Ethnicity and body hair

[xbuzzerx]

Still scraping the bottom I see anyway you're making the claim that my claim isn't true. Prove it!

Where is the hairy ass cover?

Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).

 

[medic1]

carey579, take a look at #149, now that is a gorgeous hairy arse....

 

[carey579]

Can't believe I'm actually taking the bait here, but here are a few examples off the top of my head:

James Franco's somewhat hairy ass in Flaunt:

Since you brought up the topic of art, Pinups is another magazine that leans more towards art.

That's the best you could search? Anyway where is the hair on Franco's cover? Plus you cannot compare the second one with Dolce & Gabbana renowned the world over and with the very top models.

PS That is one ugly man.

 

[carey579]

carey579, take a look at #149, now that is a gorgeous hairy arse....

I'd rather go celibate than have sex with an ape.

 

[xbuzzerx]

That's the best you could search? Anyway where is the hair on Franco's cover? Plus you cannot compare the second one with Dolce & Gabbana renowned the world over and with the very top models.

PS That is one ugly man.

All you are saying is that a small number of publications, and ones which YOU arbitrarily say "represent" the best authority on beauty (which is also debatable) favor one proscribed beauty standard.

That does not prove that is a universal beauty standard, that all people agree it is the most beautiful, that all cultures find it the most beautiful, or that it is not merely a contemporary beauty standard in popular imagery which has changed greatly over time.

Skinny women were never the beauty standard before Twiggy, for example.

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I'd rather go celibate than have sex with an ape.

Then get used to life as a monk because humans are all primates.

 

[carey579]

All you are saying is that a small number of publications, and ones which YOU arbitrarily say "represent" the best authority on beauty (which is also debatable) favor one proscribed beauty standard.

That does not prove that is a universal beauty standard, that all people agree it is the most beautiful, that all cultures find it the most beautiful, or that it is not merely a contemporary beauty standard in popular imagery which has changed greatly over time.

Skinny women were never the beauty standard before Twiggy, for example.

It is the universal beauty standard. I gave you examples of sex symbols from other cultures and time. I didn't even claim my opinion was absolute from the beginning. Just admit your taste are unconventional and we're done.

 

[xbuzzerx]

It is the universal beauty standard. I gave you examples of sex symbols from other cultures and time. I didn't even claim my opinion was absolute from the beginning. Just admit your taste are unconventional and we're done.

lol no it is not. I suppose you actually believe Hollywood movies are accurate when they show ancient Rome or ancient Greece and the men are all 100% waxed and shaved from nose to toe. I'd be surprised if any widescale male body shaving goes back further than the last two or three decades tops.

 

[carey579]

Yeah, that is the best I could come up with after googling for like 30 seconds.

The difference between your posts -

7:24 to 7:42

I think it took you a lot more than 30 seconds.

 

[carey579]

lol no it is not. I suppose you actually believe Hollywood movies are accurate when they show ancient Rome or ancient Greece and the men are all 100% waxed and shaved from nose to toe.

Oh no! I've seen this all over YouTube beard vs no beard videos these days. It's actually the straight men usually who hate Greek movies like Alexander because they think the producers are making up the gay scenes (for their gay propaganda )

I'd be surprised if any widescale male body shaving goes back further than the last two or three decades tops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaving

They shaved in ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, and it was a must for Native Americans.

Apparently,

Alexander the Great strongly promoted shaving during his reign in the 4th century BCE to avoid "dangerous beard-grabbing in combat", and because he believed it looked tidier.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

This thread hurts my head.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Oh no! I've seen this all over YouTube beard vs no beard videos these days. It's actually the straight men usually who hate Greek movies like Alexander because they think the producers are making up the gay scenes (for their gay propaganda )



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaving

They men shaved in ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, Native Americans.

Apparently,

And frequently within those very same societies beards were seen as a sign of manly maturity and wisdom-- which is why they are on so many statues.



I suppose when immortalizing the image of a Pharaoh they just arbitrarily wanted to make him look ugly. A final screw-you to the old king, ey?

