Good article glad to see a Canadian journalist not afraid to call out women who lie about rape like the three liars in the Jian Ghomeshi trial recently. This feminist myth that the public should automatically believe a woman who claims she is a victim of rape must end. Naomi Wolf an American feminist also said she believes rape victims should no longer be anonymous and women need to grow up. If a woman says a man raped her identity should not be hidden. Link:http://thestarphoenix.com/opinion/c...st-ghomeshi-accusers-torpedoed-their-own-ship Naomi Wolf article Link: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jan/05/julian-assange-sex-crimes-anonymity
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Excellent Article: Women Lie About Rape In Jian Ghomeshi Trial Judge Says They Are Dishonest and Deceptive
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This person says something similar
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...p/news-story/95375f1ae56eb3e8dc6cbebbbde7152e
Good article nice to see Stephen Fry speak out about these kinds of issues.
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This man is showing his face
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...LTY-attacker-deported-man-suffer-Somalia.html
People lie under oath all the time, for a myriad of reasons.
Nice of you to make a mockery of actual rape victims, female. People do get raped, nothing sexual in it, it is all about power and control.
I do believe in keeping the identities anonymous, before and during trial. For the defendant as well as the accuser.
Nice of you to make a mockery of actual rape victims, female. People do get raped, nothing sexual in it, it is all about power and control.
I do believe in keeping the identities anonymous, before and during trial. For the defendant as well as the accuser.
The biggest problem is that if a guy gets falsely accused of rape and is found innocent, his life is still ruined forever as if he actually did it. This whole attitude is the reason why so many women make false rape accusations; if they're found out to be a liar, they get let off the hook, but the life of the guy accused is destroyed no matter what. To them, it's an easy way of getting back at a guy that she doesn't like.
This mocks and belittles actual rape victims. More and more people are taking notice of false rape accusations, so when a real victim comes along, some people aren't as inclined to believe them... blame the false rape accusers, not those who notice the high number of false accusations.
Also, if a guy gets raped, his best case scenario is that everyone laughs in his face and tells him to "suck it up, princess". That needs to change too. No one takes male rape victims seriously, or male victims of domestic abuse...
Also, watch me get called misogynist for saying this. Just wait.
This mocks and belittles actual rape victims. More and more people are taking notice of false rape accusations, so when a real victim comes along, some people aren't as inclined to believe them... blame the false rape accusers, not those who notice the high number of false accusations.
Also, if a guy gets raped, his best case scenario is that everyone laughs in his face and tells him to "suck it up, princess". That needs to change too. No one takes male rape victims seriously, or male victims of domestic abuse...
Also, watch me get called misogynist for saying this. Just wait.
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@Saskaguy,
I wouldn't say the biggest problem is a false accusation of rape. The biggest problem would be rape. 'Their life is now ruined' my ass. Of the two, one is significantly more difficult. People are investigated routinely as part of their job qualifications or history with a subject - having someone rifle through your past isn't that type of traumatic. Nor is taking a blow to your ego in that manner the end of the world - you make it sound like no-one gets accused of heinous shit they haven't done before.
Take your 'it's an insult to rape victims!' and put a bow or something on it, it's not masquerading as care the way it was once able to. Call it a lack of belief and then perhaps check out why people are calling your views misogyny. It isn't cuz you're a cut above the rest viewpoint wise and they're just jealous.
One second, there's a list here somewhere....it isn't like Morrissey et-al brings up new shit about this topic - or that you bring up new shit for the topic at hand, come to that -
Aha, there we go. If you want male victims taken more seriously perhaps you should stop pissing on the female ones by claiming 'high false accusations' and 'lives ruined' (but never the rape victim's lives, people are o-so-careful about that. There's a list, and if you manage to hit all the checkboxes of Legitimate Rape' you still get dumped in the bin of "Well, what did you expect, rly".
Nothing tells victims (of rapists or otherwise) "I'm here for you!" like saving discussions of non-consent, law, accusations and social opinion by always focusing that mra-laser-like scrutiny on 'saving' the handful of people who didn't do anything - as opposed to all those untested rape kits, the lack of taking reports and general treatment of rape victims. Saving was in deliberate quotations, as there's particular history around that aspect when shoving other intersections in. You'll notice only some people seem to deserve saving - and it generally settles on intrinsic shit, though, not always.
Where's your high number of false accusations, by the way? The data go anywhere from two to ten percent. I suspect the number just fluctuates around the middle, ect ect. So, five out of every hundred people, roughly speaking.
