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Early Election 2016 Prediction: Democrats Will Win Presidency for 3rd Consecutive Cycle

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When facing a scheduled United States presidential election, the question that I tend to ask is, "What is going on with the country and its people?"


In 2008, Republican president George W. Bush's job-approval percentage was in the 20s and 30 range. He never reached 40 percent after the midterm wave elections, in 2006, which delivered pickups of both houses of Congress to the opposition Democratic Party. On a November 2007 ABC News, host Charlie Gibson had a brief discussion with George Stephanopoulos who said, "The tide of history is against them [the Republicans]," furthermore offering that he had talked with congressional Republicans who said, "[2008] is theirs [Democrats] to lose."

In that election of 2008, the Democrats had approximately a 10-point shift of the U.S. Popular Vote, from the 2.46 percentage points by which a 2004 John Kerry had lost, and Barack Obama flipped the presidency with winning the U.S. Popular Vote by 7.26 percentage points along with—after John Kerry's 19 states plus District of Columbia and an electoral-vote score of 252/251 (faithless elector)—carriage of 28 states plus Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District (area of Omaha) and District of Columbia for 365 electoral votes.

Here in 2016, it would seem like the Republicans should win a pickup of the presidency due to the fact that a party trying to win a third consecutive election cycle—especially after the second consecutive one won by a two-term president—historically tends to underperform. When Franklin Roosevelt won a third term in 1940, he underperformed his 1936 blowout (in which he won 46 of 48 states). 1944 was an underperformance as well of 1940. The only same-party, third consecutive win, following two terms won by one president, was in 1904 for Teddy Roosevelt who overperformed the 1900 re-election of William McKinley. Now, for another third cycle in which that winner overperformed the second-cycle results, one can look to 1928 and Herbert Hoover, who overperformed the 1924 full-term election of Calvin Coolidge. (Hoover didn't overperform Coolidge with the percentage margin in the U.S. Popular Vote. Hoover overperformed Coolidge with percentage of states carried.)


What is going on with 2016?

So far in these primaries, we have one party—the Republican Party—looking like their voters are saying "Fuck you!" to the insiders. In the other party—the Democratic Party—there is a divide on selecting a preferred candidate with regard for direction of the party and on some bold policies.

With that kind of display, one might think the perceived frontrunners—Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton—don't have strong advantages, for either party, with this year's general election; that they are both very unpopular with the voting electorate.


I think what breaks this open has one harkening back to past voting patterns.

According to the likes of Stuart Rothenberg of The Rothenberg Report and Larry Sabato from University of Virginia Center of Politics (Crystal Ball), the Republican majority in the U.S. Senate is in jeopardy as they are in position to potentially lose control to what could become a pickup for the Democrats.

In asking myself, here on March 20, 2016, which party will win the White House…that alone is enough to tell me the likely outcome will be a third consecutive presidential election won by the Democratic Party (and their nominee).

Since the 17th Amendment of the 1910s allowed for states' electorates to vote for their United States senators, there have been four elections in which one or both houses of Congress flipped party control in a presidential year: 1932, 1948, 1952, and 1980. In all cases, the party that won a pickup of the U.S. House and/or U.S. Senate was the one which also prevailed in the presidential contest. In 1932, the Democrats won pickups for both President (Franklin Roosevelt) and U.S. Senate. In 1948, the Democrats won a hold of the White House (Harry Truman) and pickups with both the U.S. House and U.S. Senate. In 1952, Republicans won pickups on all three counts including President (Dwight Eisenhower). In 1980, the Republicans won pickups for President (Ronald Reagan) and U.S. Senate.

Whether or not one agrees with such outcomes, there is a logic to this. It is against historical voting pattern to predict a 2016 Republican pickup of the presidency and a 2016 Democratic pickup of the U.S. Senate. For them to be in opposite-party columns, the result would be a status quo: President, for the Democrats; U.S. Senate, for the Republicans. So, here in 2016, and strictly between President and U.S. Senate, if one of them flips then we can expect the other one retains.

