Elizabeth Warren Leading Scott Brown In Two New Polls

[MassRuss]

Sorry to concern your kitties, but Elizabeth Warren is ahead in the polls, worried kitties or not.

My cat was worried too, but she meowed that she's also voting for Ms Warren! (Just don't tell Benny, he'll think she's illegal!)

 

[Jack Springer]

Going negative usually gives the negative candidate a jump in the polls -- time will tell for how long.

negative candidate = Warren

 

[rareboy]

And your cats fit into that topic how?!

If she burned the roast, dropped the cat or dented the fender of the car she's still ahead in the polls.

Direct response to the OP.

Unlike speculation about Warren's indian heritage.

all clear?

 

[maxpowr9]

The Democrats, in a regularly scheduled election that is also a presidential cycle, have no business not carrying a U.S. Senate race.

Problem in Massachusetts: To date no woman has won a statewide election. But it has happened in, say, South Carolina.

Gov. Swift only got into office by default because Celucci left to go be ambassador to Canada. As I said earlier, if Obama wins reelection, Kerry will become Secretary of State opening his senate seat so IMO, both Warren and Brown will end up in the Senate anyways.

 

[chrisrobin]

Careful if you say the truth you might get an infraction. Just saying lol

Look at it this way, Warren is leading because she is an effective campaigner. The political right has no answers for Scott Brown's impending downfall.

Scott Brown, a good example of why Republicans should not be given a pass | Universal Hub

The AFL-CIO actually supported Brown back in 2010. They moved their support to Warren. The democrats failed to field an effective candidate for the seat in 2010... obviously it's a far different story with Warren.

Cherokee Nation, huh? Let's see her birth certificate!

 

[BostonPirate]

This what You guys did with a standard innoculous thread about a senate race from a state that I am still undecided on for purely political reasons?

Fuck

Jackaroe, once again you seem to embody a problem here instead of providing leadership to end it.

Sad.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Sad.

... and also predictable. The "Two Jacks" can't dispute the headline so they bring mud from outside to sling around and mess the joint up in hopes of changing the topic. Sling all the mud and use ALL the pejoratives you can possibly dream up boys (or better yet, get them from breitbart, they're so clever) but it isn't going to change the headline.

Sorry 'bout it. **







** not really sorry

 

[BostonPirate]

well then lets start over and act like grown ups here.

I know and have regular social interactions with people that work for Brown. The conventional wisdom on Beacon hill has been to keep Brown as a window of representation in the GOP in office and when Clinton resigns, and Kerry is named as next sec of state, that brown or Warren will get that seat depending on whether or not a Kennedy runs, and signs are average that one of them will give Kerry's seat a go against brown if Warren wins.

Now I am presented as a real non affiliated voter on having a real discussion on what path as a voter I need to take.

This for me is self education and getting input from people of both spectrums on what to do with my vote.

I would have made it a on topic thread, but that has proven futile and useless. It may as well be gotten rid of as a thread designation in this forum.

SO out of respect to me and my voting rights on a race that will have national impact, I am asking for ALL of you to act like grown ups, and tell me why my vote should go in either direction in the Brown V Warren race.

Chrisrobin can verify that this has been my position in these last weeks, and I am in process of reaching a conclusion.

Please do not interfere with my REAL desire to have a REAL discussion of what these two people can do in office in a way that benefits me as an individual.

If you guys can't do that. then This thread needs to be closed.

 

[Jack Springer]

Awww Andy -- polls go up and down. Just today Gallup released a new poll showing Obama 47% and Romney 46%.

You can only get one point closer.

Warren's bump is likely from her recent decision (forced by her major funders because she's not gaining in the polls) to go negative.



As a gesture of friendship ... please have some Mississippi Mud Cookies ... even a glass of cold milk to wash them down.

 

[BostonPirate]

Awww Andy -- polls go up and down. Just today Gallup released a new poll showing Obama 47% and Romney 46%.

You can only get one point closer.

Warren's bump is likely from her recent decision (forced by her major funders because she's not gaining in the polls) to go negative.



As a gesture of friendship ... please have some Mississippi Mud Cookies ... even a glass of cold milk to wash them down.