That's a lot now, is it? While the rest of it continues to get painted as 'justice being done', despite few arrests, fewer prosecutions and very, very few convictions, you're worried that the handful of innocents might be judged 'just as harshly' in a social atmosphere as actual rapists. I notice jail wasn't mentioned for all that - so it isn't jail you're worried about. Just social perception after they walk.
Well, few worries there, no one gives a shit about actual consequences for rape! So no need to worry your pretty little head about those nasty social implications after a favored celebrity gets accused. Not much'll happen, all things considered.
I wouldn't say the biggest problem is a false accusation of rape. The biggest problem would be rape. 'Their life is now ruined' my ass. Of the two, one is significantly more difficult. People are investigated routinely as part of their job qualifications or history with a subject - having someone rifle through your past isn't that type of traumatic. Nor is taking a blow to your ego in that manner the end of the world - you make it sound like no-one gets accused of heinous shit they haven't done before.
Take your 'it's an insult to rape victims!' and put a bow or something on it, it's not masquerading as care the way it was once able to. Call it a lack of belief and then perhaps check out why people are calling your views misogyny. It isn't cuz you're a cut above the rest viewpoint wise and they're just jealous.
One second, there's a list here somewhere....it isn't like Morrissey et-al brings up new shit about this topic - or that you bring up new shit for the topic at hand, come to that -
Aha, there we go. If you want male victims taken more seriously perhaps you should stop pissing on the female ones by claiming 'high false accusations' and 'lives ruined' (but never the rape victim's lives, people are o-so-careful about that. There's a list, and if you manage to hit all the checkboxes of Legitimate Rape' you still get dumped in the bin of "Well, what did you expect, rly".
Nothing tells victims (of rapists or otherwise) "I'm here for you!" like saving discussions of non-consent, law, accusations and social opinion by always focusing that mra-laser-like scrutiny on 'saving' the handful of people who didn't do anything - as opposed to all those untested rape kits, the lack of taking reports and general treatment of rape victims. Saving was in deliberate quotations, as there's particular history around that aspect when shoving other intersections in. You'll notice only some people seem to deserve saving - and it generally settles on intrinsic shit, though, not always.
Where's your high number of false accusations, by the way? The data go anywhere from two to ten percent. I suspect the number just fluctuates around the middle, ect ect. So, five out of every hundred people, roughly speaking.
That's a lot now, is it? While the rest of it continues to get painted as 'justice being done', despite few arrests, fewer prosecutions and very, very few convictions, you're worried that the handful of innocents might be judged 'just as harshly' in a social atmosphere as actual rapists. I notice jail wasn't mentioned for all that - so it isn't jail you're worried about. Just social perception after they walk.
Well, few worries there, no one gives a shit about actual consequences for rape! So no need to worry your pretty little head about those nasty social implications after a favored celebrity gets accused. Not much'll happen, all things considered.
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-that said, I do have other things to do today. There's only so many "How are you being a misogynistic, creepy fuckin' ass" convos I can have in a week, particularly when you just complained about getting called such before it actually occurred. It's like seeing "I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic, but...."
It's just....like, dude, stop right there. That sentence structure shit never ends well. And you know you're walking into it. While Morrissey's pretty damned dim, you at least have some sort of lightbulb floating around your noggin. Even if it tends to blow out at the most inconvenient times. I'd say it attention seeking, maybe a "Lookit Me! Lookit Me!" behavior but I was never that great at separating someone else's navel gazing over issues they're unlikely to experience from their views on such - they often blend so seemlessly it's wasted effort to try.
The shorter version, I suppose, then;
Did you want people going over your crappy reasoning with a fine toothed comb because you wanted to complain about the concept of misogyny for half a second (nothing says 'put upon' like bringing up a topic yourself, after all) or did you just wanna commiserate with Morrissey?
If it's commisseration, he'd prolly appreciate the circle-jerk in a pm.
It's just....like, dude, stop right there. That sentence structure shit never ends well. And you know you're walking into it. While Morrissey's pretty damned dim, you at least have some sort of lightbulb floating around your noggin. Even if it tends to blow out at the most inconvenient times. I'd say it attention seeking, maybe a "Lookit Me! Lookit Me!" behavior but I was never that great at separating someone else's navel gazing over issues they're unlikely to experience from their views on such - they often blend so seemlessly it's wasted effort to try.
The shorter version, I suppose, then;
Did you want people going over your crappy reasoning with a fine toothed comb because you wanted to complain about the concept of misogyny for half a second (nothing says 'put upon' like bringing up a topic yourself, after all) or did you just wanna commiserate with Morrissey?
If it's commisseration, he'd prolly appreciate the circle-jerk in a pm.
