On-Topic Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

[Telstra]

Change.org petition seeking Iceland's accommodation of asylum for Snowden:

https://www.change.org/petitions/iceland-grant-asylum-to-nsa-whistle-blower-edward-snowden

An email for your friends:

Nah, i think Snowden prefer Hong Kong.
Many more things to do there ..... and Shanghai would be amazing for him when the dust settles down.

 

[kallipolis]

Are you friggin' serious?

I've never worked for the NSA, but I'm sure they have safeguards in place to prevent these kinds of leaks. What do you think would happen to our intelligence agencies if they don't go after people that leak information?

The responses...my goodness. I'm trying to think of good things about the gay community, but people are making it hard.

I'm serious when confronting those who say one thing and then contradict themselves in a follow on post.

Your reply avoided addressing my question. I understand why.

 

[kallipolis]

You're making claims about the heroism of this guy and I'm saying back it up. I, as an American, don't have to cite shit to say how Americans feel because I am an American. The onus is on you, buddy.

You guys keep saying that these criminals (Assange, Manning and Snowden) are doing us favors. We didn't ask for any favors, dammit. So damn condescending.

You made the original statement that Americans don't have issues with Snowden's actions - I merely reminded you that Snowden is a citizen of the United States and cares that his government is monitoring the activities of its own citizens when they use the telephone or the Internet. I'm sure that there are other United States citizens who feel the same way as Snowden.

 

[Lostlover]

You made the original statement that Americans don't have issues with Snowden's actions - I merely reminded you that Snowden is a citizen of the United States and cares that his government is monitoring the activities of its own citizens when they use the telephone or the Internet. I'm sure that there are other United States citizens who feel the same way as Snowden.

LMAO.

How do you say Straw Man in Greek?

315 million people and you're sure there are Americans that agree with Snowden. Ya think?

 

[rareboy]

You're making claims about the heroism of this guy and I'm saying back it up. I, as an American, don't have to cite shit to say how Americans feel because I am an American. The onus is on you, buddy.

You guys keep saying that these criminals (Assange, Manning and Snowden) are doing us favors. We didn't ask for any favors, dammit. So damn condescending.

...and of course, as we know, LL has apparently been anointed to speak for all Americans.

 

[Corny]

I bet LostLover also opposed the leaking of the Pentagon Papers

Anyway, here is the map on why anybody outside of the US could just DARE to have an opinion on this.

And LL, apparently a lot of Americans care. Just because you're not one of them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist.

 

[kallipolis]

LMAO.

How do you say Straw Man in Greek?

315 million people and you're sure there are Americans that agree with Snowden. Ya think?

As others have also noted your easy choice to speak for all the people of the United States is commendable and lamentably far fetched from reality. Keep trying for I am hungry for a little comedy to lighten my mood after a hard day's work.

 

[Jack Springer]

This guy, different from Manning, sorted that which he released and did so for a reasonable cause of national discourse on the subject of data mining by our government. He revealed nothing that wasn't available years ago but re-ignited the debate that can hopefully result in a national consensus on HOW we go about working through the current information overloaded world.

Again, he is entirely different than Manning.

Agree, Manning and this guy are completely different.

Manning stole classified information, this guy did not.

I'm still not sure where I stand on what Snowden did. I want the country to be safe -- but at what cost. I think the Obama Administration has gone too far - beyond what they need to do.

I'm also upset that the Administration keeps lying about things. Mr. Clapper should be charged with perjury because he lied so openly before Congress.

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...and of course, as we know, LL has apparently been anointed to speak for all Americans.

You can't speak for one American.

What's the price of blubber today?

 

[Jack Springer]

I bet LostLover also opposed the leaking of the Pentagon Papers

Anyway, here is the map on why anybody outside of the US could just DARE to have an opinion on this.

And LL, apparently a lot of Americans care. Just because you're not one of them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist.

Why doesn't Germany finally releases papers on who and what companies totally supported Hitler and are still in power today.

We have our problems here in the USA -- but don't appreciate others from outside telling us what to do.

 

[palbert]

Boundless Informant:

Known as Boundless Informant, the software provides its operator a graphical insight on how many records were collected for a specific “organizational unit” or country, what type of data was collected and what type of collection was used. The program also allows determining trends in data collection for both strategic and tactical decision making, according to the slides.