Public Policy Polling, earlier this month, reported that up to eight incumbent Republican-held U.S. Senate seats were vulnerable.
New Public Policy Polling surveys in Arizona, Iowa, Missouri, and North Carolina find that voter anger over their Republican Senators’ unwillingness to consider a replacement for Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court could help make those seats competitive for Democrats this fall.
Key findings from the surveys include:

-All these Senators start out with pretty mediocre approval ratings. [Arizona's] John McCain’s approval is a 26/63 spread, [Missouri's] Roy Blunt’s is 25/48, and [North Carolina's] Richard Burr’s is 28/44. Only [Iowa's] Chuck Grassley within this group is on positive ground and his 47/44 spread is down considerably from what we usually find for him as he loses crossover support from Democrats because of his intransigence on the Supreme Court issue. Further making life difficult for this quartet is the incredibly damaged brand of Senate Republicans. Mitch McConnell is vastly unpopular in these four states, coming in at 11/63 in Iowa, 16/68 in Arizona, 16/69 in Missouri, and 19/65 in North Carolina. McConnell will be an albatross for all Senate Republicans seeking reelection this fall.



Our surveys last week found that voters were angry over the Supreme Court issue in New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin and might punish Kelly Ayotte, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, and Ron Johnson for it this fall. Those have always been seen as toss up Senate races. But this newest set of polls shows that even in more Republican leaning states like Arizona, Iowa, Missouri, and North Carolina voters are still angry over the obstructionism John McCain, Chuck Grassley, Roy Blunt, and Richard Burr are showing on this issue. That—combined with the increasing specter of Republicans nominating Donald Trump—could help put these seats on the board for Democrats this fall as well.


One thing that needs to be mentioned is this. There is a ninth state. It is Illinois. Republican Mark Kirk won a pickup of the U.S. Senate seat, in 2010, which was held by Barack Obama from his 2004 election and for the remaining two years after he was elected the 44th president of the United States on November 4, 2008. This is particularly important. That is because Illinois has not carried for Republican to win a seat in the U.S. Senate in a presidential year since Charles Percy won with Richard Nixon's 49-state re-election in 1972. 1980 [Alan Dixon], 1984 [Paul Simon, who unseated Percy], 1992 [Carol Mosley Braun, the only African-American woman in U.S. Senate history!], 1996 [the first term for Dick Durbin], 2004 [Barack Obama], and 2008 [the third term for Durbin] were Democratic wins; and those 1972 to 1988 election cycles in Illinois were with Republican presidential carriage of the state for Nixon, Gerald Ford (1976), Ronald Reagan (1980, 1984), and George Bush (1988).

The Democrats need to net five pickups of Republican-held seats to flip control of the U.S. Senate. If it happens for them, they're likely to prevail in Illinois, Wisconsin (same-party carriage, President/U.S. Senate, since 1976), "Blue Firewall" state Pennsylvania, Ohio (same-party carriage, President/U.S. Senate, since 1992), North Carolina (same-party carriage, President/U.S. Senate, since 1972), as well as New Hampshire and Florida. Iowa and Arizona would be tougher. But, that's seven states in good position, two more with an incredible wave, which would sufficiently deliver a majority-control pickup of the U.S. Senate should that be the 2016 will of the people if they favor the Democrats.


The point of all this is simple: A Republican pickup of the presidency should not include this potential of the party, which already has majority control of the U.S. Senate, potentially losing that upper chamber of Congress.

This is reason enough, if asking oneself which party will likely win for President here in 2016, why I would not predict the Republican Party to win a pickup. It is reason enough to predict a Democratic hold. And if that happens, it would be a third consecutive election cycle. If you look at realigning presidential elections—1800 (Democratic-Republican), 1828 (Democratic), 1860 (Republican), 1896 (Republican), 1932 (Democratic), 1968 (Republican)—the presidential minority party was never able to stop the presidential majority party from having an occurrence of winning three consecutive election cycles. The 1800–1824 Democratic Republican party won all seven cycles. The 1828–1856 Democratic Party won three consecutives (1828, 1832, 1836). The 1860–1892 Republican Party won six consecutive cycles (1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, 1876, 1880). The 1896–1928 Republican Party won four (1896, 1900, 1904, 1908) and three (1920, 1924, 1928) consecutive cycles. The 1932–1964 Democratic Party won all five cycles (1932, 1936, 1940, 1944, 1948) from their first two decades of dominance. The 1968–2004 Republican Party won the three consecutive cycles of the 1980s.