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I am not familiar with the court systems in other countries, in the USA the accused is never found innocent. He is either found guilty or not guilty if a verdict is achieved. He is presumed innocent and the burden lies with the prosecution to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
I sat on a jury one time in a rape case. It would have been easy to arrive at a verdict had the two parties not been acquainted, they were however an estranged husband and wife. Two people who'd had prior sexual relations. A witness, the victims father walked in on them, he stated that he assumed that they were back together, as this had happened before.
The judge explained reasonable doubt to us in this way, "something that gives you a reason to doubt". So, she claimed she didn't give consent, he claimed that she did.
The classic he said, she said scenario.
We found him guilty, she had bruises on her arms because he had held her down, we saw the pictures. Violence and force were used,
without the pictures I could not have voted for his conviction.
I sat on a jury one time in a rape case. It would have been easy to arrive at a verdict had the two parties not been acquainted, they were however an estranged husband and wife. Two people who'd had prior sexual relations. A witness, the victims father walked in on them, he stated that he assumed that they were back together, as this had happened before.
The judge explained reasonable doubt to us in this way, "something that gives you a reason to doubt". So, she claimed she didn't give consent, he claimed that she did.
The classic he said, she said scenario.
We found him guilty, she had bruises on her arms because he had held her down, we saw the pictures. Violence and force were used,
without the pictures I could not have voted for his conviction.
the feminist culture has allowed this type of victimization game to go on. abortions, allegations of rape, divorce, etc. women cannot hold themselves to moral standards on their own, when left to 'police themselves' they end up degrading culture.
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It's all well and good to pontificate that rape victims should not feel shame, but that is itself a sexist thing to say.
There is humiliation in being raped. It doesn't go away just because it shouldn't be there.
And victims don't want to be notorious or scandalized. Our society protects children from undue publicity when involved in crime. It is no extraordinary thing to ask that rape victims, male or female, be protected from yellow journalism.
There is humiliation in being raped. It doesn't go away just because it shouldn't be there.
And victims don't want to be notorious or scandalized. Our society protects children from undue publicity when involved in crime. It is no extraordinary thing to ask that rape victims, male or female, be protected from yellow journalism.
Your constant push that women lie about rape in general is pretty deplorable.
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It IS getting clearer and clearer now....you are NOT a Progressive..or a Liberal.
I suspected as much...you sound just like the Republican shills...
Funny...you would fit right in with the Silicon Valley Hipsters who call themselves Bern Bros...sexist mofos.....embarrassing how clueless they are to it.
I think they hate the 1% because they aren't part of it. Don't laugh.....the hippies who hated the establishment ...well.....so many of them became everthing they hated......
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His general misogyny is pretty appalling.
It makes you wonder what happened to some guys that left them so damaged.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
When Kobe Bryant was accused most people I knew had him convicted, they knew that he did "it". I can't tell you how often some one would mutter "no means no".
When an accusation happens I think it's wise to ask if their could be a motive involved. Money, revenge and mental illness come to my mind.
It has to be dealt with on a case by case basis, yes there is humiliation with rape, there is also victimhood, a place that many seem to crave these days.
When Kobe Bryant was accused most people I knew had him convicted, they knew that he did "it". I can't tell you how often some one would mutter "no means no".
When an accusation happens I think it's wise to ask if their could be a motive involved. Money, revenge and mental illness come to my mind.
It has to be dealt with on a case by case basis, yes there is humiliation with rape, there is also victimhood, a place that many seem to crave these days.
No you are deplorable and obviously did not read the articles about the Ghomeshi case. The judge said the three women were dishonest and manipulative. He also mentioned one lady Lucy Decouture and another witness exchanged 5000 Facebook messages which is clear collusion. The judge also criticized the women for lying under oath they lied about email exchanges with Ghomeshi and they also lied to the police. The women should be charged with perjury and wasting Ontario taxpayers money on this case. Plenty of women lie especially when it involves a high profile man. Jian Ghomeshi is a celebrity in Canada and his reputation is destroyed. I am glad Ghomeshi is suing the CBC for millions.
And your general white knight attitude and misandry is appalling. Sometimes I wonder about you beta gay males who think feminists give no shit about gay men. Why would you care about people who have a hatred for men? It seems to me some gay men still buy into the sexist bullshit that women are victims and they need to be protected. So women are angels? Get into the real world some women are petty and lame like Lucy Decouture who wasted tax payers money because Jian Ghomeshi wasn't into her.
Exactly feminism in the west is about a bunch of privileged women who want to pretend they are victimized it is such bullshit! And the worst offenders are white women they are a joke. In the western world white women are not victims. Feminism is all about women acting like children refusing to be accountable for their own actions. Feminism is an excuse for women not being responsible.