Five users banned

[Alpha1851]

I'm curious as to why these particular people/person inspired a full on investigation by the JUB team? It's been stated that these JUBBER/JUBBERS duped people. How so? Were they charging for sexual services or for their fiction or something of that nature?

I agree that it seems pointless to lie on the internet b/c an individual has nothing valuable to gain from it. However, I suspect, and so have many of you, that relationship stories are often enhanced. I believe Superboy (who's recently returned) was accused of creating a fantastic fictional, love story and presenting it as though it was a true story. Did he fib? Who knows.

Undercoverbicop is a self-proclaimed married cop who screws gay men on the side. He's also been accused of creating a fictitious online personality. Is he fibbing? Who knows.

I just don't see why those particular usernames were targeted for a full on investigation. I mean, it seems that this took a lot of work. Is there something more intensive going on that can't be disclosed? I can understand the ban since creating multiple accounts violates the CoC, but what event gave rise to the investigation?

The privacy issue concerns me b/c like other forums, JUB is generally anonymous unless the user gives out their personal info. It's a great resource for LGBT folks. Some of these people are deep in the closet, and some live in countries were it's illegal to be gay. I would hate for the fear of a potential investigation into their personal lives keep them from joining up and reaching out for support.

I'm a bit surprised that we've been handed so much personal info as well. This JUBBER or these JUBBERS live in a suburb in Dallas, TX. We even know their defense to your extensive evidence against them. I don't know why, but I thought convos w/ mods were confidential. I thought PMs in general were meant to be confidential. Is there a certain activity a JUBBER does that opens up the flood gates?

Maybe I'm just jaded, but I don't trust people in real life to tell the truth, let alone on the net where I can't get a good read on them.

 

[Alpha1851]

Is it just me, or does "investigation" paint a very intense picture. As though you all are hacking into our computers. I better not see a fee coming out of checking acct from Germany, or I'm coming after ya Corndog.

 

[CGHJ]

Wow, now I'm not gonna trust any hot stories anymore.

What's the point of doing something like that, and how much time could you possibly have on your hands to wanna pose as 5 people just to turn people's cranks with hot stories? Not saying the didn't, I'm sure you're right...just, I barely have time to update as it is and I'm home all day long. And why not just post them to hot stories?

And here I was defending MysteryMeat for the jailhouse love story...now I'm pissed off.

 

[willie metcaffe]

I believe in love behind bars. Of course, I'm referring to bartenders...

 

[Just_Believe18]

Looking back at one of the threads Kara posted, I noticed I was one of the ones duped by FRZBGLFR.

What a shame. You think you can trust everyone, and you have a few bad apples that spoil it all

 

[rareboy]

This JUBBER or these JUBBERS live in a suburb in Dallas, TX.

Trust me. I've been to Dallas. We're not going to find their suburb. It is like saying they live in an apartment in New York.

In retrospect, I still like the advice and observations that I offered on the two threads Kara mentioned; certainly in the second one, I didn't feel inclined to give the OP a pass and see that a lot of others who now may feel 'duped' also provided some thoughtful comments. So don't feel bad. The advice isn't always only meant for the OP. Others may see themselves and a situation they're in in a different light.

But there is a problem when fiction overtakes reality and boards that are supposed to be a safe haven, even for dissenting opinion, become the preserve of the serial fiction writer. They create the environment where roiling drama seems to become a desirable state and all to satisfy some sad and occasionally very unpleasant person's need for validation and attention.

The most insidious possibility is that they use their stories to ingratiate themselves with other members with the express purpose of extracting their personal info or financial assistance.

Oh. And CGHJ. I accept your apology. Still prefer to spend time with these guys?

So. Let's go back to guys who still won't give up on the idea that they're in love with their straight best friend or are struggling with coming out.

And remember, if it is too hot to be true, it almost always is.

 

[KaraBulut]

Wow, now I'm not gonna trust any hot stories anymore.

What's the point of doing something like that, and how much time could you possibly have on your hands to wanna pose as 5 people just to turn people's cranks with hot stories? Not saying the didn't, I'm sure you're right...just, I barely have time to update as it is and I'm home all day long. And why not just post them to hot stories?

And here I was defending MysteryMeat for the jailhouse love story...now I'm pissed off.

The group included only two "writers". One of the personalities just posted a lot of pictures of himself and never any personal stories.

JUB does have a "Gay Stories" forum and it's very popular. The interesting thing about the Gay Stories forum is that many of the stories are based upon real stories- things that happened or about they way that the poster wished they had happened.

The stories this person was posting were great stories. He just should have posted them as fiction/stories instead of making them sound like they were real.

I believe in love behind bars. Of course, I'm referring to bartenders...

Tell me you at least get them home before you give 'em some loving. Wait- don't answer that- post a story about it.

 

[Jayden]

I get the feeling there are many more on jub doing the same thing.

 

[Corny]

I just don't see why those particular usernames were targeted for a full on investigation.

