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[gsdx]

Real hate speech is more than this. This is just a reason to rant.

Just a comment. Canada's 'hate speech' law has taken a lot of flack in this forum with people calling it an affront to free speech and referring to it as censorship. Phil's comments would not qualify as 'hate speech'. However, if spoken by a public figure, an apology would probably be in order, especially if spoken by a political figure.

 

[Alnitak]

First, I'm willing to bet there's some overlap in those two groups. A lot of overlap.

But I get where you're coming from. As soon as someone becoems a celebrity, or any kind of image/icon which people might listen to, we should just lobotomize them all so they can't HAVE opinions. Avoid the whole debacle before it begins right?

I'm all for mind control, and having the government take charge. We might wanna get on this fast though, or the other side might beat us to it... then who knows, maybe OUR opinions will be the illegal ones.

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.

 

[ravenstar]

I'm getting a bit tired of being told how intolerant I am for not accepting people who say horrible things about me.

Lex

This sums it up perfectly. I'm really over people who say horrible things, and get shot down for it then whinging about being oppressed. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to say I think you're a moron.

 

[gsdx]

I'm really over people who say horrible things, and get shot down for it then whinging about being oppressed.

Especially when they hide behind the Bible. Unfortunately, they will never see their own hypocrisy.

 

[carey579]

Is saying a homophobic comment the new thing in promoting yourself or your show?

This fucktard knew what the consequences would be and now we are all infuriated and talking about him and he'll be back in the show in January with more audience

 

[gsdx]

Thanks for clarifying, Neil.

Here, their party just makes them resign.

We've had a few of those as well. Homosexuality isn't usually an issue. It's more one politician using another politician's race against them. They're brought to task for their words.

 

[Musik2400]

Stop It! This is NOT about free speech...he has complete free speech and the government doesn't say jack shit about it.

I support free speech 100% and that includes the free speech for the people who are calling him on the carpet. You can't have one without the other. This man is NOT a victim.

I am still more shocked at his comments about black people being "happy" picking cotton as if he can speak for an entire race because he saw someone singing....WTF??????

Nor did I call him a victim. Just ignorant. Sometimes that can only be helped so much.

See, thing is he doesn't "just want us all to go to heaven" the preachers who want that are very different kinds of Christians. This guy wants to FEEL superior, above, holier, etc.

It doesn't matter how many gay people he hurts or how many offended happy darkies there are a'singin' in the cotton fields (Do what ya want, jus pleeze doan throw me in dat dere Briar Patch!), the goal is to inflate himself.

And he's gonna get there by pissing on you.

And by gays he hurts, you mean offend right? Because the thought that the personal opinion of some reality tv icon who's wholly unaware of our existences on this planet, could cause actual pain is a bit laughable. To me it reads: work on your self worth. Aside from that, his need to feel superior affects us in no way, so why should it bother us so much.

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.

Keyword of this post being open. And of course the racists in 1970 didn't suddenly come to their senses.... that's why we still have plenty of them today. And personally I don't think they've been too 'silenced'. Did you know you can apply to become a Klan member online? They actually have their own website... Damn good thing we prohibited all those racist opinions 40 years ago.

I'm not saying anyone needs to like what he said, or him for that matter. I just think we also don't need to care so much.

 

[Vitamin]

Nor did I call him a victim. Just ignorant. Sometimes that can only be helped so much.

See, that's just the thing. Phil Robertson isn't the ignoramus he pretends to be. He actually has a masters degree. As a matter of fact he's something of a college football legend since Terry Bradshaw played second to him. He turned down an offer to play for the Washington Redskins because according to him he wanted to hunt instead of play football.

I'm not saying anyone needs to like what he said, or him for that matter. I just think we also don't need to care so much.

This would be a decent point--if he wasn't on TV. I know it's starting to become exhausting, all the debating we do about who does and who doesn't get on television, but it's not pointless. Some opinions are just too extreme, or ridiculously outdated, to be legitimized even in our society.

What's truly shocking about all this is that it's starting to look more and more like Phil Robertson will return to Duck Dynasty, not in spite of his homophobic comments, but in spite of his racist ones. Since when did saying blacks were happy under Jim Crow, even if you were there, become acceptable as long as you also make homophobic comments? This is shocking. I've never seen such blatant expression of racism by a public figure be completely ignored by the media. I never thought I ever would.

Because the show wasn't really designed to appeal to the gay community a lot of us have never heard of it, and we might be tempted to think it doesn't matter. Duck Dynasty is the most popular show on cable television. It has the highest ratings of any reality TV show ever. This shit matters. It reaches a lot people. Now homophobia and racism have been legitimized by the shows patriarch and the combined forces of gay rights and African American rights are powerless to stop it. This is a disaster for both of our interests.

 

[Draven]

Are people still talking about this twat? He stated an opinion which was not in favor of homosexuals. So what, it's still an opinion. It doesn't mean that any of us have to abide by his (narrow) way of thinking, but then again in 2013 having an opinion that goes against the tide is pretty much asking for the modern day equivalent of a witch-trial. Just ignore the twat and don't make him anymore popular by feeding into his remarks.

 

[Kulindahr]

If it was me ...I would leave. Before I left I would calmly tell them what I thought and then leave before I lost my temper. Holding things in isn't something I know how to do very well.

Is there any way you can say what you have to say calmly?

This.

It's really frustrating. I come from a really traditional, conservative family so I can somewhat relate.

But you have to remember that everyone has the right to have their own opinion. You can't force anyone to "like" you. Some people may not like you because you're gay. Other people may not mind that you're gay, but they may not like you for a completely different reason. Heck, a lot of people on JUB don't like me, and it has nothing to do with me being gay.

