Edmonton Pride parade held hostage

[fabulouslyghetto]

So we can expect more protests at St. Paddy's Day Parade? The Santa Claus Parade?

Sure Mike absolutely.

 

[mikey3000]

And I know a handful of gay cops who proudly march with their partners, or at least they used to.

 

[mikey3000]

Sure Mike absolutely.

Well why the fuck not? Its about as appropriate at the Pride Parade.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

It reinforces my opinion that putting a wall between Pride and police is the opposite action that is needed in the circumstance in Edmonton and more generally. We need more interactions – not less.

If those interactions are turning deadly for minorities how is closer proximity the solution? it's the last thing we need until police culture changes to one where black people aren't target practice. It's easy for a non-black person to say "Just bring em on in," you're not the type of person they're likely to brutalize.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Well why the fuck not? Its about as appropriate at the Pride Parade.

Now we're worried about what's appropriate?

 

[bankside]

Here’s an example of the federal conservative Parliamentarians oppressing intersectional lgbtpocs by demanding the liberal government make its lgbt refugee program permanent. How can the voices of the disenfranchised in this country be heard over all the racist privileged white gays ordering their venti lattés. How. Can. They. Be. Heard.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lgbtq-refugee-rainbow-funding-1.4705254?cmp=FB_Post_News

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Here’s an example of the federal conservative Parliamentarians oppressing intersectional lgbtpocs by demanding the liberal government make its lgbt refugee program permanent. How can the voices of the disenfranchised in this country be heard over all the racist privileged white gays ordering their venti lattés. How. Can. They. Be. Heard.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lgbtq-refugee-rainbow-funding-1.4705254?cmp=FB_Post_News

Upon further googling I've found that, while I'll be the first to hail Canada as an example of tolerance and justice for the US, turns out their record with cops and black people isn't exactly squeaky clean.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...-a-canadian-problem-too-says-author-1.4589507

"We need to realize that this is very much a Canadian issue as well," says Robyn Maynard, author of Policing Black Lives: State Violence in Canada from Slavery to the Present.

She points to the death of Pierre Coriolan as an example.

Police were called to the 58-year-old black man's Montreal apartment last June after neighbours complained he was yelling and smashing things inside his home.


Robyn Maynard says that while visibility has improved, there is still a problem of accountability. (Robyn Maynard)
"[He] was in the midst of a mental-health crisis. Then the police arrived and shot him with a taser and then with rubber bullets and then with live bullets."

He was pronounced dead in hospital later that day.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-deaths-blacks-data-1.4599215

New data shows 18 black men and one black boy were among the 52 people killed in encounters with Toronto police officers between 2000-2017.

That outnumbers other racial groups, analysis by CBC News has found.

No government agency or police force maintains national statistics on police-involved fatalities. But CBC tracked more than 460 deaths nationwide through inquests, Special Investigations Unit reports, media accounts and other public records.

In Toronto, the 19 black people killed in encounters with Toronto police account for 36.5 per cent of the fatalities, despite the fact that black people make up just 8.3 per cent of the city's population during this time, according to the data.

Hmmm, not keeping track, black people representing a miniscule portion of the population but a disproportionate amount of victims of police shootings, if I didn't know better that sounds exactly like the US. Maybe I gave Canada too much credit? Then again, I understand how easy it'd be for a non-black person to be dismissive of this information.

 

[opinterph]

How can the voices of the disenfranchised in this country be heard over all the racist privileged white gays ordering their venti lattés. How. Can. They. Be. Heard.

How does increasing the ratio of LGBTQ refugees and permanently funding the pilot project oppress intersectional LGBT persons of colour?

Is it the allocation of resources to help outsiders?

 

[mikey3000]

The ACLU is not a minority-run organization and there isn't a single article reporting BLM opposing body cams. You said "many minority groups, including BLM"

So even if we include the ACLU that's one according to my calculations. Let me be clear, I am demanding that you name at least a few more of the "MANY minority organizations" so one isn't good enough. Nope. While you're at it, prove that BLM opposes bodycams. I would hope you aren't lying because as I said that constitutes trolling and I'll just have to start reporting your posts so try, TRY to muster at least a modicum of honesty.

PS: According to Snopes that claim about the ACLU is mostly false

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aclu-police-remove-body-cams-inauguration-protests/

Check my quote and your snopes link again. My quote is true.

 

[TickTockMan]

If those interactions are turning deadly for minorities how is closer proximity the solution? it's the last thing we need until police culture changes to one where black people aren't target practice. It's easy for a non-black person to say "Just bring em on in," you're not the type of person they're likely to brutalize.

Closeness breeds acceptance. And chances are those taking part in Pride marches and the like are not the ones beating and killing minorities.


