Elizabeth is Queen Why is not Phillp King?

[unloadonme]

Isn't Earl the "good" title to have? That is, the holder tends to be of an older family, "duke" being somewhat arriviste. That's been my impression, however, incorrect.

That's too much of a generalisation I'm afraid. The oldest existing (non-royal) dukedom is Norfolk, created in 1483. The newest (non-royal again) dukedom is Westminster created in 1874. Most dukes held other titles before they were made dukes. For instance, the present Duke of Norfolk also holds the barony of Beaumont which was created in 1309.

The oldest extant earldom is the Scottish title of Mar created in c1115 and the newest is Stockton created in 1984 for the former Prime Minister Harold Macmillan. Most are 18th and 19th century creations, so not much different to the dukedoms in that respect.

As asadoyayunta says, dukes are two degrees higher in the peerage than earls and generally very much grander.

It is incorrect. Duke is a superior title to Earl, the highest non-royal ranking. As said above the elder sons of Dukes will often take one of the father's junior Earldom titles until he succeeds. For example, the Duke of Norfolk's eldest son is the Earl of Arundel.

The eldest sons of dukes generally take their father's most senior non-ducal title. That's not always an earldom. For example, the eldest son of the Duke of Argyll is the Marquess of Lorne, the eldest son of the Duke of Manchester is Viscount Mandeville and the Duke of Somerset's eldest son is merely Lord (ie Baron) Seymour. Despite that, Lord Seymour actually out-ranks the Marquess of Lorne and Viscount Mandeville, because precedence depends on the date of creation of the Dukedom itself and the Somerset title was created before Argyll or Manchester.

 

[pohbear]

i once read that the anglican church is the catholic church in england, so why all the fuss? can anyone help please.

 

[Cruiser7]

Andrew's full title is: His Royal Highness The Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, Baron Killyleagh, Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, Canadian Forces Decoration, Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty

Jeez! His business cards must be the size of a billboard!



A serious thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I've wondered about the lines of succession, etc. for years.

Thanks again.

 

[BowtieGuy]

Charles is the Heir Apparent - meaning no one can be born who can displace him in the succession to the throne. Elizabeth was only Heir Presumptive (Heiress Presumptive?), meaning that had her father had a son, he would have replaced Elizabeth in the line of succession at the moment of his birth.

I don't know if it is proper to call William an Heir Apparent, or if we have to wait for the Buffoon to inherit the throne before they'd call William that.

Heir Apparent Once Removed? Heir Apparent Apparent.

Hmm.

Extremely knowledgeable. How do you know all this. Are you from the house of windsor?

 

[BowtieGuy]

Are there any gay princes?

 

[bankside]

Extremely knowledgeable. How do you know all this. Are you from the house of windsor?

LOL no. I figure I should know something about the family that serves as head of state of my own country.

Liz has done the job well, but, oh! her son!

She is Queen of Canada. We don't have any of the other nobility, except for one. Louis XIV was once King of Canada when it was ruled by the French, and he created the title of Baron of Longueuil. When Canada became British, the monarch agreed that any titles of nobility granted by the French would continue. And that was it! Just one! So Canada does have its own barony, on the south shore of Montréal: the Baron de Longueuil.

 

[lazycrockett]

Cause that's how Lizzie roles bitches.

 

[Dookus]

Another great story about the Queen Mother:

She was at a big function with Noel Coward. They were walking up a grand staircase lined with guards, and she noticed Coward checking out some of them. She said "I wouldn't if I were you, Noel. They count them before they put them out."