It is also worth noting that the Republican Party, currently with the controversies over Donald Trump as their frontrunner, may be a poised for a disastrous run here in 2016. If they end up with a convention that is "brokered"; if they end up with a convention which angers their self-identified Republican voters; one can also look to the past voting patterns of other 20th-century elections like 1912, 1964, and 1968. In each case, the party which was in turmoil ended up having lost. Decisively.
 
Well at this stage Five Thirty Eight indicates that Hillary would win it.

And Nate Silver also sees the possibility of the Dems flipping the Senate.

But it is a long time until November.

Having said this, 2016 was the Republicans to lose. And they seemed determined to. Alienating core demographic groups and unleashing the worst slate of hacks for the GOP leadership have effectively sealed their fate this year.

Ending up with a certifiable narcissistic sociopath as their candidate can only drive the sane, moderate economically conservative swing voters over to the Dems.
 
Having said this, 2016 was the Republicans to lose. And they seemed determined to. Alienating core demographic groups and unleashing the worst slate of hacks for the GOP leadership have effectively sealed their fate this year.

Brief, and accurately expressed.
 
I am not optomistic for the GOP or the future of our democracy. Candidates know that they and their families will be demonized, so only fringe egomaniacs are willing to try. I would not so characterize Kasich, but he entered late and took the wrong side of the invasion problem. But , as I have pointed out the democrat's seeming indifference to internal Muslim terrorists makes them vulnerable. Any terrorist incident will help Trump and hurt the dems. No I don't want it to happen and I hate that we are bringing in thousands of Muslims--as I oppose immigration generally.
 
^ A world of difference.

And of course...as has been pointed out...immigration from Mexico is now negative or zero.

It is all just smoke and mirrors while the kleptocratic oligarchy rob the country blind.
 
Well at this stage Five Thirty Eight indicates that Hillary would win it.

And Nate Silver also sees the possibility of the Dems flipping the Senate.

But it is a long time until November.
This is also before the Kochsucker media accept the nearly $1 BILLION, and run whatever ads, fake documentaries, etc. that all of that money buys for them.
 
This is also before the Kochsucker media accept the nearly $1 BILLION, and run whatever ads, fake documentaries, etc. that all of that money buys for them.

Where did you get the billion figure? Meanwhile your Soros is spending millions to stir up riots in the street.
 
This is also before the Kochsucker media accept the nearly $1 BILLION, and run whatever ads, fake documentaries, etc. that all of that money buys for them.

Not to worry.

George Soros and Co. will be spending the equivalent.

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Where did you get the billion figure? Meanwhile your Soros is spending millions to stir up riots in the street.

The difference is that Soros is on the side of the angels.
 
Where did you get the billion figure? Meanwhile your Soros is spending millions to stir up riots in the street.
Koch Brothers’ Budget of $889 Million for 2016 Is on Par With Both Parties’ Spending
The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalleled effort by coordinated outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

The spending goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican Parties. It would require a significant financial commitment from the Kochs and roughly 300 other donors they have recruited over the years, and covers both the presidential and congressional races. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
NYT

As for Soros, put up or shut up.
 
Koch Brothers’ Budget of $889 Million for 2016 Is on Par With Both Parties’ Spending
NYT

As for Soros, put up or shut up.

Liberal sources are not going to report the extent of Soros donations,especially to street protests>riots. Only conservative sources, on your list of forbidden works will try. Here is quick installment of 6 million to Hillary.http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-george-soros-218494
Your own source refutes your claim about Kochs. 300 donors are involved.
 
I would be willing to tolerate 4 years of Trump if it helps send a long term message to the DNC about how they handled this election cycle between Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's rigging of the debate schedule, Harry Reid calling in last minute favors in Nevada, the media cheerleading for Hillary, etc.

Trump would govern as a Moderate, as would Hillary. Each have their hot-button issues with Hillary being more Bush-like on Foreign policy (something I thought Democrats were against, but that rule doesn't apply if it is a woman running for the nomination evidently), and Trump will of course be illegal immigration.