OR it has much to do with the fact that she was the lead in for Bill Clinton, and gave the speech that brought him out to the floor of the convention.

It may be a convention bounce. My interest is whether or not it is a bounce from that, or a tail coats down turn as Romney plummets in the polls.

It all has little to do with why one candidate is more attractive as a voter than another.

This is the real deal folks. I am unsure of how to vote and in what way my vote will help my state in the coming years. I am asking for some real advice on who is better at what and why.

Please assist or leave the thread.

 

[JayHawk]

Well BP if it is neither here nor there with you then I suggest voting for Warren. Mostly on the dynamic of the Senate. If Brown takes Kerry's seat later on then fine but you know as well as I do if there is a republican majority in either house they will seek to make BHO a lame duck the day after his inauguration.

 

[BostonPirate]

Well BP if it is neither here nor there with you then I suggest voting for Warren. Mostly on the dynamic of the Senate. If Brown takes Kerry's seat later on then fine but you know as well as I do if there is a republican majority in either house they will seek to make BHO a lame duck the day after his inauguration.

I'm not so sure there is going to be a House majority of Republicans come november. That's my issue

The latest internal polls state by state, show races across the board that were once considered safe, before the Romney campaign, as now being up for grabs, virtual ties.

Even Bachmann is in a statistical tie with her challenger, and internal polling shows that the shift is likely to continue in his favor. Ryan even had to stop and put two mill on his own house seat, because he is sliding there and Romney is looking cooked as a christmas goose.

Boston has always had undue influence in DC because we know how to play long game national politics. Do I want a Warren kennedy senatorial representation, or do I want a Brown/ Warren one.

I am honestly unsure. Conventional wisdom in New England is to think thrice before unseating a senator of any party, because you have to start climbing up the ladder all over again in committees, and THAT is where the Commonwealth has exerted its authority traditionally... In Senate committee process.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Awww Andy -- polls go up and down. Just today Gallup released a new poll showing Obama 47% and Romney 46%.

Sure they do. There is no dispute there, but THIS ^^^ would have been a perfectly acceptable response to the OP rather than all that predictable partisan "fauxcahontas" blather which just makes you guys sound whiny.

 

[BostonPirate]

Sure they do. There is no dispute there, but THIS ^^^ would have been a perfectly acceptable response to the OP rather than all that predictable partisan "fauxcahontas" blather which just makes you guys sound whiny.

All ecxept that according to Mika and Joe the polls today showed Obama at 48 and Romney at 43... perhaps they were reporting the poll of polls, and not one in particular.

 

[JayHawk]

I'm not so sure there is going to be a House majority of Republicans come november. That's my issue

The latest internal polls state by state, show races across the board that were once considered safe, before the Romney campaign, as now being up for grabs, virtual ties.

Even Bachmann is in a statistical tie with her challenger, and internal polling shows that the shift is likely to continue in his favor. Ryan even had to stop and put two mill on his own house seat, because he is sliding there and Romney is looking cooked as a christmas goose.

Boston has always had undue influence in DC because we know how to play long game national politics. Do I want a Warren kennedy senatorial representation, or do I want a Brown/ Warren one.

I am honestly unsure. Conventional wisdom in New England is to think thrice before unseating a senator of any party, because you have to start climbing up the ladder all over again in committees, and THAT is where the Commonwealth has exerted its authority traditionally... In Senate committee process.

Ok the long game. Are you sure that Brown will represent your views in eventual committee leadership rolls or if he stays with a republican party that is quickly running away from normal thought will you endorse what you do not want? Think about what republicans did after BHO won in 2008. they ran hard right and eviscerated their own who were more moderate and not toting the line. Will Brown stick to his guns or stay in with the party that funds him?

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

All ecxept that according to Mika and Joe the polls today showed Obama at 48 and Romney at 43... perhaps they were reporting the poll of polls, and not one in particular.

Sorry, I wasn't being clear. I meant that there was no dispute in that polls CAN change. I didn't bother to research the specific poll numbers he referenced.

