Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rape

[star-warrior]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/en_nm/verhoeven_dc;_ylt=ApbMtvepk

Dutch filmmaker claims Jesus a child of rape


By Ab Zagt
REUTERS
The Hollywood Reporter
Wednesday, April 23, 2008


Amsterdam (Hollywood Reporter) - "Basic Instinct" director
Paul Verhoeven will publish a revisionist biography of
Jesus in September, following more than 20 years of
research.

Reuters Photo: Dutch director Paul Verhoeven seen in this file photo in Los Angeles.

Verhoeven will publish a
revisionist biography of Jesus in September, following
more than 20 years of research. (File/FSP/Reuters)


The Dutch filmmaker, who has had a lifelong ambition to
make a film about Jesus based on scientific research,
claims that Jesus' father was probably a Roman soldier who
raped Mary during the Jewish uprising in Galilee. He also
claims that Christ was not betrayed by Judas Iscariot.
Verhoeven decided to write the book to raise interest in
his film project. His publisher, Amsterdam-based
Meulenhoff, is in negotiations for an English-language
translation.



Verhoeven, who turns 70 in July, has been a regular
attendee of U.S. scholar Robert W. Funk's Jesus seminars,
which question miracles and statements attributed to Jesus.


Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

I am curious to learn what this fellow has learnt, and others have failed to learn over the past two thousand years.

One might suppose that this film maker may want to capitalise on the financial success of "The Passion of The Christ" and "The Da Vinci Code." Clearly there is a huge, ready audience waiting to spend their money.

Where there is money to be made, be sure that historical accuracy and faith related beliefs will be the first casualties.

 

[BlueLantern]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

It's possible.

Jesus' imacculate birth would of been more believable if it was Female.

Where'd they Y Chromosome come from? Hmm?

I don't think they care about scientific explanations that much...

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

It's possible.

Jesus' imacculate birth would of been more believable if it was Female.

Where'd they Y Chromosome come from? Hmm?

This is a matter of faith, and not of science. Neither two can be mingled, for the purposes of argument in favour or against, the immaculate conception of Mary.
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[star-warrior]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

It's possible.

Jesus' imacculate birth would of been more believable if it was Female.

Where'd they Y Chromosome come from? Hmm?

This is a matter of faith, and not of science. Neither two can be mingled, for the purposes of argument in favour or against, the immaculate conception of Mary.
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Maybe that's why a plausible explanation based on what we know about human conception and chromosomes makes the story interesting.

As EP said, the Y chromosome can only come from a male sperm.

 

[Ramindra]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

It is easy to make any claim you like when you know darn well that it cannot be scientifically or even reasonably disputed. I think the crux of the articles lies in the articles comment..."Verhoeven decided to write the book to raise interest in
his film project." Looks like a bit like a marketing ploy.

I see $$$$$$$$$$$$s involved.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

Maybe that's why a plausible explanation based on what we know about human conception and chromosomes makes the story interesting.

As EP said, the Y chromosome can only come from a male sperm.

The immaculate conception of Mary cannot be rationalised by science, in order to provide an answer that will satisfy human reasoning.

Either the faithful person accepts this supernatural phenomenon in faith, or not at all.

To argue that the Y ch. only comes from the male sperm, is to minimise the matter to that which is purely a biological consideration.

The person of faith believes that human reasoning is limited by the senses. Whereas faith in The Creator enables the faithful person to reach beyond the parameters that limit the vision of the human senses.

When we attempt to rationalise the apparent illogicality of such a phenomenon, we end up in a cul de sac.
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[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

I'd say that's a little ignorant and blindsided. But if you say so.

Perhaps you would explain why you believe so.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

So is the movie called "Jesus: Skinny Bastard?"

Or wait.. bastard child of rapists...

Is this the new Freddie Kruger movie?

 

[star-warrior]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

Maybe that's why a plausible explanation based on what we know about human conception and chromosomes makes the story interesting.

As EP said, the Y chromosome can only come from a male sperm.

The immaculate conception of Mary cannot be rationalised by science, in order to provide an answer that will satisfy human reasoning.

Either the faithful person accepts this supernatural phenomenon in faith, or not at all.

To argue that the Y ch. only comes from the male sperm, is to minimise the matter to that which is purely a biological consideration.

The person of faith believes that human reasoning is limited by the senses. Whereas faith in The Creator enables the faithful person to reach beyond the parameters that limit the vision of the human senses.

