Edmonton Pride parade held hostage

[bankside]

I think police should only kill when a life is pereived to be in immediate and imminent danger. Period..

Would you require mandatory body cameras on police officers so any situation of lethal force has at least some objective recording?
And just remind me, what’s your take when any suspect of any colour is told to hand over his ID and then gets shot and killed when he does it? Can I assume you would call that a criminal overreaction, gross dereliction of duty, a criminal extrajudicial killing? Because that one I saw on video.

 

[mcbrion]

Interesting, reading that link.
It appears that gays linked to ANY minority experience the same racist treatment by their White brothers and sisters as the US gay community has (and does) perpetuate in places. Probably just melanin-deprivation that warps so many White minds.

 

[mikey3000]

Would you require mandatory body cameras on police officers so any situation of lethal force has at least some objective recording?
And just remind me, what’s your take when any suspect of any colour is told to hand over his ID and then gets shot and killed when he does it? Can I assume you would call that a criminal overreaction, gross dereliction of duty, a criminal extrajudicial killing? Because that one I saw on video.

So what us your idea then, let every special interest group dictate the laws for everyone else? Disarm the police and military personnel? Disband ALL first responders? What do YOU think should be done?

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Start with the Dutch organization COC, which was founded right after WWII. Under nazi occupation, all gays had to go underground, but as soon as the country was liberated (more by Canadians than by Americans, I might add), COC and other organizations sprung up and manifested publicly within a few years. Not in great numbers, perhaps, but then the protesters at Stonewall could have fitted in one room.

Before WWII, there were other organizations in the Netherlands, Germany and Austria. They held conferences and public demonstrations all the way back to the late 1800s. Look up Adolf Brandt and Magnus Hirschfeld, to name just two leaders.

 

[TickTockMan]

To what extent are these beatings and killings being perpetrated by Canadian police?

Why do you assume they only care if it is by Canadian police?



And to be honest I did forget we were talking about Canada when I wrote that response, but the point is the same.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

So what us your idea then, let every special interest group dictate the laws for everyone else? Disarm the police and military personnel? Disband ALL first responders? What do YOU think should be done?

Ahhh, the ole "take a sensible idea and make it seem unreasonable by expanding to implausible heights"

 

[rareboy]

Pride Parades were not about "demanding acceptance." They were celebrations of pride, a completely different concept.

The first Pride parades were held in neighborhoods that were mainly gay (in San Francisco, it started on Polk St., but then the Castro became "Gay Central" by 1976), so that the gay community could participate in our own celebration. (House party, anyone?!?) We were not asking for the straight world's acceptance. That actually happened later, when we boycotted companies that openly called homosexuals deviants of some sort - such as Coors beer once did (among others). Once we boycotted - and saw the power of the "gay dollar" - they "saw the light," (and saw their sales drop) and suddenly became "enlightened. THEY came courting US. WE did NOT court THEM. And since these corporate giants courted us, they had no choice but to to affirm their "support" of gays, and develop corporate policies of non-discrimination. It was all very interesting to watch.
The San Francisco Gay Pride Parade - for many, many years, originated in the Castro, went down Market Street and then to Civic Center (near City Hall). It was only AFTER corporate sponsors wanted to participate ( the late 80s or early 90s - I forget which) that it moved down to the Ferry Building in San Francisco - at the waterfront, and then the parade route extended twice as far (to the Civic Center) - and became 5x as big, until it became San Francisco's largest parade. (That took a while, maybe 7-10 years.)
But it was never about demanding acceptance. When you're already proud of who you are, you don't NEED to demand acceptance. You just ARE.
Now, Stonewall was about demanding acceptance, for sure! But not the Pride Parades. That's why the first word after Gay is "Pride." In San Francisco, nobody needed to demand anything: we are a quite powerful force in city politics and have been since 1975. By the time AIDS kicked in, other than individual stories of discrimination, we were a highly mobilized force to be reckoned with.
Besides, we were too "pretty" to have to need to "demand" acceptance in SF. And as society overall values "beauty," we had already had that packaged in 24-karat Gold (not gold plated).

The first Toronto Pride parade was really an act of open defiance and rebellion.

 

[bankside]

So what us your idea then, let every special interest group dictate the laws for everyone else? Disarm the police and military personnel? Disband ALL first responders? What do YOU think should be done?

Don’t know if you thought my question was flippant or snarky. I seriously want to know if you’re good with body cams being mandatory rather than optional or “up to the local police.” I think they’re a damn good idea. And you?