Because they lied after they were caught, and we needed proof. Don't get it wrong, the proof is already there, it just needed a bit more observation and looking into the details. compare below

The privacy issue concerns me b/c like other forums, JUB is generally anonymous unless the user gives out their personal info. It's a great resource for LGBT folks. Some of these people are deep in the closet, and some live in countries were it's illegal to be gay. I would hate for the fear of a potential investigation into their personal lives keep them from joining up and reaching out for support.

despite what you might think or others might want you to believe - the internet is not anonymous. a long time ago some users had a signature which would automatically show you your ISP and city. we had to ban it, although technically there was no problem with it since no other person could see this info. but people kept getting freaked out by the fact how easy they are to track.
We don't care if you mask your location to protect your privacy. But if you start to mask it to cover up your made up stories that you are trying to sell as the truth, if you start changing your locations because other people challenge that story, this might raise a few suspicions. Just checking something like that out is daily business, and if only to discover spambots.

 

[willie metcaffe]

Tell me you at least get them home before you give 'em some loving. Wait- don't answer that- post a story about it.

Sorry. No story to tell. Outside of one admirer (me) of one bartender's particularly muscular arms. Handling alcohol-filled glasses all night increases muscle mass. It's a scientific fact...

 

[KaraBulut]

Sorry. No story to tell. Outside of one admirer (me) of one bartender's particularly muscular arms. Handling alcohol-filled glasses all night increases muscle mass. It's a scientific fact...

And apparently muscular arms increase mass in other body parts as a side effect.

 

[Alpha1851]

Because they lied after they were caught, and we needed proof. Don't get it wrong, the proof is already there, it just needed a bit more observation and looking into the details. compare below

They lied and were caught, okay. But, why were these guys chosen out of the other many JUBBERS who have also lied? A well respected member and ex mod admitted to perpetuating a fictional story about his relationship and coming out of the closet. He even took over his alleged partner's account in order to solidify the illusion. So, where do you draw the line?

Is there a "they" involved now, or are you all still pretty certain that it's one individual w/ multiple accounts?

despite what you might think or others might want you to believe - the internet is not anonymous. a long time ago some users had a signature which would automatically show you your ISP and city. we had to ban it, although technically there was no problem with it since no other person could see this info. but people kept getting freaked out by the fact how easy they are to track.
We don't care if you mask your location to protect your privacy. But if you start to mask it to cover up your made up stories that you are trying to sell as the truth, if you start changing your locations because other people challenge that story, this might raise a few suspicions. Just checking something like that out is daily business, and if only to discover spambots.

Oh, I'm aware that the internet isn't entirely safe and anonymous, it's been drilled into my head by my techie plus, that's how a lot of criminals are caught. Supposedly, looking up my ISP will reveal fake info, but I'm sure that skilled hackers could do whatever it is they do to figure it all out, so I always try to be aware of what I'm possibly revealing.

But, looking up an ISP address (which any of us can do) isn't what I pictured happening in an intense "investigation." I admit, it freaked me out. If mods are looking into our laptops they can steal our credit card info and our banking info. Our passwords will be vulnerable and our jobs can be compromised. Don't get me wrong, the mods seem like great people and it's gotta be a hard job to do, but yeah, I want my personal info left personal. In any other instance, it seems that the mod would've banned the individual for creating multiple accounts which is a violation of the CoC. I'm not sure how the lying plays a part.

If I'm ever the target of a JUB investigation, please don't reveal my city and state in the forum just in case someone puts two and two together and figures out my other info and shares it w/ the rest of my community. I'm not the only JUBBER living around here. I'm careful about what I share. I never write about anything that could get me fired or sued, but there are still things I want to keep private--especially things involving lust.

 

[Corny]

They lied and were caught, okay. But, why were these guys chosen out of the other many JUBBERS who have also lied? A well respected member and ex mod admitted to perpetuating a fictional story about his relationship and coming out of the closet. He even took over his alleged partner's account in order to solidify the illusion. So, where do you draw the line?

He admitted his error, explained himself (in public) and regrets what he did.

Is there a "they" involved now, or are you all still pretty certain that it's one individual w/ multiple accounts?

They = speaking about all the fakers.

But, looking up an ISP address (which any of us can do) isn't what I pictured happening in an intense "investigation." I admit, it freaked me out. If mods are looking into our laptops they can steal our credit card info and our banking info. Our passwords will be vulnerable and our jobs can be compromised. Don't get me wrong, the mods seem like great people and it's gotta be a hard job to do, but yeah, I want my personal info left personal.

Nobody is looking into anyones laptop, or bank account. Now you are becoming ridiculously scaremonger-ish

If I'm ever the target of a JUB investigation, please don't reveal my city and state just in case someone puts two and two together and figures out my other info and shares it w/ the rest of my community.

One of the multiple identities did reveal his (real) location in public. 'nuff said. It seems this is more about your personal fears than about the topic - we are quite sensitive in which information we share and what not. Even with all that constant complaining and wishing for "more info" about almost any mod activity we perform. You should listen to the guys complaining that we don't allow phone numbers or private e-mail addresses to be posted here one day ..

