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arpeggi

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Two years ago my bf and I moved to Portland, Oregon from Iowa. We had been together for a year and a half at that point, and both knew a handful of former Iowans who had also relocated to Oregon that same year. We had a temporary living arrangement upon moving to Portland, had never lived together prior, and spent the first two months house-hunting. A lesbian couple of mine, who I adore, had moved to Eugene, Oregon earlier that year, and a mutual friend very close to them wanted to move out to Oregon as well, and since my bf and I were house-hunting, she called me to suggest living together: her, my bf, and I. Now, my bf and I didn't move here to be near these other people. We had both graduated from the University recently and were anxious to leave Iowa. We both agreed on Portland for a number of reasons, and he ended up having a job opportunity here. He always liked these friends of mine and we all hung out and got along very well, so we agreed to find a house with my friend from Iowa so we could split costs, etc.


For a number of reasons, this situation did not work out very well. The friend rarely paid rent on time, which my bf took charge of collecting, and it created a lot of stress. The couple in Eugene were not happy there and started planning to move up to Portland. Our new house had a very large finished basement which we simply did not have the means to fill with anything, and was basically a spare bedroom. The house has tons of space. So when one of the Eugene girls found a job in Portland on weekends, prior to moving, she would stay at our place so as not to commute 2 hours to and from Eugene. To everyone but my bf, this seemed like a fine arrangement that was not harming anyone, and was the least we could do to help a friend we love. My bf simply threw a fit about the whole thing and said some very rude things to her, making her feel unwelcome. He was very upset with me for not doing anything about it, though I thought he was wrong anyway. And issues with the roommate and rent just continued throughout the year of the lease. He and her developed a dislike for each other and would confront each other via text and e-mail, saying very nasty and offensive things.

Cue to a year later, and the roommate is set to move out the weekend after Thanksfiving and is quite unkind about the whole thing (deposit, accusations, etc.). We are invited to Thanksgiving at the lesbian couple's new Portland home, our roommate is there, and my bf drunkenly starts talking shit about her to some of their guests. Which I didn't find out about until the next day. She moves out. We essentially have no contact for several months. And I'm left with all of my friends avoiding me and not wanting to be around me because my bf is very critical, very opinionated, judgemental, and deliberately pushes peoples' buttons for the sake of argument. He's alienated them and it has impacted my relationships with them negatively.

Fast forward to May of this year. My mom dies, unexpectedly. I flew to Omaha and watched her die in the hospital and I now have zero parents (dad died when i was little). My bf was there for me the whole way and was very supportive and helped me deal with the financial consequences of her death, funeral, etc. My sister was of little help and is a wreck, so it was up to us to settle things. It was mostly a shock the first couple months but now it's quite depressing. These friends all brought by some flowers and a card when we got back to Portland, which was nice and thoughtful. I really felt like I had lost all my family, but lucky to have great friends whom I consider to be my Portland family. But I never see them since then. They text "Happy Birthday" and "Let's hang out", but that's it. When it comes to being present, and there for me, they've barely contacted me at all.

The past 2-3 months, my bf and I have been fighting quite a bit. Once a week at least. We took a couple road trips this summer: fought the whole time. Most weekends we end up arguing. He's just a very critical person and always has been, but I'm pretty much at my wit's end with it. He is endlessly critical, and I just can't take it anymore. Where I used to be agreeable and accepting, I'm now just fed up with it, so we argue. With being depressed about my mom, and my friends avoiding me without telling me why or seeming to care that I need them, I've just been very stressed out.

So, I called the lesbian couple, who I'm closest to, mostly for the purpose of learning WTF their problem is and why they lie to me about hanging out and avoid me. We meet for lunch, and they pretty much apologize and say they love me and miss me and want to spend time with me, but my bf is just so polarizing and stressful to be around, and says very rude things and antagonizes people, that they just can't deal with being around him. They've never said this to me before, and have failed to admit it to me after months of no contact aside from dropping off some flowers. They say they want my friendship but just can't handle being around him, and would understand if I'm upset with that and don't want their friendship anymore as a result. I left lunch in tears. My family is dead, my bf is a constant source of stress and my friends don't want to be around me because of him, even though I'm dealing with a death in the family.

