Final Cry To Those Who Love The God Of Abraham

[Ambrocious]

Greetings to you throughout all of the earth who struggle with homosexuality and to you who are homosexual alike and are indeed involved in it. May the love of Jesus Christ be with you and the firm correctness of your ways be made known unto you that the day of His return may not be rendered useless against you.

I come before you as you yourself are and openly gay without any hatred in my heart against you. It has been pressed heavily onto my heart by the Holy Spirit to deliver a message to all who still love the Lord Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father to remove yourself from amongst the sanctuary of idol sin and the calmness of the pleasant attack in the form of sexual immorality.

I do not come to you here with boastings of how I conquered homosexuality because I still do have thoughts that condemn me and I know that it is not acceptable to the Lord God Almighty. To you who would read this an know not of the spirit of which I speak of or why I try to do so, I ask that you bear with my sufferings in which I present before you in a firm manner that you may not feel offended for this massage is mainly for those who yet still love Jesus our Lord and secondly for any who want truth. For the sake of letting you know beforehand, this is not a so called "flame" thread for those of you who take it as such.




The days are indeed darker by nature and the cunning portrayal of the light has been made into darkness by the lawlessness of the world. Even as I write this I fear that the immediate destruction of this planet is on our threshold and I say this with absolute sincerity of heart. The scheme's of the evil ones who rule the world who was given power by Satan are in the final phases in bringing forth a world government but before all of this, there shall come a great calamity in which the likes this world will have not been ready to behold.

Many will be rounded up and enter into the buildings of death and the ones who have plotted against the Holy Covenant will dash to pieces the standing laws of many countries within few days. The plan as seen in the eyes of the wicked will seem as if a great good is about to enter but know this, you children of the Most High, God's wrath will become evident soon in which no man may able to speak against.

The puppets of the shadows in which govern the world will not be made full aware of the great betrayal of the Holy things of God until it is finished with but even so, many will continue into unrighteousness and be utterly destroyed by those that empowered them

A dark shroud is in place for the coming days that many will fall into a sleep of not understanding and will utterly become slaves into the coming times ahead. The ones who will listen to Him who sits on his throne from eternity shall judge righteously and those who had sought the truth of the Lord of Lords will be spared from the coming wrath.

This is how you will know the great deceit that will control all of the inhabited earth, and that it will be made real in the hours ahead in which ALL mankind will be required to take it. Into the Holy Scriptures and in the book of Revelations 13:16-19 it is made true that all who will take this mark will be cut off from the presence of the Lord.

I have came here knowing that I will be ridiculed and made fun of and knowing the will of my Heavenly Father and that it is more important than anything left on earth. I pray that you will seek the truth and find it quickly. We have little time left until everything is done.

 

[Txgoodoldboy]

I do not come to you here with boastings of how I conquered homosexuality because I still do have thoughts that condemn me and I know that it is not acceptable to the Lord God Almighty.

I think you might be comforted by thinking of love, grace, and mercy. Let God take care of his business. No one knows, when the second coming will be, but God. Live as if everyday is the second coming.

If God is love, then you have nothing to worry about.

You might want to check out these verses. Matthew 25:31-46 (NRSV)

 

[bankside]

You came here expecting ridicule and mockery; I hope you will find instead the compassion denied to you by what I believe to be an empty heaven.

I don't hate you or revel in anyone's suffering, least of all yours - I just disagree with you.

When you are done crying for what is imperfect, exhausted in your tears, I hope you will find a deep breath of fresh air and an awareness that these grim visions of death and wrath and intrigue are not the way to understanding. Mourning the imperfections or the injustices of our society does not make real the idea of Satan or God.

Apocalypse is a nightmare - a waking nightmare apparently for some, but of no substance whatsoever like any other dream. It is worrisome that anyone would view the world through that nightmare; the world obscured by an interposed vision of capricious wrath, devoid of compassion, devoid of reason or justice, and in every way that you describe it, a reign of dictatorial terror unworthy of anything but contempt. I worry for one who sees the world through that distorted lens, but I also worry for what will become of the world if we are taken in by that vision.

Look around you. Go to a park. Sniff a flower. Thank a bus driver. Pick up some litter. Apologise to someone. Donate to a scholarship fund Any one of those things makes a small difference, but it is profoundly and substantively better than worrying about 2000 year old preaching that is transparently designed to prey on our fears and hopes.

 

[Haberdashery]

You came here expecting ridicule and mockery; I hope you will find instead the compassion denied to you by what I believe to be an empty heaven.

I don't hate you or revel in anyone's suffering, least of all yours - I just disagree with you.

When you are done crying for what is imperfect, exhausted in your tears, I hope you will find a deep breath of fresh air and an awareness that these grim visions of death and wrath and intrigue are not the way to understanding. Mourning the imperfections or the injustices of our society does not make real the idea of Satan or God.