Also note that I said body shaving. Not facial shaving. Facial shaving has in many contexts implications beyond beauty--- for example, the example you gave of Alexander feeling it made soldiers less vulnerable in a hand to hand fight as it didn't give the enemy something to grab onto. There were many cultures where women would cut or braid their hair tightly up around their head in combat situations for exactly the same reason. Likewise swimmers will shave (whole-body) and some bikers will for resistance reduction. That has utterly nothing to do with a beauty standard. It's functionality.

 

[medic1]

carey579, sorry i was gone for a few minutes, had to grab my seat and some..

No-one is arguing about your preference in men, only in your bias towards others, who have different tastes in men.
Was that simple enough for you to understand?

 

[carey579]

And frequently within those very same societies beards were seen as a sign of manly maturity and wisdom-- which is why they are on so many statues.

I suppose when immortalizing the image of a Pharaoh they just arbitrarily wanted to make him look ugly. A final screw-you to the old king, ey?

Also note that I said body shaving. Not facial shaving. Facial shaving has in many contexts implications beyond beauty--- for example, the example you gave of Alexander feeling it made soldiers less vulnerable in a hand to hand fight as it didn't give the enemy something to grab onto. There were many cultures where women would cut or braid their hair tightly up around their head in combat situations for exactly the same reason. Likewise swimmers will shave (whole-body) and some bikers will for resistance reduction. That has utterly nothing to do with a beauty standard. It's functionality.

I never said they shaved just for aesthetic purposes. You were the one claiming this -

I'd be surprised if any widescale male body shaving goes back further than the last two or three decades tops.

I just posted facts to say otherwise. That Pharaoh's coffin and statue was not meant to look ugly but it wasn't for beauty either. The portrayal of male beauty as always in art has been clean shaven which apparently is so hard for you to accept.

 

[xbuzzerx]

P.S. Philip of Macedon, Alexander's dad, was reputedly goodlooking and was such a womanizer AND man-izer that one lasting theory about his assassination was that it was done by a jilted male lover.



Who could have slept with such an ape?!

 

[xbuzzerx]

I just posted facts to say otherwise. That Pharaoh's coffin and statue was not meant to look ugly but it wasn't for beauty either. The portrayal of male beauty as always in art has been clean shaven which apparently is so hard for you to accept.

I'm sorry where do you pull this crap from? You just arbitrarily "decide" which statues or images were meant to depict beauty and which ones weren't.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I never said they shaved just for aesthetic purposes. You were the one claiming this -

Yes, right in the quote it says body shaving. Not face shaving.

 

[carey579]

I'm sorry where do you pull this crap from? You just arbitrarily "decide" which statues or images were meant to depict beauty and which ones weren't.

Says the guy who's posting Alexander's dad who was blind in one eye. And almost every gut no matter how old or unattractive had younger lovers - pederasty - in the ancient Greco Roman world.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Says the guy who's posting Alexander's dad who was blind in one eye. And almost every gut no matter how old or unattractive had younger lovers - pederasty - in the ancient Greco Roman world.

Philip was not murdered by a 13 year old pederasty partner. If he had there would be no controversy or conflicting theories about the assassin's motives. It was an adult male. Make more things up out of thin air.

 

[carey579]

Yes, right in the quote it says body shaving. Not face shaving.

Why didn't you specify then? Because this thread was about hairiness in general.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Why didn't you specify then? Because this thread was about hairiness in general.

What do you mean "why didn't I specify?" How much more specific did I need to be when I said "I doubt widescale male body shaving goes back more than two or three decades?"

Facial shaving throughout history has had functional purposes, hygiene purposes and status purposes. To reduce all of that to "really, secretly, everyone throughout all cultures even back to the ancient world were all in on the same knowledge that I, Carey579, have, that it is factually the better aesthetic look" is an enormous leap. There were many cultures where punishments for men involved cutting off their beards.

I can virtually guarantee that at least when you exclude the oddball cases guys who were doing any kind of body shaving in the past were doing it for some kind of functional purpose--- the wearing of armor or some other purpose. There was no magazine brainwashing everyone that they won't get a sex partner unless they wax their chest in 500 AD.