One of the slides contains a part of the Informant’s user interface showing a world map with countries color-coded ranging from green to red depending on the amount of records collected there. While Iran, Pakistan and other some other states are predictably “hottest” according to the map, the agency collected almost 3 billion intelligence pieces in the US in March 2013 alone. [e.s.]

http://rt.com/news/boundless-informant-nsa-prism-423/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining

Three billion in the US in 2013 alone? A little more than tracking foreign communications.

 

[Corny]

Godwin's law, already? Well, you lost the argument before there even was one.

Where in this thread have I told "you" what to do?

 

[Lostlover]

Why doesn't Germany finally releases papers on who and what companies totally supported Hitler and are still in power today.

We have our problems here in the USA -- but don't appreciate others from outside telling us what to do.

LOL! You went there... you did!'

Corny: tell the pot and kettle hello.

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As others have also noted your easy choice to speak for all the people of the United States is commendable and lamentably far fetched from reality. Keep trying for I am hungry for a little comedy to lighten my mood after a hard day's work.

Is this how you say Straw Man in Greek?

άνθρωπος

 

[Corny]

Would you kindly mind discussing the topic instead of those cheap ad hominem jabs?

 

[Lostlover]

As others have also noted your easy choice to speak for all the people of the United States is commendable and lamentably far fetched from reality. Keep trying for I am hungry for a little comedy to lighten my mood after a hard day's work.

No. No. Son. I'm speaking as an American. You're making generalities about Americans and I asked you to back it up.

I don't need to back up my opinion as an American because this is an American issue. I think I'm more than qualified to speak on it.

Is this how you say Straw Man in Greek? άνθρωπος (If so, Google Translate did a hell of a job.)

 

[kallipolis]

No. No. Son. I'm speaking as an American. You're making generalities about Americans and I asked you to back it up.

I don't need to back up my opinion as an American because this is an American issue. I think I'm more than qualified to speak on it.

Is this how you say Straw Man in Greek? άνθρωπος (If so, Google Translate did a hell of a job.)

That you are an American believing that you can speak on behalf of other Americans is correct....in reality you are not able to speak on behalf of other Americans....here lies your dilemma in assuming that other Americans do not care that Snowden exposed the NSAs monitoring of United States citizens when using the telephone or the Internet. Snowden proves that at least one American does care.

άνθρωπος transliterates into English - man or human being.

 

[Lostlover]

Would you kindly mind discussing the topic instead of those cheap ad hominem jabs?

It's absolutely true. It's good to see you're backing off. Get off your high horse.

If you're a man of your word, please stop using Google, Facebook, Microsoft products, Apple products, Twitter, etc. Put your money where your mouth is.



And for those that care, this is Straw man in Greek: άχυρο άνθρωπος

 

[rareboy]

Between Springer and LL, the hilarity continues. And really Springer? Godwin's Law? Really?

 

[Corny]

If you haven't noticed, I didn't say *anything* against any of those companies, either. Just as I didn't tell "Americans" what to do. So once again, stop the desperate attempt at trying to imagine something that I could have said to come up with another lame try of an ad hominem attack.

 

[Lostlover]

If you haven't noticed, I didn't say *anything* against any of those companies, either. Just as I didn't tell "Americans" what to do. So once again, stop the desperate attempt at trying to imagine something that I could have said to come up with another lame try of an ad hominem attack.

These companies are complicit in this story. If you, even as a non-American, have an issue with the US government tracking things, I think you would have issues with these companies since they're allowing it to go on. It's only natural.

It's good to see you're backing down from being so self-righteous initially.

Please tell me that you're no longer going to use these services. I would like to hear if you talk the talk and walk the walk.

You've made a considerable amount of noise here and when called on it, you step back, even telling Jack Springer that he lost the argument for daring to ask of Germany the same thing you encourage here: more openness. (I guess the expectation of more openness doesn't apply to your government, LOL.)

 

[Corny]

IN case you haven't notice, this is an on-topic thread Anyway, I'll leave it to the CE&P mods to clean this up, or next you'll go and whine that I'm silencing you No, nazi germany is not on topic here. Nor was this about the companies who were more or less forced to participate. Yet, you're still here grasping at straws.