Apocalypse is a nightmare - a waking nightmare apparently for some, but of no substance whatsoever like any other dream. It is worrisome that anyone would view the world through that nightmare; the world obscured by an interposed vision of capricious wrath, devoid of compassion, devoid of reason or justice, and in every way that you describe it, a reign of dictatorial terror unworthy of anything but contempt. I worry for one who sees the world through that distorted lens, but I also worry for what will become of the world if we are taken in by that vision.

Look around you. Go to a park. Sniff a flower. Thank a bus driver. Pick up some litter. Apologise to someone. Donate to a scholarship fund Any one of those things makes a small difference, but it is profoundly and substantively better than worrying about 2000 year old preaching that is transparently designed to prey on our fears and hopes.

You don't believe in the bible and that's your opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is wrong.

U say take a breath of fresh air. I say there is no fresh air cos it's polluted by dollar driven industry.

U worry of what will become of the world by people looking at it thru apocalyptic scripture. I worry about what the world has become. And u only have to glance at it to see that the whole thing is going down the toilet.

Perhaps u live in a Himalayan cave? Cos the world I live in is turning to shit. You talk about fresh air, flowers, bus drivers. It sounds poetic but it doesn't exist.

What does exist is greed, corruption, love of money and power, and the American empire who wants to conquer the planet. Although most of these bad things have always existed, the difference is that the world now has the technologies to roll out this plan on a global scale.

I'm not mourning for the world. I'm just standing back, watching the freak show and just waiting for it all to burn.

 

[Haberdashery]

Well aren't you ray of sunshine. If the world is so awful why do you bother sticking around at all?

You're right, I am a ray of sunshine. Intelligent of you to have recognised that. And your question seems to imply that the world is doing just fine and/or that I'm just a doomsdayer with an IQ of 45

I stick around because I like being alive. The fabric of the world is fucked but as I'm not a part of that fabric then I'm quite happy with living. I've grown to understand the meaning of Jesus' - youre in the world not of the world.

 

[TX-Beau]

What exactly is your point? Why does this thread exist?

 

[Alpha1851]

Just what I need, another "Christian" who's pointing the finger at the sin of homosexuality.

Please stop. You're making it so much harder on the religious folks who really do want to reach out to the gay community, who really do believe in equality, who really are outraged when other "Christians" spout out hatred, who really do believe that homosexuality is not a sin. Keep in mind, that for every Bible verse you can point that might suggest homos are bound for Hell, I can find one showing that GOD loves us all and even in the Old Testament, the LORD favored a couple of men who were pretty much getting it on (hello Jonathan and David).

If you're truly interested in sharing GOD's love w/ LGBT folks, why not start w/in your own church instead of on an online forum? If you hear your brethren touting the sins of homosexuality, be sure to correct them. If your church has educational programs, suggest they cover homosexuality and bullying in schools. Discuss what individuals can do to help. If your church does volunteer work, suggest that they spend some time concentrating on orgs that assist LGBT people. If there's a local LGBT club in your area, why not join it and see if other church members are interested in joining too.

 

[Lukeee]

This thread scares me.

 

[bankside]

You don't believe in the bible and that's your opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is wrong.

Yes, I understand that we are all here exchanging opinions. I'm not sure why that is particularly significant that you would comment on it. You wrote your opinion in English. That quote has 18 words. In your whole reply the letter "n" appears 50 times.

Oh, and also, I live in Canada. And don't worry about Americans taking over the world - we're just not being taken over!

I'm not mourning for the world. I'm just standing back, watching the freak show and just waiting for it all to burn.

There is hope and joy and love in the here-and-now, but the world is a poorer place because of the cynical disengagement and fantasy reward-seeking behaviour represented by your comment. Apathy, about things that really can be done to make the world a better place, may not be a sin in the superstitions of religion, but it is a historical sin. Indeed it is not just apathy, but a perverse kind of pleasure from the idea of the world being destroyed. It is unsound.

Haberdashery, I think bankside was trying to outline that life is short and that the best of it is made through finding the joy around you, amidst the chaos, and I agree with him (reference to last paragraph).

Yup, on a practical level, and I believe that is all there is to it.

But I did want to make another point; I think any claims about the reality of divinity are empty.

And one other point; on the level of ethics, the way some people conceive of the gods they assume to be real, is so twisted that if it were actually true I would call for a resistance movement to the divine tyranny.

It's hard sometimes, but when you just take a step back and find something beautiful in what seems not-so-beautiful, your life really does change for the better. Positivity goes a long way and does great things for anyone.

