Ethnicity and body hair

[medic1]

^I see what you did there.............

 

[ParisZ]

I have virtually no hair on my body (except the hair that you can see, brows and hair): I will, however, wax off the hair that grows in, just keeping it real. I-WAX-EVERYTHING. The boys love it, but I love it even more.

 

[geloge]

^ I think it was a general remainding to everyone not specifically for you.

And I must say I've been guilty in the past I would like to think I've calmed down a little

 

[dpnice]

Dpnice, the threads are still here. If you see something, say something. Point out the posts where I do this. Please. I could learn from your insights.

What I need you to STOP doing, however, is displaying friendly messages on public, while sending insulting ones in private. It's two-faced and rather cowardly. If you wanted to call me an asshole outright, you should've felt free to do that here and not in forum comments.

You misunderstand me or I was not clear enough in my reasons for quoting you. I thought your statement was excellent and reflected exactly what happens so frequently in HT. My criticism wasn't aimed at you personally but to all members who reply aggressively immediately they disagree with another's opinion or sexual preference.

Are you confusing me with someone else? Check your comments as I don't think I have ever called any member an asshole since I joined JUB.

 

[Gentleheart]

I think it's the faux-morality at the end of the day. Person x says rude shit about Group A, so person y responds by trashing Group B.

Did ALL of Group B need to be disrespected just to respond to Person x? No.

In these cases, Person y always acts like they just gave a warranted reaction to someone who disrespected them, but they disrespected a LOT of folks who had nothing against them in the process.

It's just unnecessary.

The faux-morality is your perception. Let it be known that when I say something here--especially in a thread like this, I'm just serving the "flip side" of the opinions being thrown about. If feelings are hurt indirectly, I'm sorry--but there are two sides (sometimes more) to every "I prefer this...x,y,z is gross" statement. I'm not trying to be anti-anything, or hurt anyone, or make anyone feel some kind of way.

I love ALL kinds of men. But when you throw out a comment about what you're disgusted by, don't be surprised when someone responds in kind. That's all I'm saying. No one is more of an "asshole" than the other.

 

[xbuzzerx]

My issue is this: What does that accomplish?

If a guy like this comes along and talks shit on smooth guys (which I am), I could get offended and respond by talking shit on hairy guys.

But somewhere on the other end of the forum there's a smooth guy and there's a hairy guy both reading all of this negativity for no reason at all.

I'm not saying we can't have preferences. But responding in kind to assholes like this doesn't make you an anti-asshole--it just makes you another asshole.

Personally, I think Carey kinda extends out his male model underwear and magazine created notion of how men look best into a 'universal' in many of his posts. But I also don't particularly care. He can chase after totally smooth guys, I'll never bump into him and we'll never be in competition for the same guys.

I do often see the same thing as Gentleheart where it's fine to bash body hair, it almost never comes as "I prefer it not to be at area x" and always comes more like "rug or back hair, BLECH!!" and people feel backed that their opinion is some kind of universal or objective fact because that's the image you see in movies and magazines most of the time. But then if people make similar comments about smooth it somehow turns into "an attack on a class of people."

We're discussing aesthetics and preferences, not classes of people.

 

[QueenxElsa]

Only place I don't like body hair is ass crack and feet

 

[eastofeden]

Personally, I think Carey kinda extends out his male model underwear and magazine created notion of how men look best into a 'universal' in many of his posts.

Yeah...this is common with a lot of people who think their opinion and personal taste in men are "facts" for everyone .....and that they can define beauty which is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE 100% OF THE TIME for anyone else but themselves. people do that with "God" too...

 

[carey579]

Yeah...this is common with a lot of people who think their opinion and personal taste in men are "facts" for everyone .....and that they can define beauty which is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE 100% OF THE TIME for anyone else but themselves. people do that with "God" too...

Did you not see the honking IMOs in every one of my posts? Having studied psychology I've learned not to generalize anything. I never said my opinions were facts, as an atheist I should know better.

Anyway there is a standard of beauty for a reason. There are certain universals and some people's taste are closer to that standard and some people's a bit further. And then there are some who'll find even the fattest, hairiest, oldest, ugliest, men/women sexy.

PS I'd like to add Michelangelo's David is clean shaven

 

[xbuzzerx]

Did you not see the honking IMOs in every one of my posts? Having studied psychology I've learned not to generalize anything. I never said my opinions were facts, as an atheist I should know better.

