuality is common with heterosexuality, homosexuality, and asexuality being major extremes (even though there are more types of sexuality).

Let me know if I am being coherent.(*8*)I think I am starting to have a man-crush on you.
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

I've never considered a "man crush" to truly have anything to do with an actual crush. I think it's a way for a guy to say he admires or really appreciates a person. I don't think it really has anything to do with sexuality.
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

Yes, but saying 'man crush' is a macho way of putting what it REALLY is, a fascination with another man, for whatever reason. And a fascination for another man in a homophobic world must be mitigated by saying 'man crush'.

'Man crush' also has a humorous tone to it. People use humor many times to soften a blow. Using humor here softens the reality. And being fascinated with another man in a homophobic world is a harsh reality.

So they mitigate it by "joking" around and saying "I have a man crush on..."
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

Yes, but saying 'man crush' is a macho way of putting what it REALLY is, a fascination with another man, for whatever reason. And a fascination for another man in a homophobic world must be mitigated by saying 'man crush'.

'Man crush' also has a humorous tone to it. People use humor many times to soften a blow. Using humor here softens the reality. And being fascinated with another man in a homophobic world is a harsh reality.

So they mitigate it by "joking" around and saying "I have a man crush on..."

what about gay guys who develop "crushes" on chicks?
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

Works both gays. I'm 100% gay but I've had a crush on Vanessa Williams (ugly betty) since I was a kid. A crush MAY imply a physical attraction or it may just be giving someone props for being fly. A guy having a "man-crush" might mean he's attracted to men, or it might mean he just recognizes people who got game.

lol...i used to have an odd fascination with the OTHER Vanessa Williams...especially when she used the Jamaican accent on the Cosby Show

and to this day i'm kinda obsessed with Vanessa Marcil (General Hospital, Las Vegas)...we even have the same taste in men (Tyler Christopher, Brian Austin Green, Carmine Giovinazzo)
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

I thought I was your taste in men but whatever.

*inserts butt-plug to deny willsboy access to goodies*

i can't have all 4 of ya'll? you know i'm greedy like that!!!
damn...just thinkin about all that hot man-meat
i gotta take a moment....
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

I read in Star Magazine that you're really a woman and ur penis is prosthetic!:wink: Star Magazine wouldn't lie to me would they?:wink: And they ARE entitled to their opinion.:wink:

so that really WAS a photographer outside my bedroom window the other hight...thought i was just trippin'!!! guess it's a good thing you're probably the only person alive who reads Star Magazine. and i'm sure i can trust you not to tell nobody else

the freaks on this board don't count...compared to quite a few of them, i have NOTHING to be ashamed of!!!!
 
Re: Down Low Pisses Me Off. Don't try and be mach

I just hate when everyone thinks all gay men want to be a woman or are femme. I don't blame the DownLow guys wanting to be in the closet.

THANK YOU. this is so true. just because i'm gay doesn't mean i'm some effeminate woman wannabe. i'm still a man. i'm strong, i'm tough, i'm athletic and masculine - just at the end of the day, i sleep with dudes and not chicks.

i hate it when gay men use their sexuality to define who they are.
 
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