Florida High School Massacre

[mikey3000]

Maybe a one world government isn't such a bad idea then.

 

[nycguydowntown]

money is the root of all evil and the money whore politicians can all burn in hell with the NRA---trump used to be for strict gun controls years ago but as he is a sick man and doesn't know what he's doing from moment as moment as the law moves in on him---you can't win an election as a republican and be for any kind of gun control---they would have all of us carrying around surface to air missiles and nuclear bombs if the NRA could make money from it----sick violent country---the blue states are still fairly decent.

 

[NotHardUp1]

It just seems very like that not enough children have died.

I lived less than five miles from Sandy Hook in 2016 and 2017. No one knows loss like those parents know loss.

If there were only some way that every parent in America could lose a child, then maybe we'd have a chance at reform, but that's just wishful thinking.

We'll never see enough dead children.

 

[gsdx]

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The population of the United States is almost 330,000,000.
The NRA membership is almost 5,000,000.

Five million Americans own the US Government and the Republicans' wallets are fatter by millions of dollars. It's the fault of the Republicans for allowing it by sucking up to them and brown-nosing 5 million asses.

 

[HoodedRat]

I don't understand why you have be 21 to buy alcohol in the USA but you can buy a gun at 18.


Then there is this, which I just read on the Washington Post site:

Federal law prohibits handgun ownership by any person under the age 18, with a handful of exceptions. But there is no minimum age for long gun (i.e. rifle and shotgun) ownership. Twenty states and the District of Columbia have set their own minimum age laws ranging from 14 in Montana to 21 in Illinois, but in the remaining 30 states it’s technically legal for a child to possess a long gun.

Source Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hild-can-still-legally-own-a-rife-or-shotgun/

That just seems completely crazy.

 

[peeonme]

To drive a car you have to study, practice and pass a test. You must have a drivers license and renew it every 4 years (in Michigan)
I believe that anyone purchasing a gun should have to show proof that they are mentally competent. A letter from a doctor showing that a person is not on anti-depressants, or has not been diagnosed with a mental illness should be required.

 

[72-Jay]

Then there is this, which I just read on the Washington Post site:

Federal law prohibits handgun ownership by any person under the age 18, with a handful of exceptions. But there is no minimum age for long gun (i.e. rifle and shotgun) ownership. Twenty states and the District of Columbia have set their own minimum age laws ranging from 14 in Montana to 21 in Illinois, but in the remaining 30 states it’s technically legal for a child to possess a long gun.

That just seems completely crazy.

May seem like it, but actually its not...
...If I remember right, at the time this law was implemented, its because handguns were the primary weapon of choice for gang violence.

 

[Telstra]

this video is very sad and upsetting,
the victims families should form a big group, sue the guns manufactures till bankrupt and change gun laws:

 

[NotHardUp1]

I don't understand why you have be 21 to buy alcohol in the USA but you can buy a gun at 18.


Then there is this, which I just read on the Washington Post site:

Federal law prohibits handgun ownership by any person under the age 18, with a handful of exceptions. But there is no minimum age for long gun (i.e. rifle and shotgun) ownership. Twenty states and the District of Columbia have set their own minimum age laws ranging from 14 in Montana to 21 in Illinois, but in the remaining 30 states it’s technically legal for a child to possess a long gun.

That just seems completely crazy.

The solution is not that simple for the primary reason of hunting. North America is a highly rural landscape, unlike England. Whereas the majority of the population is city-dwelling, that is not to say that hunting is not a huge hobby in the wide areas between cities, and that is the majority of the landscape.

And it is not only the USA. Canada very specifically allows for children to be licensed, and for similar reasons. Historically, children with hunting permits have been taught gun safety and have much lower likelihood of seeing hunting guns as personal weapons due to the emphasis on safety as part of the hunting culture.

The drive is not to prohibit gun use by children. It is to prohibit access to semi-automatic and fully automatic weaponry. Children will always have access to guns via hunting weapons. Legislation is needed to implement the various restraints that will greatly reduce the access to weaponry that will enable mass shootings.

Those restrictions include smart weapons that require user ID to turn off a safety latch, prohibition of all high capacity magazines, prohibition of all semi-automatic weaponry, prohibition of all automatic weaponry, and other such laws. In a land of 350 million souls, we will continue to see one-off shootings by kids with hot heads and access to illegal handguns, but long guns would be much less likely if the semi-automatic dimension were to be controlled, as there would be little logic in planning such an attack when the odds are against succeeding when single-shots are the likely only options.