Of course, greed, corruption, etc. exist. That's our world, but we don't fall prey to it when we counter it with what is good. In my opinion it's not worth it, plus, I'm pretty sure there have been others that have been waiting for the freak show for thousands of years.

Maybe it's me, but the last two years have led me to realize that I'm in control of my life, and I'm the one who can change it for the better or worse. I acknowledged the greed and corruption once, and let it go to find my own happiness.

And on this pragmatic path to happiness, wonder, understanding, and humility before the resplendent reality of the universe, I wish you a wonderful journey.

 

[Haberdashery]

Yes, I understand that we are all here exchanging opinions. I'm not sure why that is particularly significant that you would comment on it. You wrote your opinion in English. That quote has 18 words. In your whole reply the letter "n" appears 50 times.

Oh, and also, I live in Canada. And don't worry about Americans taking over the world - we're just not being taken over!



There is hope and joy and love in the here-and-now, but the world is a poorer place because of the cynical disengagement and fantasy reward-seeking behaviour represented by your comment. Apathy, about things that really can be done to make the world a better place, may not be a sin in the superstitions of religion, but it is a historical sin. Indeed it is not just apathy, but a perverse kind of pleasure from the idea of the world being destroyed. It is unsound.



Yup, on a practical level, and I believe that is all there is to it.

But I did want to make another point; I think any claims about the reality of divinity are empty.

And one other point; on the level of ethics, the way some people conceive of the gods they assume to be real, is so twisted that if it were actually true I would call for a resistance movement to the divine tyranny.



And on this pragmatic path to happiness, wonder, understanding, and humility before the resplendent reality of the universe, I wish you a wonderful journey.

Umm the whole my opinion / your opinion thing was a bit over the top so I'm sorry. And I hope u also have a good journey, especially in health

 

[prudyprudestein]

Seems like someone has been at an ex gay meeting a bit too long. I fear for the individuals who claim to have conquered homosexuality and then gives some kind of prophetic message. The true message of christianity is that God loves each one of us and does not condemn us. We are commanded to love God and love others. My belief is that if we take time loving others and understanding others, we can make our world a better place in the hear and now. What good is to believe that sometime in the next life everything will be better? What about making our present world a better place and when we get to the next life we'll be glad that we made a difference.

 

[Haberdashery]

Seems like someone has been at an ex gay meeting a bit too long. I fear for the individuals who claim to have conquered homosexuality and then gives some kind of prophetic message. The true message of christianity is that God loves each one of us and does not condemn us. We are commanded to love God and love others. My belief is that if we take time loving others and understanding others, we can make our world a better place in the hear and now. What good is to believe that sometime in the next life everything will be better? What about making our present world a better place and when we get to the next life we'll be glad that we made a difference.

If you're speaking of the god of the bible then parts of your post are inaccurate. Where you say that god does not condemn then how do you explain hell? And if he loves everyone then why did he flood the world and kill all but noah's family?

He loves those who obey and forgives those who repent with a genuine heart. Then there is his grace but he knows the heart! Those who rebel against him, he cuts them off and destroys them. It's in black and white in the bible.

The TV preachers always say god loves you and god loves everybody. NOT TRUE. God cuts people off and condemns to eternal hell.

 

[Haberdashery]

Bankside, I do agree with part of what you're saying. When you speak of flowers and bus drivers and fresh air then I only believe in those things on a domestic human level. One on one with people, then yea (for the moment)

The evil within us as human beings, like greed, jealousy, lust, anger, is, at this moment in time, not big enough to dwarf our love and care for eachother on a domestic level, like helping the little old lady next door, and being sad when we see someone hurt or loving our friends, family etc. However this love part is in decline ( on a domestic level) you see this in the 50-60% divorce rate, the loss of respect for elderly, for parents. The increace of me me me culture.

Now this situation will continue to decline to the point where daughter will turn against mother and son will turn against father (In biblical scripture) so for the time being I do agree with your flowers and fresh air philosophy.

However, when you suggest your domestic philosophy as a cure for global ills then I must strongly disagree because in the upper echelons of global power is an agenda of world conquest which will enslave the global population for the purpose of money and power.

I'm not predicting a date for the second coming but I am saying that we are in the process of setting the stage for apocalypse with the world's steady descent into filth and darkness.

 

[Haberdashery]

Care to provide any evidence that hell is "real"? Or that the flood really happened, and that it wasn't just another story stolen from one of the countless of stories identical to it from hundred or thousands years older, like the story of Gilgamesh?

Nothing is black and white in the bible. Why do some sects of Christianity not believe in the hellfire doctrine? If it's so "black and white" why is this? Many mainline sects teach that Jesus went to hell for 3 days. Others say he laid in the Earth.