What he said was very crude, but it was based on his interpretation of the Bible. You have to keep in mind that he probably doesn't know any openly gay men, so to people like him, gay people probably do equal pedophiles. And to his credit he didn't only mention homosexuality, he mentioned a lot of other things he considers "sins" too.

I don't think he should have been "suspended." A&E should have put out a statement saying that they disagree with his views & that they have gay employees, but at the same time, they support his right to his personal religious beliefs.

Of course he has the right to express his beliefs. And it is their right, and privilege, to tell him to go express them somewhere else.

Or they should require him to take Chris Cheng, the Season 4 Champion of the History Channel's Top Shot, on the show at least once a month.

 

[Kulindahr]

btw.....The Better Business Bureau gives Duck Commander an F rating.

With good cause. They know how to make duck calls, but they don't know how to run a business dealing with people.

The gist of the conversation wasn't them defending what he said, it was how horrible the gays were for ruining his career -....

Just in case anyone is interested in the resolution of this sordid and petty little spat - I didn't go home - I'm not leaving and if we have to have that same atmosphere of pins and needles and no one looking at the elephant in the corner - that I survived it when I was coming out - so be it; I'm not running now.

Ruin his career? He could retire right now and never have to work another day in his life.

Good for not running. Family is too valuable to lose unless they walk out.

And I also don't think I've ever seen or heard of a gay person trying to censor religion... To make comparisons between our outrage at pulpit-spewed hatred and the canning of that lowlife is simply absurd.

You must have very selective vision or memory to be able to say that on JUB.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.

And we'll get rid of hidden racism about the time you can't walk down a street in America and see fewer than three skin colors -- in the cities, five or more.

 

[kayman23]

I've been saying this for years on the topic of this idiocy known as "Duck Dynasty", the US is will continue to have a catharsis of its willfully ignorant bigotry. However, this ought to include the domestic LGBTs with covert racial aversion towards their social interactions towards their fellow peers of color (i.e. non-whites).

It seems every since Barack Obama has been a major force on the political scene (circa late 2007), outright racial animus (particularly anti-black American) has been the "in" thing to do in the many colorful and creative ways one can do think of without be tagged a "racist". On homophobia/biphobia/transphobia, this has been continuously "in" since being LGBT still isn't considered "natural" to a number of obtuse morons that refuse to partake in self-awareness of themselves so that is a hopeless faction of society.

 

[Rolyo85]

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.

Quoted for truth! I am totally disgusted by the position of "oh, we are just alienating them that way, we should roll with it and just discuss." Bullshit. NO social change has EVER happened by the minority staying quiet so as not to anger the majority.

 

[Rolyo85]

And by gays he hurts, you mean offend right? Because the thought that the personal opinion of some reality tv icon who's wholly unaware of our existences on this planet, could cause actual pain is a bit laughable. To me it reads: work on your self worth. Aside from that, his need to feel superior affects us in no way, so why should it bother us so much.

What's laughable, is the ignorance exhibited in this post. People with audience who spew hatred openly are catalysts for bigotry that leads to very real emotional and physical abuse. There is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of teen suicides are gay, there is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of homeless kids are gay. If you think that public figures inciting hatred has nothing to do with it, then I envy you your ivory tower.

 

[gsdx]

Since when did A & E represent anything other than crass commercial exploitation?

Since before Dog the Bounty Hunter. There was a time when it was 'artsy' and 'entertaining'. They actually broadcast quality programming. Dog brought an end to that, and when A&E dropped Columbo, Law & Order, Murder She Wrote, and other such programmes to make room for 'reality TV', I stopped watching it. Ditto for TLC.

 

[Kulindahr]

Since before Dog the Bounty Hunter. There was a time when it was 'artsy' and 'entertaining'. They actually broadcast quality programming. Dog brought an end to that, and when A&E dropped Columbo, Law & Order, Murder She Wrote, and other such programmes to make room for 'reality TV', I stopped watching it. Ditto for TLC.

I remember when A&E was a pretty dependable place to switch to when other channels seemed to have nothing on. Now I'd almost rather watch infomercials.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions....

And this good woman got rid of alcoholism. Right minded people shut down the bars and destroyed the freedom to have open alcoholism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Nation

Did she succeed in her quest?

 

[Vitamin]

What utter nonsense.

There are all kinds of "reality" shows on television, featuring the gamut of morons from the Kardashians to Jersey Shore to Survivor. None of them inform us how to live or think. They are the modern day equal of P.T. Barnum's freak shows. Look, a bearded woman. Look, a fat man. Look a dumbass backwards WOP/Coonass/Wal-Mart person.

Shows like Duck Dynasty just pander to the low in people, and the viewers are both low-born and high, and some identify with the characters and some love to look down on them.

There is nothing for the "combined forces" to defeat in such a lame show. "Legitimized" can mean several things -- it could mean tolerated or not banned, or it could mean given a stamp of approval by an authority. Since when did A & E represent anything other than crass commercial exploitation?

For the record, the bigoted views ARE legitimate views within society as they represent a sector. That doesn't make them right. Those in the gay world who talk about hooking up in public restrooms are legitimate in that they represent a certain sector. They can still be very wrong.

"Our interests" are in the truth being out there, and out there in a variety of ways. Gay men are depicted much more accurately today, are seeing a much more accepting attitude from an ever-growing percentage of the population. Having a redneck be the mouthpiece for the the homophobes couldn't be a better windfall for gays and blacks. It is the equal of Ted Nugent on gun control.

Feel free to live in denial if you want, but don't come crying to me in 2016 if Ted Cruz winds up as President.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Please inform us Pat, what is the benefit to society of tolerated, open racism.