I told them I know he can be difficult, and that these disagreements are things we can discuss. But they're not open to discussing. They need time. I can go over to their place and hang out with them, but they don't want to be around him.

So naturally, since they are close friends with the former roommate, she texts me and apologizes for not keeping in touch and she feels terrible about it and says she loves me and misses me. I don't know where she and I stand at all, and haven't spoken since her moving out, but tell her I'm open to meeting up for a drink. So yesterday, we did. We reconnect and agree that holding grudges is unhealthy and immature and we're both willing to move beyond our disagreements and everyone is at fault to a degree. She even insists she, unlike the couple, is fine being around my bf and doesn't want their beef with each other to affect our friendship. I was surprised and I was glad to hear it. Finally.

Then, I come home last night and tell my bf, and he flips out. He is fine with me reconnecting with the couple, but not the former roommate. He basically hates her and thinks they all talk shit about him together, but is her doing and she brought them against him. He was pissed I even met with her and does not want me to be friends with her again.

I just don't even know what to do with this.

Sorry for the length.
 
So sorry to hear of the loss of your mother, arpeggi. Also, sorry about the difficulty you are having in your relationship with your bf and close friends. It seems as though you have been able to square things around with your friends which is positive in nature, however, I think you have to have a heart to heart talk with your bf. His reactions and defiance toward you and your friends is not normal. Have you considered couples counseling? If not, you should and if he doesn't agree, go by yourself. You deserve better than how you are living at this point. Good luck and keep us informed.

Craiger
 
Okay I'm not sure where your boyfriend took a wrong step, but I can definitely see where you did.

Your guy was enthusiastic about renting to your friend until she turned out to be a useless leach who never paid on time. What created a lot of stress was not your boyfriend trying to get the rent, but the fact that this so-called friend was still in your lives at all. What would have relieved the stress was just evicting her. "Sorry it's not working out. This is my house with my guy. Your budgetary skills or your lack of respect or your financial incompetence or whatever is just not our problem any more. Have a nice life."

Your guy was probably counting on you to step up like that and probably baffled and confused and hurt if you didn't do that immediately after the first sign of trouble turned into a trend.

So then after this terrible disaster you decided to move two more people in? After you'd just been burned by one of their closest friends?

And that brings us to your line:
To everyone but my bf, this seemed like a fine arrangement that was not harming anyone

Who is this "to everyone but my bf?" Seriously?

If you're going to have a house together, he needs to feel comfortable in it. He gets an absolute veto over anyone but you staying there. There isn't a committee that votes and he just has to live with the outcome. Your boyfriend's opinion is the only one that matters when you're thinking of inviting someone else to live there. If he's grumpy and irritable, there are a lot of reasons under your control that explain why.

Honestly if I treated my guy the way you describe here, I would expect to be dumped. Rethink your commitment to him and step it up a notch.

And I'm sorry to hear about your mom.
 
OK, you BOTH have to feel comfortable in your home. He doesn't have the right to alienate your friends, nor does he have the right of veto over your shared space. He is not king and you are not required to bow to his every whim.

There is this thing called compromise, and while yes your partner is your priority, compromise is NOT just doing whatever he says and shutting out whoever he says just because he says so, nor does he have any right to expect that of you. You are his PARTNER not his doormat.

Frankly I suspect you need some time away from each other.
 
Sorry to hear of your mother's death but by now you should be pretty much over it.

I see you as always trying to be Mr. NiceGuy, wanting everyone to be happy and to get along. I would not be surprised if you exaggerate your BF's bad qualities. I can see your friends not liking him because he will draw a line; I get the feeling you are always trying to smooth things over and never call your friends up short.

For the time being I would work on the relationship with the BF, and let the friends slide. (And work to develop backbone.)

Hope it works out.

I may have missed it: who owns the house?
 
Okay I'm not sure where your boyfriend took a wrong step, but I can definitely see where you did.