The fight has been sadly defeated even when opposing the most egregious access. Any attack on the legitimate right to hunt will absolutely doom any gun reform. It is the absolute bedrock of the NRA, and is not to be broadly dismissed by the left in indifference to the citizens who live in the heartland. The safety of the schools does not depend on the quashing of hunting culture; rather, it depends upon the controls of access to weapons that can shoot many people in a blaze and in the emphasis on detection of violent youth in a preventative screening.

 

[KaraBulut]

I don't understand why you have be 21 to buy alcohol in the USA but you can buy a gun at 18.


Then there is this, which I just read on the Washington Post site:

Federal law prohibits handgun ownership by any person under the age 18, with a handful of exceptions. But there is no minimum age for long gun (i.e. rifle and shotgun) ownership. Twenty states and the District of Columbia have set their own minimum age laws ranging from 14 in Montana to 21 in Illinois, but in the remaining 30 states it’s technically legal for a child to possess a long gun.

That just seems completely crazy.

Add this to your "crazy" list:

Several states, including Florida, have a wait period for buying a handgun.

In most States, there's no wait period for long guns, including semi-automatic weapons like the AR-15 used in the Parkland shooting.

For example, in Florida the wait is 3 days before you can buy and take home a handgun. But in Florida, you can buy an AR-15, all the ammo and clips you want and you can walk out of the store with it the same day. There are well over a million AR-15 type rifles in circulation in the US.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement - Requirements to Purchase a Firearm

Requirements to Purchase a Long Gun (Rifle/Shotgun) in the State of Florida.

• Persons must be18 years of age to purchase (shotgun, rifle, etc.).
• All legal US residents may purchase a long gun in the State of Florida provided the sale complies with applicable laws in the State where the purchaser resides. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30].
• Fingerprints are not required; the background check is conducted utilizing demographic data.
• Florida does not require a specialized permit to purchase a firearm.
• Concealed Weapon Permit holders are subject to the same background check as persons who do not possess a Concealed Weapon Permit.
• The State of Florida does not require a waiting period for the purchase of a long gun.
• Individual counties, cities and municipalities have the ability to pass laws that add or lengthen the waiting period for any type of firearm. Please consult your local County Commission for more detailed information.
• There is no exemption to the background check requirement for Concealed Weapon Permit holders.

 

[peeonme]

Fault and reason are two different things. Both in this case belong to the perpetrator. It's his fault, he shot people. As for the reason,
that has yet to be discovered.

Could we wait until the victims are buried before playing politics?

 

[gsdx]

This article shows what Trump has done to make these mass shootings easier instead of trying to prevent them.

Like many of his GOP colleagues, Rubio has repeatedly tweeted that his thoughts are with the latest mass-shooting victims, yet somehow it’s never the right time to dig in on the underlying causes. In the past year Democrats have introduced more than 30 pieces of legislation aimed at combatting gun violence, and only four have had GOP sponsors, according to the Washington Post.

That isn’t to say that Republicans have been inactive on gun-related issues. Since President Trump took office, he and other Republicans have launched several efforts to loosen gun-control laws. There are also a handful of GOP lawmakers who expressed interest in fixing the gaps in existing laws that appeared to play a role in recent mass shootings — yet so far, nothing has come of those efforts. Here’s what Washington has been up to.

- Trump Blocked a Rule That Made It Harder for the Mentally Ill to Obtain Guns
- Trump Made It Easier for “Fugitives” to Buy Guns
- GOP Moved to Loosen Gun Restrictions on Federal Lands
- Republicans Advanced a Bill to Make It Easier to Buy Gun Silencers
- Congress Discussed Banning Bump Stocks, Has Yet to Pass Anything
- Paul Ryan Ignored Calls to Form a Select Committee on Gun Violence
- House Passed Bill Allowing Concealed Carry Across State Lines
- Trump Proposed Cutting Millions of Dollars From the Background-Check System

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-backed-bill-to-remove-local-gun-restrictions

This is not fixing the problem. They have no intention of fixing it. Following the tragedy, Florida senator Marco Rubio tweeted: "People don't know how this happened: who this person is, what motivated them...I think it's important to know all of that before you jump to conclusions that there's some law that we could have passed that could have prevented it.""People don't know how this happened: who this person is, what motivated them...I think it's important to know all of that before you jump to conclusions that there's some law that we could have passed that could have prevented it."