Black turnout won't be as strong this year for the obvious reasons (which is just as shameful as woman and Gay men frankly voting for a candidate because of having female genitalia ... beyond embarrassing to this country). There will be defectors from the Sanders camp either going for Jill Stein, voting Trump, or staying home. Republican turnout will be huge against Hillary.

But we will see. Lots of things can happen and combine that with voters looking for a change and their 401K's staying extremely stagnant this past year, I think this race is going to be very close.
 
Democrats have a built in electoral college advantage. Basically, excluding swing states, the Dem nominee will have about 250 out of 270 locked down. GOP will have about 150 locked down. It's all about coalitions in national elections.

This means that the GOP needs to nearly run the table on swing states. OH, FL, NC, NH, IA, CO, PA, and/ VA. Win 'em all.

Hillary only needs to win a couple or a few of them.

That's why the GOP is bent on obstruction and weakening the executive branch. With Trump firing up the Latino vote this thing is already over. Not enough uneducated, pissed off white people to offset the demographics.
 
We're all fucked in the long run though. Jobs go to where labor is cheap. Right now that's SE Asia. Eventually companies will migrate to the middle-east and Africa.

It will be at least 100 years before global income inequality is balanced and real economic competition can occur.
 
We're all fucked in the long run though. Jobs go to where labor is cheap. Right now that's SE Asia. Eventually companies will migrate to the middle-east and Africa.

It will be at least 100 years before global income inequality is balanced and real economic competition can occur.

At the present time China is rapidly buying American corporations. Democrats will be glad to be rid of them but we will miss the jobs.
Inequality is a big bugaboo for dems but it is irrelevant until we do not have it.
 
At the present time China is rapidly buying American corporations. Democrats will be glad to be rid of them but we will miss the jobs.
Inequality is a big bugaboo for dems but it is irrelevant until we do not have it.

Conservatives were all for trade agreements and the WTO. Even the remaining decent paying jobs in the US are in trouble. Companies are either off-shoring or breaking down complex tasks in order to use unskilled labor instead (process engineering).

Protectionism will just trigger a trade war. The only check is to ensure there's a big, beautiful safety net. Maybe another war that destroys Europe and Asia would help.
 
Black turnout won't be as strong this year for the obvious reasons (which is just as shameful as woman and Gay men frankly voting for a candidate because of having female genitalia ... beyond embarrassing to this country). .

What a load of crap...and you keep saying it. Do you think if you say it enough times it becomes the truth?

If it is just about "the woman"...why didn't she win in 2008?

...and I dare you to find a single Hillary voter who would ever vote for Sarah Palin...or Michelle Bachmann...or Carly Fiorina. They have "female genitalia".

We have two good candidates...and one is a woman. I am glad one is a woman ...but that is not why I am voting for her. I wanted Dennis Kucinich in 2008...and I don't think he has a vagina....but since you are so much more aware of my motivations than I am..maybe he does have one. You might want to investigate.

...and what are the "obvious reasons" that black voters won't turn out?

BTW....Do you find it "embarrassing for our country" that so many white people vote strictly for white people?

Probably not.
 
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Well, go after Drumpf, the Koch bros, Tyson and other corporations that hire them. Hell, one company sends a bus across the border to pick up workers and brings them back. It's not welfare or the "safety net". It's large corporations that hire them. That program about the busing can be found on the PBS site. I think it was Frontline that did the story.
 
What a load of crap...and you keep saying it. Do you think if you say it enough times it becomes the truth?

If it is just about "the woman"...why didn't she win in 2008?

...and I dare you to find a single Hillary voter who would ever vote for Sarah Palin...or Michelle Bachmann...or Carly Fiorina. They have "female genitalia".

We have two good candidates...and one is a woman. I am glad one is a woman ...but that is not why I am voting for her. I wanted Dennis Kucinich in 2008...and I don't think he has a vagina....but since you are so much more aware of my motivations than I am..maybe he does have one. You might want to investigate.

...and what are the "obvious reasons" that black voters won't turn out?

BTW....Do you find it "embarrassing for our country" that so many white people vote strictly for white people?

Probably not.

Literally the same shit people spun when Obama was running "People are only voting for him because he is Black." Funnily enough for these same people, it was apparently OK for them not to vote for him because he was black.
 
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