Your guy was enthusiastic about renting to your friend until she turned out to be a useless leach who never paid on time. What created a lot of stress was not your boyfriend trying to get the rent, but the fact that this so-called friend was still in your lives at all. What would have relieved the stress was just evicting her. "Sorry it's not working out. This is my house with my guy. Your budgetary skills or your lack of respect or your financial incompetence or whatever is just not our problem any more. Have a nice life."

Your guy was probably counting on you to step up like that and probably baffled and confused and hurt if you didn't do that immediately after the first sign of trouble turned into a trend.

So then after this terrible disaster you decided to move two more people in? After you'd just been burned by one of their closest friends?

And that brings us to your line:


Who is this "to everyone but my bf?" Seriously?

If you're going to have a house together, he needs to feel comfortable in it. He gets an absolute veto over anyone but you staying there. There isn't a committee that votes and he just has to live with the outcome. Your boyfriend's opinion is the only one that matters when you're thinking of inviting someone else to live there. If he's grumpy and irritable, there are a lot of reasons under your control that explain why.

Honestly if I treated my guy the way you describe here, I would expect to be dumped. Rethink your commitment to him and step it up a notch.

And I'm sorry to hear about your mom.


The house is a rental and all three of us were on the lease. Also, he didn't want the roommate to leave because he felt that was letting her get off easy. She actually asked to sublease because she wasn't comfortable and knew it was not a great situation and he didn't want her to because he didn't want to deal with finding a replacement. There were many missteps by all of us.

We've discussed it at length and I have acknowledged that I should have done something about it early on. But this was over a year ago. In my mind, people need to get over shit and stop holding grudges and resenting each other. I think that's part of being an adult. There are people who care about me I can't be around because he refuses to make a mens. I'm not asking him to live with anyone again. I'm just trying to maintain relationships with people who care about me and who I care about.
 
Sorry to hear of your mother's death but by now you should be pretty much over it.

How "over it" do you think one is supposed to be? I'm stressed out in my relationship and don't have my mother to turn to. Naturally I would like to turn to my friends, but now that just brings even more stress into my relationship because of the situation I've already described. Having no one around for support has just been a harsh reminder of my mother's death.
 
Your bf should not tell you who you can or can't talk or be friend to.
 
Your bf should not tell you who you can or can't talk or be friend to.

Agreed.

But either guy in a relationship always gets a veto over who gets to also live there, especially when they are manipulative or deadbeats, etc. If I had friends like that, I would have no grounds to expect my boyfriend to get along with them. And if they were that bad, I would have no grounds being surprised if he questioned my judgment for maintaining those relationships.

You just can't make your boyfriend live with someone that makes him uncomfortable. It isn't fair if you're serious about your relationship. It shouldn't even be a consideration.
 
If you have to ask his permission who you can talk to and be friend with ... better get out.
Its a master and slave situation.
 
You might not be compatible with this guy. The red flag for me...he is endlessly critical of everything and you end up arguing all the time. This would be the dealbreaker for me...I have to avoid people like that.

Are you OK with that quality in a man?
 
Agreed.

But either guy in a relationship always gets a veto over who gets to also live there, especially when they are manipulative or deadbeats, etc. If I had friends like that, I would have no grounds to expect my boyfriend to get along with them. And if they were that bad, I would have no grounds being surprised if he questioned my judgment for maintaining those relationships.

You just can't make your boyfriend live with someone that makes him uncomfortable. It isn't fair if you're serious about your relationship. It shouldn't even be a consideration.