When we attempt to rationalise the apparent illogicality of such a phenomenon, we end up in a cul de sac.
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If the Y chromosome doesn't come from a male sperm, then, pray tell where does it come from?

Conception is a biological process. Rationalising the birth and conception of Jesus does not end up in a cul-de-sac. It merely says that a human explanation, however disgusting and vile, could be the rational basis of his conception.


All we have are the old words from scripture which wasn't written by Jesus or his mother, but his adherents, his propagandists, his clique or indeed, his disciples and fanatics.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

If the Y chromosome doesn't come from a male sperm, then, pray tell where does it come from?

Conception is a biological process. Rationalising the birth and conception of Jesus does not end up in a cul-de-sac. It merely says that a human explanation, however disgusting and vile, could be the rational basis of his conception.


Then we change the underlying belief that an immaculate conception occurred, to one of seeking a rational explanation through appealing to the intervention of a rapist.

If we seek a rational explanation, it would be much simpler to accept that Joseph impregnated Mary, during the period of their betrothal.

The immaculate conception of Mary cannot be supported or argued from a scientific angle. Either this phenomenon is accepted in faith, or not at all.

 

[star-warrior]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

She was already with child before Joseph came along, if I recall school studies rightly... Anyway, for the mother of the son of God, there seems to be very little about her life in the Bible.

If the immaculate conception is a lie, then Jesus as the son of God is too, as he could be just delusional, and he managed to convince 12 disciples into the bargain as well.

 

[kidwithathorn]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

No offense meant to anyone here, but honestly in this day and age who really gives a damn what had happened 2,000 years ago.

Weather or not she, Mary, was raped is not necessary to know. If she was rape and we get evidence of it...well fine. That's all well and good, but it wont have any affect on me in the least.

If it turns out that some angel touched her inappropriately, and that the christian view on the world is correct, well that's all good too.

I personally don't see a reason as to why a person would spend most of their life wondering about this. It boggles me.

 

[syntax]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

The immaculate conception of Mary cannot be rationalised by science, in order to provide an answer that will satisfy human reasoning.


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Just to be clear, the term "immaculate conception" refers to Mary's conception. That is to say, she was conceived free from original sin. The term "immaculate conception" is usually not applied to the incarnation of God in Jesus and his virgin birth from Mary.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

She was already with child before Joseph came along, if I recall school studies rightly... Anyway, for the mother of the son of God, there seems to be very little about her life in the Bible.

If the immaculate conception is a lie, then Jesus as the son of God is too, as he could be just delusional, and he managed to convince 12 disciples into the bargain as well.

Another matter, for another thread. I believe that I have been transparent enough on the topic under discussion.
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[levenshulme31]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

claims that Jesus' father was probably a Roman soldier who
raped Mary during the Jewish uprising in Galilee.

Wasn't that Brian of Nazareth?

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

No offense meant to anyone here, but honestly in this day and age who really gives a damn what had happened 2,000 years ago.

Weather or not she, Mary, was raped is not necessary to know. If she was rape and we get evidence of it...well fine. That's all well and good, but it wont have any affect on me in the least.

If it turns out that some angel touched her inappropriately, and that the christian view on the world is correct, well that's all good too.

I personally don't see a reason as to why a person would spend most of their life wondering about this. It boggles me.



Apparently this Dutch film maker does. I should imagine that there is a large audience waiting to buy his book. I am sure that the Dutchman will also want to turn the book into a money making movie.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

Wasn't that Brian of Nazareth?

Life of Brian is one of my favourite films, of all time.

Christians need to laugh, at themselves.

 

[star-warrior]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

Whether or not it's good science remains to be seen. But to understand something properly, you must at least have differing perspectives of the time and place, and conditions in which something occured to make your mind up. Recieving something as blind faith requires you to reject all plausible non-supernatural explanations so that you can embrace the supernatural phenomena of immaculate conception. If it can happen 2000 years ago, then immaculate conception could occur today. If a woman nowadays claimed she conceived a male child by immaculate conception today, she'd be either examined by psychologicsts, or social services would move in to investigate.

 

[kallipolis]

Re: Dutch filmmaker claims Hesus is a child of rap

Just to be clear, the "immaculate conception" refers to Mary's conception. That is to say, she was conceived free from original sin. The term "immaculate conception" is usually not applied to the incarnation of God in Jesus and his virgin birth from Mary.

You are correct. I am simply following through on the original post, without wishing to appear pedantic.

I believe that we are well aware of the matter, under discussion.