 

[CoolBlue71]

Gov. Swift only got into office by default because Celucci left to go be ambassador to Canada. As I said earlier, if Obama wins reelection, Kerry will become Secretary of State opening his senate seat so IMO, both Warren and Brown will end up in the Senate anyways.

The current Massachusetts U.S. Senate seat held by Scott Brown, with his challenge by Elizabeth Warren, is for this election cycle of 2012. Should President Barack Obama win re-election, then bring the other U.S. Senator, John Kerry, into his administration, that would open up the Kerry-held seat. I don't know what the state law is but, under those circumstances, I'd imagine Gov. Deval Patrick would get to make the decision who would replace Kerry. Another special Senate election, I suppose, would get scheduled to fill out the remainder of that term. (Kerry's seat is scheduled for a full term in 2014.)

 

[BostonPirate]

Sorry, I wasn't being clear. I meant that there was no dispute in that polls CAN change. I didn't bother to research the specific poll numbers he referenced.

Well yeah they change but look at the head winds.

I agree that they change daily in minor variations.

Obama polled 49 percent on his handling of the mideast, Romney polled 26. This huge down wind effect is what is bringing out the other races and making safe seats up for grabs.

Brown is not safe anymore and the problem I have with using polling data to instruct me on the relevance of the race, is that it seems likely with the new Video revelation to continue to push down against Romney. The nation is getting pretty fed up with the chicanery.

Now I have to reconsider what is reasonable for the senate to look like. This is the second seat now, that was thought safe in the senate, that will probably change hands to the dems. Akin and Brown are a two point pick up for the dems, which shows as four seats on the tally.. one off one side, one added to the other.

Now its likely that at a minimum, the progressive causus of dems and indies will hold a 54 seat presence, at minimum, not counting a few other that are assumed to turn from dem to GOP that now may not, as well as genuine DEM pick ups.

It's all changing faster than I can keep up with the data. AAAAHHHH!!!

 

[BostonPirate]

The current Massachusetts U.S. Senate seat held by Scott Brown, with his challenge by Elizabeth Warren, is for this election cycle of 2012. Should President Barack Obama win re-election, then bring the other U.S. Senator, John Kerry, into his administration, that would open up the Kerry-held seat. I don't know what the state law is but, under those circumstances, I'd imagine Gov. Deval Patrick would get to make the decision who would replace Kerry. Another special Senate election, I suppose, would get scheduled to fill out the remainder of that term. (Kerry's seat is scheduled for a full term in 2014.)

I think that kennedy changed the state law before he died to be an appointment seat. IF it's an election, then warren has the war chest and the name recognition, and with brown out of the way, she will have an easy win.

Warren is in either way.

My dilemma is whether I prefer a Brown or a Ted Kennedy Jr.

 

[BostonPirate]

This one says the gap among registered voters is even larger, which Warren leading 53 to 41 percent.

Elizabeth Warren vs Scott Brown Poll: Warren Leads By 6 Point Advantage

Whatever the percentage of Native American she is or if she met with Native American groups, she's still ahead. If she burned the roast, dropped the cat or dented the fender of the car she's still ahead in the polls.

Slam her all you want....... she's ahead in the polls.

from this article....

Warren's rise in the polls is significant, give that she has been trailing in most credible polls until now. That surge can be explained, in part, by Warren's speech at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, where she delivered one of the most high-profile speeches ahead of former President Bill Clinton on Night 2. Her speech, emphasizing her belief in equality and fairness, brought the crowd to a standing ovation and unveiled her on a national stage. Democrats have clearly invested a lot in winning Massachusetts, as the speech directly proceeded the most popular man in the Democratic Party, who stole the show with his close to hour-long address.

Still, Brown holds a 22-point lead amongst independents, which gives him a great shot at winning the race.

Technically in this state, I am what the commonwealth calls a nonregistered voter, meaning, I have not registered to vote in party votes on any ballot.

There is a big discussion going on right now, among is as to who is the better choice, and it looks like we are beginning to think that Warren and Ted Kennedy Jr are a better road than Brown and Warren. They would actually both work together again, as Kerry and kennedy did for so many years on our behalf as a state of the union.. well a commonwealth within the union.