And no I don’t want to disarm the military or disband first responders. I’m a good Canadian so I take “peace, order and good government” seriously, right out of our 1867 constitution. I’m happy to have the police arrest as many people as who commit crimes.

But what about when the video shows them arresting someone who is trying to comply, or shooting him?

(By the way all the rest of you let the record show this is the kind of point I have been glad to make on JUB and in person and on my fB page and arguing with my stupid in-laws two thanksgivings ago, and I talked about this shit before assholes bullied their way into my parade and made this job harder)

 

[mcbrion]

The first Toronto Pride parade was really an act of open defiance and rebellion.

Good to know. Thanks for that. When was the first Toronto Pride parade?

 

[mikey3000]

I think body cameras are a brilliant idea but many minority groups, including BLM claim they violate their civil rights and are now vigorously opposing their use. Back to square one.

 

[TickTockMan]

I think body cameras are a brilliant idea but many minority groups, including BLM claim they violate their civil rights and are now vigorously opposing their use. Back to square one.

I have not heard that. I have only heard they want them so when they are killed it will be on video.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I think body cameras are a brilliant idea but many minority groups, including BLM claim they violate their civil rights and are now vigorously opposing their use. Back to square one.

What minority groups are vigorously opposing their use? Name them unless you're fucking lying which would constitute trolling. Names of these groups. NOW. A cursory google search only turned up a civil rights org that opposes officers having access to their bodycam videos prior to writing reports.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I have not heard that. I have only heard they want them so when they are killed it will be on video.

You haven't heard it because it isn't true. I know he's lying. He knows he's lying. In the odd event that he isn't I've given him an opportunity to name these groups that are vigorously opposed to body cams since none of us have heard of it, it'd be weird that a guy with HIS opinions on brown people would know more about black civil rights groups and movements than I would and I haven't heard this ever.

 

[mikey3000]

The right to a trial by jury for one, can't go to trial if you're, ya know, dead. Also, since you asked, the right to sell weed. The US govt just spent four decades locking up young black men for selling weed-- destroying their lives and futures in the process and now decided "Nevermind, it's legal now, and we're gonna get rich off of it." There's way more but I'm going to let you deny this bit first.

So you think black people should've had the right to sell weed? Even though it was illegal? Ok, sure. Soon weed will be legal, what then? Should you have the right to sell crack? What about heroin? Coke? How about women? Do you want the right to sell women ? Would that improve the lives of young black men?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Mikey did I stutter? I specifically asked you for the names of the black civil rights orgs that are opposed to body cams. [STRIKE]Now[/STRIKE]. Right now. This is my second time asking, tengo que preguntarle en español? au français? deutsche?

 

[mikey3000]

On 12 January 2017, an ACLU representative reiterated the organization's support for a law prohibiting the use of police body cameras to film First Amendment-related activity in Washington, D.C.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

On 12 January 2017, an ACLU representative reiterated the organization's support for a law prohibiting the use of police body cameras to film First Amendment-related activity in Washington, D.C.

The ACLU is not a minority-run organization and there isn't a single article reporting BLM opposing body cams. You said "many minority groups, including BLM"

So even if we include the ACLU that's one according to my calculations. Let me be clear, I am demanding that you name at least a few more of the "MANY minority organizations" so one isn't good enough. Nope. While you're at it, prove that BLM opposes bodycams. I would hope you aren't lying because as I said that constitutes trolling and I'll just have to start reporting your posts so try, TRY to muster at least a modicum of honesty.

PS: According to Snopes that claim about the ACLU is mostly false

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aclu-police-remove-body-cams-inauguration-protests/

A misconstrued comment from an ACLU representative led to rumors the organization demanded police turn off body cameras during January 2017 protests in Washington, D.C.

Restrictions on police body cameras during inauguration protests are dictated by law [PDF] and not by any demands on the part of the organization.

 

[mikey3000]

https://create.piktochart.com/output/3916621-untitled-infographic

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

https://create.piktochart.com/output/3916621-untitled-infographic

You didn't even read that because it scrutinizes bodycams it doesn't oppose them, and that's not even an official website that's some third-party bullshit commenting on complaints about lack of accountability when video evidence proves questionable circumstances. It's not even purpoting to be a voice for BLM it simply has the hashtag at the top of the page. You're not even trying. So let me ask for a fourth time, who are the MANY minority orgainzations that oppose body cams? Answers. NOW.

 

[opinterph]

On 12 January 2017, an ACLU representative reiterated the organization's support for a law prohibiting the use of police body cameras to film First Amendment-related activity in Washington, D.C.

We supported that law for very good reasons. (ACLU; January 17, 2017)​