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>But, looking up an ISP address (which any of us can do) isn't what I pictured happening in an intense "investigation." I admit, it freaked me out. If mods are looking into our laptops they can steal our credit card info and our banking info

You use this kind of logic in the courtroom?

Lex

 

[Alpha1851]

Nobody is looking into anyones laptop, or bank account. Now you are becoming ridiculously scaremonger-ish

Ah, like George Bush's "we've got to take a stand b/c the enemy is among us?" No, I was explaining why I originally reacted the way I did. I was admitting to freaking out and thinking that "detective work" and "investigation" meant a real investigation not merely looking up an ISP address. That's why I asked about it. If I thought JUB was a dangerous playground I'd take my ball and go home, not stick around to scare other members into some sort of conspiracy theory.

It seems this is more about your personal fears than about the topic

I apologize if I slipped off topic, but in my head it didn't seem that way b/c the OP just seemed like a method to disseminate info about what went down. Later posts seemed to be asking or brainstorming about what to do w/ folks who allegedly lie in this same manner. Since that type of allegation is difficult to prove, and the mods could easily become overwhelmed w/these type of allegations, I wanted more info regarding how it's decided who to investigation and who not to investigate and what sort of things would be deemed as lies as opposed to whatever else. On the surface it seems like it'll be a more work than nec. But, it's sweet to want to protect us all from those who compulsively lie, so hey, go for it. My last two posts were attempts to illustrate that point; I see I failed in getting that across!

 

[Alpha1851]

>>>But, looking up an ISP address (which any of us can do) isn't what I pictured happening in an intense "investigation." I admit, it freaked me out. If mods are looking into our laptops they can steal our credit card info and our banking info

You use this kind of logic in the courtroom?

That depends Lex. What is the case about? Is this a witness or a party to the lawsuit who misunderstood what was meant by "investigation" and "detective work?"

How do you prove someone isn't who they claim to be? You obtain documents such as their banking info, their credit info, their license, anything that proves your claim. The words in our language often take on different meanings and connotations, and as you pointed out, I'm an atty. It's reasonable that an atty would read those words and believe they took the same meaning I did. I realized my initial thoughts were wrong, and that's why I admitted to freaking out about it. JUB isn't a crtroom. This isn't a legal case. And, no one committed a crime, so why would any mod go to all that trouble or risk doing something illegal. I was laughing at myself!

Would I use the logic that certain terms have been reasonably misunderstood? Yes, if the circumstances of the case called for it, it's useful to argue that the terms in a statute or contract are vague or ambiguous and should be construed in favor of my beloved client, or that a witness misunderstood something and should be allowed to clarify their statement.

Sometimes, when a JUBBER dislikes my point, disagrees w/ my point, wishes to point out my grammar/spelling errors, or just thinks what I write is stupid, they bring up my profession. Why is that? I've noticed that the same thing often happens to Jasun.

 

[Alpha1851]

the attacks against you, from my perspective, seem to be based on your absolute naivety and lack of any concerted effort to present grounded and sound logic in your arguments... The fact you are a lawyer is purely coincidental I presume.

Ah, then why take a passive aggressive route by bringing up my profession. Have the balls to spell it on out. You think I'm naive and fail to present a logical opinion in all of my arguments? So what.

 

[G-Lexington]

Well, it seems the only person who misunderstood the terms was you. Perhaps that's because of your profession, but honestly, I assumed you'd be astute enough to divorce yourself from that to move into common parlance. I mean, when people talk about political spin, I don't think they mean airplay, and when someone says "I got released", I don't ask which Tuesday that was.

And if anything, this is the opposite of what Jasun runs into. People think they can belittle him by pointing out that he works in pornography, because they have a low opinion of those in that industry. But I actually have a high opinion of lawyers. Yeah, they can be unscrupulous or whatever else, but I always assume they're intelligent. Talking about "looking up banking info on our laptops" displays a pretty feeble understanding of how the whole computer/internet thing works. Which isn't a problem in and of itself, but presenting it as an argument against the Big Brotheresque measures put forth by those in Mod Tower puts the ignorance on display. And that's the sort of thing I can't imagine you using in court.

Lex

 

[Corny]

Let's not start a fight here. I hope we got this resolved, if anybody has more questions - feel free to PM me. And also let me point towards the thread in the supporter-forum which was more meant for the discussion of the measures taken

 

[CGHJ]

JUB does have a "Gay Stories" forum and it's very popular. The interesting thing about the Gay Stories forum is that many of the stories are based upon real stories- things that happened or about they way that the poster wished they had happened.

The stories this person was posting were great stories. He just should have posted them as fiction/stories instead of making them sound like they were real.

Oh I know and I am totally agreeing with you. MysteryMeats' Jailhouse story was a great story and I wanted to hear the end...but I also wanted to believe it was real cuz it wasn't in Gay stories. I'm too trusting I guess.

Rareboy, I'm sorry I doubted you. You were right and I should have encouraged you instead of defending him. Next time you call someone out like that...I'm going to stand back and watch.