Just meeting and spending time with someone that doesn't like certain people when you are that person may make them rethink their opinion. One of the biggest homophobes I have met calmed down when he figured out I am not straight. He already liked me. From there he knew some at least of what he thought was wrong.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Closeness breeds acceptance.

I don't trust that, not when the person has a gun and carte blanche to use it on me knowing there will be no consequences.

And chances are those taking part in Pride marches and the like are not the ones beating and killing minorities.

Guilty by association, it happens all the time for black people, Mikey is constantly asking me to justify or explain black criminals, and minus the racist overtones he's right, I am my brother's keeper and responsible for him, same with police. I know yall are sick of hearing this but silence is complacency, at a certain point if you're a cop and a part of the system and are not actively working to improve it then you're just as guilty as the cop who pulls the trigger. I dunno about Canada but in the US you can be implicated for crimes that you knew were going on and failed to report or intervene.

 

[opinterph]

how is closer proximity the solution?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality

 

[mikey3000]

...at a certain point if you're a cop and a part of the system and are not actively working to improve it then you're just as guilty as the cop who pulls the trigger.

Wait! What???? But the cops marching in Pride ARE actively working to improve it. Man you make no sense at all anymore.

 

[opinterph]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality

Lumping people together by some identifying characteristic is what you profess to abhor.

 

[TickTockMan]

I don't trust that, not when the person has a gun and carte blanche to use it on me knowing there will be no consequences.

Fair enough.

Guilty by association, it happens all the time for black people, Mikey is constantly asking me to justify or explain black criminals, and minus the racist overtones he's right, I am my brother's keeper and responsible for him, same with police. I know yall are sick of hearing this but silence is complacency, at a certain point if you're a cop and a part of the system and are not actively working to improve it then you're just as guilty as the cop who pulls the trigger. I dunno about Canada but in the US you can be implicated for crimes that you knew were going on and failed to report or intervene.

How do you know that those marching and attending as guests are complacent? You don't.

Something has to give and it is usually never those in power so you have to change your game plan. I get being sick and tired of compromising, but that is what it will take.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Lumping [STRIKE]people[/STRIKE] minorities together by some identifying characteristic is what you profess to abhor.

Corrected for accuracy. Police aren't a minority, their civil rights aren't being violated, their freedoms aren't in jeopardy, and for damn sure if somebody kills one they're going to prison. Not the same thing, but points for effort.

 

[mikey3000]

Upon further googling I've found that, while I'll be the first to hail Canada as an example of tolerance and justice for the US, turns out their record with cops and black people isn't exactly squeaky clean.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...-a-canadian-problem-too-says-author-1.4589507



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-deaths-blacks-data-1.4599215



Hmmm, not keeping track, black people representing a miniscule portion of the population but a disproportionate amount of victims of police shootings, if I didn't know better that sounds exactly like the US. Maybe I gave Canada too much credit? Then again, I understand how easy it'd be for a non-black person to be dismissive of this information.

Or maybe blacks, a minuscule portion of the population, are committing a disproportionate amount of the crime. Why cant you see that?
I too understand how easy it'd be for a black person to be so dismissive of this information.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

How do you know that those marching and attending as guests are complacent? You don't.

until this ends they're all assumed guilty until proven otherwise. imagine working for a company, and you know your coworkers are killing people and getting away with it. i don't know you super well but you strike me as the kinda guy that would raise hell until either you're fired or they fix the system. nothing less is acceptable.

 

[bankside]

How does increasing the ratio of LGBTQ refugees and permanently funding the pilot project oppress intersectional LGBT persons of colour?

Is it the allocation of resources to help outsiders?

No, my framing of it is satire meant to draw attention to the incongruity of pleading oppression and marginalisation when Canadians of any ethnicity or walk of life generally have conventional political channels to raise issues, and then those issues are debated centre stage. Even our Conservative party sees a role for advocating on behalf of gblt refugees, many of whom will be coming here as ethnic minorities.

In a city where the police commission has set up a chief’s council mechanism to address issues specific to sexual or ethnic minorities, in a country where the debate is “how fast can we make our gay refugee program permanent”, it’s ridiculous to blockade a parade and stage a tantrum against people who are already supportive of equality and justice, while they are in the middle of a celebration of those values, and while they are assembled in a diverse group actually demonstrating those values. And to get a bunch of douchenozzle bullies who then feel they can let loose calling people racists just because they are told to step off is just bullshit. Its also dangerous. Calling people racists when they aren’t delegitimatises conversations about racism and tunes people out. It’s not just ridiculous, it’s illegitimate, and it stops us from firming up the changes we have made and the stunning progress we have achieved by making old-school racists look credible. “See? Now they’re protesting each other! I told you they just wanted attention, special rights, spew spew spew etc.”