End Gay4Pay

[popperdude]

Oh Yes. Let's go for another FAIL, pd.

Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't mean your assessment of his sexuality is correct.

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WOW - you're quick to judge aren't you? Please remind me of where/when I said my assessment of his sexuality was correct? I do have an opinion about his sexuality - but it does not qualify as a "correct assessment". You're really nit-picking here. If you're simply trying to point out that straight men can enjoy and perform sex acts with other men and not be gay or bi - simply state that. No need to go after me. State what YOU think instead of trolling. Thank you.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

By the way, Popperdude, if you're going to send aggressive, angry PMs to people, it's kinda tacky to not allow people to PM you back.

Just saying.

 

[popperdude]

It's so cute that you think that. You also realize that Leonardo DiCaprio didn't REALLY drown when that boat sank, right?

And that Jennifer Anniston didn't REALLY Marry David Schwimmer in France?

I'm sorry you think it's "cute." Perhaps you didn't understand my post. Why are you so heated about my opinion on this matter? Do you feel as though I am attacking you personally? If so, that was not my intention. Perhaps if you were to enlighten us on your beliefs regarding the matter at hand, instead of failing to reiterate my opinions with your childish banter, readers would better understand your puerile reactions?

 

[popperdude]

By the way, Popperdude, if you're going to send aggressive, angry PMs to people, it's kinda tacky to not allow people to PM you back.

Just saying.

I agree - but I was far from angry. I was hoping to receive a reply - I thought that I could receive replies from anyone? Is there a setting I missed?

EDIT: Jasun - I'm sorry I hadn't unchecked the option to not receive IMs from people other than buddies and moderators. You should be able to reply now. Thanks!

 

[popperdude]

You could easily lick an asshole and not "enjoy" it. I've seen plenty of lesbian porn where they clearly fake interest.

And I've fucked furniture. FURNITURE. With creative methods and a bit of will-power, guys can fuck anything to completion, I think, even if they don't actually enjoy it all that much. It isn't super difficult to make a penis shoot cum.

OK. I see what you're saying. I just disagree that's all.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I'm sorry you think it's "cute." Perhaps you didn't understand my post. Why are you so heated about my opinion on this matter? Do you feel as though I am attacking you personally? If so, that was not my intention. Perhaps if you were to enlighten us on your beliefs regarding the matter at hand, instead of failing to reiterate my opinions with your childish banter, readers would better understand your puerile reactions?

considering I direct some gay for pay porn, I think I have a pretty good insight as to how it's made and how that 20-minute scene you watch can take a LOT longer to capture. It's a long process and even the gay guys aren't necessarily "aroused" when they're shooting.. you're not having sex, you're putting on a performance. It's not like taking pictures at a birthday party.

 

[Allicide]

Something to keep in mind when discussing how straight men can perform is the fact that these guys know they are coming to have sex with men. The don't have sex or masterbate for at least a day -usually more- before the scene. They watch straight porn, drink a little,some smoke pot (Reese Rideout admitted he did to get in the mood), but mostly they reduce the act to the physical mechanics. Add that to the fact that these guys are usually in their 20's when physically stimulation is all that is required to get hard. I would think it is harder for them to keep from shooting than from keeping it up. The problem comes because they do reduce it to physical mechanics. If you have two dancers that learn a routine then they will both be able to perform the steps but the dancer that FEELS the emotion from the music will give a better perfomance.

So the real questions should be "Why do studios continue to use a model's straightness as a selling point when it is passion that the viewer wants?" and "Why do studios continue to use models AFTER they publically insult the very men that buy the videos?"

Why should Randy Blue have EVER used Malachi Marx again after the shitty and offensive way he left the business? What the hell is Raging Stallion doing signing Jason Adonis to an exclusive? To be honest they are giving those things away like dinner mints at a buffet this year but it still is an insult to the gay men that buy the products especially whe he is diametrically opposed to what they supposedly cater to. Anyone who reads any of my comments knows that I think Next Door and Cody Cummings are the most disgusting, homophobic, and exploitive company shooting gay porn. I understand that Sean Cody Corbin Fisher, etc. have always promoted Gay4pay as part of their selling point but for a company like Next Door it is completely unnecessary for their products to promote it as gay4pay but just last week they promote 4 men as new "straight"models including promoting a video as "Totally Straight James Jameson's first time going down on a guy. This is TRUE Gay4pay." Why would they need to promote it that way especially considering the fact that Cocksure and Suite 703 had already released a number of videos showing him doing far more months ago? It doesn't matter if you filmed it first when you kept it in the vault for six months while he shot much better porn for other sites. They are also the only site have seen to it that has made an issue of his sexuality- as in they are promoting him as straight not that he is trying to promote himself that way. I'm sure they really wanted to promote Samuel O'toole the same way but he seems to be more open and vocal about his bisexuality.