I didn't make him do anything. I didn't expect him to live with someone he didn't want to. He agreed to sign a lease with my friend. He did not dispute that prior to signing and several months later when that friend wanted to move out, he didn't want to let that happen.
Which is moot, by the way. I'm not interested in placing blame from those issues that are nearly a year old. I'm interested in maintaining relationships with people I care about, who have essentially avoided me because of how uncomfortable they are around him. And he gets upset when finding out I simply meet them for a drink. I just think it's unhealthy to harbor resentment and disdain for people, particularly when it negatively impacts your loved one's ability to maintain other relationships.
This isn't the first time people have told me he is alienating and "difficult". He pushes buttons deliberately to provoke argument and get people excited. I've excused this behavior and allowed him to be himself for three years. But at this point, when it keeps me from maintaining relationships I cherish, and also creates tension and fights between the two of us regardless of other people (which it does, hence the fighting), I'm not just going to shut up and say "well, he's my partner. Gotta respect his feelings at the expense of friendships and healthy relationships with other people". I'm not going to choose between him or friends. I refuse to be put there. And yes, as was said earlier, I do want everyone to be happy. It's a hard fucking job, and admittedly impossible feat much of the time. I know it isn't happening here. I know I'm not going to get to hang out with these friends and him together regularly, if ever at all. I may have been naive to expect that to happen. But I'm not just gong to throw people out of my life because they can't handle my boyfriend who often deliberately makes them feel uncomfortable and can't seem to refrain from saying provocative and offensive things to people. I will hang out with them once in awhile, without him, and he's gong to deal with it.
 
.... I'm not going to choose between him or friends. I refuse to be put there. And yes, as was said earlier, I do want everyone to be happy. It's a hard fucking job, and admittedly impossible feat much of the time. I know it isn't happening here. I know I'm not going to get to hang out with these friends and him together regularly, if ever at all. I may have been naive to expect that to happen. But I'm not just gong to throw people out of my life because they can't handle my boyfriend who often deliberately makes them feel uncomfortable and can't seem to refrain from saying provocative and offensive things to people. I will hang out with them once in awhile, without him, and he's gong to deal with it.

Best of luck! You'll need it.
 
You might not be compatible with this guy. The red flag for me...he is endlessly critical of everything and you end up arguing all the time. This would be the dealbreaker for me...I have to avoid people like that.

Are you OK with that quality in a man?

I've considered this very many times. I love him and we talk about buying a house and supporting each other. He really does have many redeeming qualities. Had we fought like this earlier on, I would not likely have continued the relationship. But we've been together three an a half years. We do have fun. Sex is often great. We love each other. Compatible? I'm not sure anymore. I've been back and forth. One month I really just don't want to be around him. The next is great and I love him immensely. Except now it's more weekly, maybe even more frequently.

He wants to try couples counseling. Which I was initially reluctant to do, but now I've pretty much exhausted my ability to rationally deal with our disagreements. I feel pretty defeated. Very burnt out to where I can't really even begin an argument without walking away because I know it's going nowhere.

Relationship, boys... they're tough.
 
The trouble is it's not moot. You're talking about "maintaining healthy relationships with other people" but what you have is "toxic relationships with people who used you that you refused to deal with and still don't want to." At least from your boyfriend's point of view.

Like I said, if these were my friends I'd have no grounds whatsoever to expect my boyfriend to even smile at them after what they did. If they were his friends and he still wanted to hang around them, I'd find it painful to watch, frustrating, and even a bit insulting that he'd put them on the same level of importance as me, when I'm the one who cares for him, works damn hard to pay the bills, and doesn't go around sponging off other people because if I did that, I couldn't hold my head up or look him in the eye. I do all those things for my guy. I would expect his friends to do the same. If he told me "Yeah none of that matters, it's all water under the bridge. Why are you so grumpy when I hang out with them?" I would be just amazed, and obviously not in a good way.

The difference is, it seems like you care so much about everyone being happy you forget that somebody might have behaved badly enough that they don't get to be part of the happiness any more.

Your friends burnt the bridges with your boyfriend and he just does not have to rebuild them.
 
I empathize very much with your situation. You are torn in two directions and it can't be fun. I don't think your partner has the right to demand you stop seeing your friends. He may not like them and they may not like him but it's your choice if you want to see them or not. His hyper critical behavior of other people may be a pattern you'll have to endure as long as you're with him. Some people are just like that. They cannot forgive, They cannot move forward. They find fault in everyone. Your choice is whether that is acceptable behavior or not.
Have you guys made new friends in Portland? How is he reacting to them? Is it just this group of friends he is having trouble with? Only the future will tell.
 
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