My guess is that you have not spent much time really studying the history of the bible, actually reading the bible yourself, cover to cover by itself and no religious dogma study guides trying to coax you into believing their flavor of religion. You owe it to yourself to dig into it if you find it important.

So many people go to church but couldn't tell you what the bible really says and/or why, much less any of the history behind it, they just sup whatever they are fed, check their minds at the door, and parrot anything they've heard.

ok that black and white phrase I used was a poor choice of words for this forum. I used the term to explain that gods wrath is literally written in the bible. I did not use the term as a method of interpreting ambiguous scripture.

In this case black and white means it's written in black text on white paper. And the scriptures of gods wrath appear in the bible at a ratio of approximately 5:1 against scripture of gods love.

Now you appear? To have a profound knowledge of the bible so there's no need for me to list the verses as you'd know them.

So you have taken a poor choice of words on my part and used that as your basis for a lengthy post to explain a myriad of things about me of which you could not possibly know as I have yet to make any posts to reveal as much. Seems like a big ramble to me.

And as for your kind suggestion as to what I should study, I shall file that suggestion in my top drawer.

 

[Haberdashery]

Care to provide any evidence that hell is "real"? Or that the flood really happened, and that it wasn't just another story stolen from one of the countless of stories identical to it from hundred or thousands years older, like the story of Gilgamesh?

Nothing is black and white in the bible. Why do some sects of Christianity not believe in the hellfire doctrine? If it's so "black and white" why is this? Many mainline sects teach that Jesus went to hell for 3 days. Others say he laid in the Earth.

My guess is that you have not spent much time really studying the history of the bible, actually reading the bible yourself, cover to cover by itself and no religious dogma study guides trying to coax you into believing their flavor of religion. You owe it to yourself to dig into it if you find it important.

So many people go to church but couldn't tell you what the bible really says and/or why, much less any of the history behind it, they just sup whatever they are fed, check their minds at the door, and parrot anything they've heard.

a big unoriginal ramble this would be. I have heard this used many times. It is perhaps one of the most commonly used retorts by atheists and agnostics.

So if anyone is rehashing and regurgitating information, it appears that would be you.

 

[Haberdashery]

^ WOW molten rock! Looks like someone's been trolling the net in a mad scramble to gather information to keep the fires burning.

I can provide citations but I gotta dig it out from my library. But I'm not gonna bother because I will let you chase your own tail in an attempt to locate Information to discredit me... lol

The information you have provided is a biblical word search. I said verses NOT individual words. Your info takes into account every author's use of the word love and for every story. So when king David told Johnothon that he loved him then that goes into your word count and does not reflect on what I said.

Anyhow, your little word finder did show 95 points to wrath and that should be enough to make you bow your knee and for your tongue to confess that JESUS is Lord!

 

[opinterph]

Who are the scientists who studies the earths many-fold layers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology

… to keep the fires burning.

Remember fellas, this is a No-Flame zone.

 

[prudyprudestein]

I believe that the Flood mentioned in Genesis covered the known world as view from the writers of the time. Flooding of river valleys was very common in ancient time. Many of the references to hell our actually sheol or death. Most of what Jesus was speaking about quoted in the gospels was more than likely referring to the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. Revelation is either a allegory of destruction to the Hebrew people throughout history. Too much in the Christian Bible is claimed to be prophetic and in reality is more historical or allegorical related to the Hebrews.

 

[TX-Beau]

I can provide citations but I gotta dig it out from my library. But I'm not gonna bother because I will let you chase your own tail in an attempt to locate Information to discredit me... lol

So, you can respond but you can't be bothered to do so? So why are you still posting? Some of us still don't know what your point was in the first place. I'd ask again, but I suspect that you'd say you could answer but you can't be bothered to.

In order to be discredited you'd need to be creditable in the first place. Since you refuse to state your point, and you refuse to elaborate, that leaves you out I'm afraid.

The information you have provided is a biblical word search. I said verses NOT individual words. Your info takes into account every author's use of the word love and for every story. So when king David told Johnothon that he loved him then that goes into your word count and does not reflect on what I said.

Anyhow, your little word finder did show 95 points to wrath and that should be enough to make you bow your knee and for your tongue to confess that JESUS is Lord!

So what, the bible is very entertaining but it's fiction. Why should anyone be afraid of folklore. I couldn't care less what it says. Interpret away, it's just fairy stories anyway. One might as well worry about the fate of Snow White.

 

[opinterph]

Some of us still don't know what your point was in the first place.

Disregarding his final remark, it seems to me that Haberdashery’s primary point was to suggest that a word count from the full text of the Bible does not accurately demonstrate the ratio of writings describing God’s wrath vs. God’s love. His explanation of the concept (from which you quoted) seems to involve an analysis of entire verses of text, rather than a focus on several key words found throughout the modern translations.