In other words don't believe a word they say and don't buy any of the videos from companies you disagree with if you like a model then wait for them to work with another studio because even Next Door "exclusives" like Parker London work for other studios. There is plenty of good porn available without feeling like you help undermine gay performers while getting off.

I know that gay4pay will always exist but that doesn't mean we should ever tolerate homophobia from companies that want gay money while making sure to glorify straight men. I'm sorry but if the studio caters to straight model's whims over gay performers then they are homophobic by any self respecting gay man's definition. If the model can't do the job and be respectful to the people that the product is meant for then studios shouldn't be bending over backwards to use or promote them. Their are to many attractive men out their that will do the job and respect gay men regardless of their own sexuality.

 

[popperdude]

considering I direct some gay for pay porn, I think I have a pretty good insight as to how it's made and how that 20-minute scene you watch can take a LOT longer to capture. It's a long process and even the gay guys aren't necessarily "aroused" when they're shooting.. you're not having sex, you're putting on a performance. It's not like taking pictures at a birthday party.

Good to know Jasun. I didn't know you directed gay for pay porn. I'm sure there are many facets of it that I do not yet understand. I do know some gay 4 pay performers (amateur) and I have been talking to them about this subject because I think it's very interesting. Remember I'm just posting my opinions on the matter - I'm not saying THIS IS THIS AND THAT IS THAT! I'm completely open to info regarding the "technical" aspects of it as well as the psychological/psychosexual aspects. I believe sexuality is fluid - not black and white. But I see how my earlier posts could have been read that way. Like I said I think it's fascinating and I admit that I base my opinion on what I know and or believe - that's not to say it's the RIGHT way or the WRONG way. Sorry if that was unclear.

Thanks!

 

[MercuryJones]

Yes, it does. I feel less alone in the world. Being such a minority hurts. It's good to know that there are many like you in the world.

We don't all feel alone or hurt. Some of us are happy and confident and connected enough to not be hung up about what others like sexually.

 

[MercuryJones]

I don't understand how he remains aroused while fucking a GUY, getting fucked by GUYS, rimming GUYS, sucking dick, cum eating when he says he's straight. Clear?? Or do you need me to draw a diagram?

Imagination + friction + motivation. Being young helps too.

Many gay men have had sex with women. Most men effectively "have sex" with their own hands when they masturbate - doesn't mean they're aroused by hands.

 

[popperdude]

Imagination + friction + motivation. Being young helps too.

Many gay men have had sex with women. Most men effectively "have sex" with their own hands when they masturbate - doesn't mean they're aroused by hands.

Yeah I see your point - but still it's difficult for me to believe - NOT to say it isn't so. Maybe it's because I never had sex with a woman growing up - yada yada yada. I was strictly gay form day 1. So it's just foreign to me I guess. But hey I'm learning.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Good to know Jasun. I didn't know you directed gay for pay porn. I'm sure there are many facets of it that I do not yet understand. I do know some gay 4 pay performers (amateur) and I have been talking to them about this subject because I think it's very interesting. Remember I'm just posting my opinions on the matter - I'm not saying THIS IS THIS AND THAT IS THAT! I'm completely open to info regarding the "technical" aspects of it as well as the psychological/psychosexual aspects. I believe sexuality is fluid - not black and white. But I see how my earlier posts could have been read that way. Like I said I think it's fascinating and I admit that I base my opinion on what I know and or believe - that's not to say it's the RIGHT way or the WRONG way. Sorry if that was unclear.

Thanks!

I guess it's not fair for you to know that...you've only been here a month.

I'm Jasun and I work for Jake Cruise as VP of Marketing but one of my main perks is that I also direct for all three of his sites, mostly Cocksure Men. There was a time that I did virtually all of the directing for Cocksure Men but now that is split between me, John Tegan and on occasion, Anthony Duran will direct for us.

 

[popperdude]

I guess it's not fair for you to know that...you've only been here a month.