There are always thoughts and prayers, but, according to Rubio, there will be “plenty of time for policy debate later.”

The NRA owns the Republicans and, until their lobbying and massive donations are stopped, they will continue to own the Republicans and people will still die because the NRA wants MORE guns out there in the hands of teachers and students to prevent the very thing they are causing.

 

[cityboy-stl]

I don't disagree that money in politics is a colossal problem. What I don't believe is that republicans are supporting the gun lobby simply and solely for money. I think they are willing accomplices with the NRA and therefore the NRA funds them through donations because they both believe in and support the same mission. I think the republican position on guns would be basically the same whether they received those donations or not.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Could we wait until the victims are buried before playing politics?

This needs to stop being said when one wouldn’t be able to talk about the politics if we waited for the buried to be dead because of how frequently these shootings are happening.

We have absolutely no respect for the dead when we’re not doing ANYTHING to prevent these shootings in the first place.

 

[peeonme]

This needs to stop being said when one wouldn’t be able to talk about the politics if we waited for the buried to be dead because of how frequently these shootings are happening.

We have absolutely no respect for the dead when we’re not doing ANYTHING to prevent these shootings in the first place.

I am referring to using this as an opportunity to bitch about the President. It's one thing to argue that a political party has sold out to NRA, I get that. It's quite another to argue Obama/Trump because one is still pissed off over the results of an election.
Read my post earlier in this thread, I am all for finding a way to stop the madness. Pointing fingers like 10 year old boys is not going to help.

 

[gsdx]

I don't disagree that money in politics is a colossal problem. What I don't believe is that republicans are supporting the gun lobby simply and solely for money.

The Trump campaign received $50 million from the NRA. Marco Rubio has received $4.5 million from the NRA. Republican senators regularly receive donations from the NRA. (Simple Google search.)

It is ALL about the money. Giving them money says, "You'll get more of this when you do right by us."

As I've said, the NRA owns the Republicans and they will continue to do so until legislation limits lobbies and contributions. No organisation should own the government.

 

[medic1]

^It really does amaze me at how blatant they all are when doing this.

Here the rules of The House prohibit such behaviour, and audits are carried out on a regular basis. Anyone found to be in breach of these rules are dealt with very harshly, usually with a custodial sentence, and the loss of their seat.

 

[KaraBulut]

^It really does amaze me at how blatant they all are when doing this.

Here the rules of The House prohibit such behaviour, and audits are carried out on a regular basis. Anyone found to be in breach of these rules are dealt with very harshly, usually with a custodial sentence, and the loss of their seat.

Unfortunately, we have several Supreme Court decisions that acknowledge that politicians can be bought and that campaign contributions can't be limited because money is considered "free speech".

The only way to change what the Supreme Court has wrought is a Constitutional Amendment (which will require a major overhaul of who is in our White House and in our Congress).

 

[HoodedRat]

I just read that Cruz is claiming that 'demonic voices' in his head told him to carry out the massacre. If true, that should at least keep gun-worshipping religious nutters happy; it had nothing to do with terrible gun laws, it was all to do with demons.


Sample Source Link: DRIVEN BY ‘DEMONS’ Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz says ‘demon voices’ told him to slaughter 17 as cops reveal they were called to his home 39 TIMES (The Sun; February 17, 2018)

 

[luckynumbah7]

To drive a car you have to study, practice and pass a test. You must have a drivers license and renew it every 4 years (in Michigan)
I believe that anyone purchasing a gun should have to show proof that they are mentally competent. A letter from a doctor showing that a person is not on anti-depressants, or has not been diagnosed with a mental illness should be required.

There's a couple of issues with that. When someone considers themselves to not be their own problem then they're not likely to go for therapy and medication. The people who consider the world the problem, as opposed to also injecting themselves in that equation, also seem to be the ones who go around doing mass shooting.

The second issue is that therapists have a high turnover rate; records and impressions are unlikely to be comprehensive in the manner needed. You'd do better getting signed family statements.

There's also expressions of depression where a gun could be unlikely to be an issue. Some people float at mid-level, for instance. Depression does not show the same in everyone. Nor does general medication use indicate the type of mental unstability that causes mass shootings.