Anyway there is a standard of beauty for a reason. There are certain universals and some people's taste are closer to that standard and some people's a bit further. And then there are some who'll find even the fattest, hairiest, oldest, ugliest, men/women sexy.

PS I'd like to add Michelangelo's David is clean shaven

I don't agree. There was a study last year showing that a majority of heterosexual women consider male body hair attractive and a sign of masculinity.

The notion that "we see what we see in magazines and movies is because that's what most people prefer" is as troubled a conclusion as pointing to Justin Bieber's fame and saying "see, he must be hot."

Likewise, I think a lot of straight women compete on factors that really only are noticed or judged by other women--- and men largely don't even care about.

 

[carey579]

I don't agree. There was a study last year showing that a majority of heterosexual women consider male body hair attractive and a sign of masculinity.

The notion that "we see what we see in magazines and movies is because that's what most people prefer" is as troubled a conclusion as pointing to Justin Bieber's fame and saying "see, he must be hot."

Likewise, I think a lot of straight women compete on factors that really only are noticed or judged by other women--- and men largely don't even care about.

What study? And as if a 'study' with a few women proves anything. Actually it's almost always the women who don't like hairy bodies because they themselves don't have any.

There is this new wave of thinking in many men that they're being feminized by society and that shaving is a conspiracy by grooming products companies. The popularity of medieval shows like Game Of Thrones and the beard trend among Hollywood actors don't help either.

Also, you cannot compare Michelangelo's David which has stood the test of time to Justin Beiber's manufactured fame. You look throughout history and the ideal portrayal of male beauty will almost always be clean shaven men.

 

[xbuzzerx]

What study? And as if a 'study' with a few women proves anything. Actually it's almost always the women who don't like hairy bodies because they themselves don't have any.

As if your opinion and off-the-cuff broad social conclusions prove anything...?

There is this new wave of thinking in many men that they're being feminized by society and that shaving is a conspiracy by grooming products companies. The popularity of medieval shows like Game Of Thrones and the beard trend among Hollywood actors don't help either.

It's amazing how many men in ancient Sparta and Rome had access to whole-body waxes, according to Hollywood.

Also, you cannot compare Michelangelo's David which has stood the test of time to Justin Beiber's manufactured fame. You look throughout history and the ideal portrayal of male beauty will almost always be clean shaven men.

Or maybe it was simply a pain in the ass to chisel realistic body hair onto a piece of stone.

 

[silence]

I think this thread is offensive. There are people of all ethnicity's that are hairy and non-hairy. Why are gay people more obsessed with race/ethnicity than straight people? You'd think that since the gay community has been persecuted, they would have some understanding, but nope they're just as racist as everyone else.

 

[ParisZ]

carey579 - Could you please just calm down, please. Geez.

 

[carey579]

As if your opinion and off-the-cuff broad social conclusions prove anything...?

I'm still waiting for that study (even though it won't prove anything)

It's amazing how many men in ancient Sparta and Rome had access to whole-body waxes, according to Hollywood.

Or maybe it was simply a pain in the ass to chisel realistic body hair onto a piece of stone.

Michelangelo could have made David bearded but why didn't he? Again for the majority of people clean shaven is attractive.

From Antonius -

to Simon Nessman

 

[silence]

I'm still waiting for that study (even though it won't prove anything)



Michelangelo could have made David bearded but why didn't he? Again for the majority of people clean shaven is attractive.

I agree. Most people like clean shaven. Only bald people really need to have beards.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I'm still waiting for that study (even though it won't prove anything)

Why would it? It's not the opinion of Carey.

Michelangelo could have made David bearded but why didn't he? Again for the majority of people clean shaven is attractive.

Substantiation for this besides linking a few statues of Greek athletes who were young, and therefore depicted without facial hair to denote youth?

Also note the irony that after going into a huff over my statement that you expand your opinion out into the realm of universal objective fact, you proceed to do exactly that.

 

[silence]

Why would it? It's not the opinion of Carey.



Substantiation for this besides linking a few statues of Greek athletes who were young, and therefore depicted without facial hair to denote youth?

Also note the irony that after going into a huff over my statement that you expand your opinion out into the realm of universal objective fact, you proceed to do exactly that.

Buzzy, no offense but you seem to have the dreaded 'know it all' attitude that is making society decline. Know your place in life and stick to it.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Buzzy, no offense but you seem to have the dreaded 'know it all' attitude that is making society decline. Know your place in life and stick to it.

It's cool if we're never friends. We know how they rate for you.

 

[silence]

It's cool if we're never friends. We know how they rate for you.

We can be frenemies if you like.