I'm Jasun and I work for Jake Cruise as VP of Marketing but one of my main perks is that I also direct for all three of his sites, mostly Cocksure Men. There was a time that I did virtually all of the directing for Cocksure Men but now that is split between me, John Tegan and on occasion, Anthony Duran will direct for us.

Ah ok. Well thanks for letting me know - and hello! Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

As far as performing issues go and using drugs to get through a scene, Phil Bradley (one of the best looking men ever to do porn) was on the GLBT PBS show IN THE LIFE around 6 years ago. Still a handsome man but had been struggling with drug and alcohol issues. He discussed his porn career and said for most of it he was fucked up on drugs and was doing it for drug money. He was still trying to come terms/make peace with his past and had a hard time discussing it. Sadly, his story wasn't uncommon with a lot of performers from that era (early mid 90's). The ones that came out of it or got their act together point their fingers at a few people who helped facilitate those addictions.

Meh... drug addicts will often blame someone else.

I'll tell you this... we don't work with people who have drug problems if we're in any way aware of it and have stopped working with models whose demeanor would suggest they have a problem.

There was a model we'd worked with who'd been in an IED attack in Iraq and had a big scar on his face and his mouth moved strangely. I saw people post horrible things about him saying "You can tell he's on Meth" or "look at his face... that's AIDS meds."

It hurt my soul to read that because he's such a sweet guy and didn't deserve to have those things said about him. But I didn't bother to engage them. It's none of their business.

 

[Allicide]

That is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. If someone doesn't "enjoy" something sexually, then they shouldn't do it. If you have to close your eyes and pretend you're somewhere else while doing something, you shouldn't do it.

And also, I feel HORRIBLE for the poor furniture. Even if all you can afford is build it yourself pressboard shit.

I think the poster was making a point about the fact that no attaction need be present for physical stimulation to take place. People can do lots of things they might not want to do for a whole lot less than a straight guy gets paid to rim another guy. The point is that even if you might think you wouldn't do a certain thing for any amount of money that doesn't mean the guy with a pregnant wife and rent that is three months past due is going to have such high standards.

The issue isn't that straight men are having gay sex it is that they then get on a camera or tape recorder and they have to make sure that gay men know how beneath them it was for them to have gay sex. That gay men may desire them and if the price is right they might fuck you but they would only "date" a woman.

It isn't their sexuality that is the problem it is the level of contempt they show for gay men when they make it obvious they aren't interested in giving a good performance and that the fact they claim to be straight is supposed to give them a pass. Then they make sure everyone knows they hated ever second, it made them vomit, or they had to take the money and buy thier girlfriend something to make it up to her and that is insulting.

 

[clicker]

That is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. If someone doesn't "enjoy" something sexually, then they shouldn't do it. If you have to close your eyes and pretend you're somewhere else while doing something, you shouldn't do it.

And also, I feel HORRIBLE for the poor furniture. Even if all you can afford is build it yourself pressboard shit.

Agreed. I wish more people had such a clear conscience.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

That is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. If someone doesn't "enjoy" something sexually, then they shouldn't do it. If you have to close your eyes and pretend you're somewhere else while doing something, you shouldn't do it.

And also, I feel HORRIBLE for the poor furniture. Even if all you can afford is build it yourself pressboard shit.

so you think that McDonald's employees aren't doing it for the money and prestige? You don't think Walmart doesn't take advantage of their staff's desperate need for money? you think that the guy who dresses up in a gorilla suit outside the tax office feels rewarded by his job?

There is a market, it's being catered to. That's all.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

My point is that a job is something that they pay you to do whether it's serve hamburgers for minimum wage or suck a dick for a lot MORE than minimum wage.

Saying "if you don't like having sex with guys, don't do it" can be compared to ""If you don't like serving coffee.. quit working at Starbucks." You still got a job to do.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

The two are not comparable. There's a big difference between having sex with someone and handing them a cup of coffee.

Is there?

You're doing something and getting paid for it. Something you might not be doing if you weren't being paid.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I think anyone will objectively say that while they are both things people get paid for, there is a huge difference between the two.

Maybe. But the motivation is still money and not "this is what i'd be doing anyway." Which is what we're talking about.

Are you really going to tell me that the models on your site and all the others have a job that is as common as working as a barista?

Of course not. We don't have a punch clock and models don't have to pay for their coffee.