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Florida High School Massacre

Not another high school massacre! ... all those innocent young lives! Please, please, please America, do something about your stuffing gun laws! Donald Trump, here's your chance.

The international community must demand an end to this human tragedy.

It's an issue like FGM in certain countries, or slavery in others. Or civilians being killed by drones.

The corporate culture that results in death must be brought to face justice.
 
The Trump campaign received $50 million from the NRA. Marco Rubio has received $4.5 million from the NRA. Republican senators regularly receive donations from the NRA. (Simple Google search.)

It is ALL about the money. Giving them money says, "You'll get more of this when you do right by us."

As I've said, the NRA owns the Republicans and they will continue to do so until legislation limits lobbies and contributions. No organisation should own the government.

Of course. I never said we don't need to get money out of politics.

What I don't understand is why you and Kara seem to contradict that republicans whole-heartedly support the NRA cause. That is why the NRA is able to pay off people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz and the like. They do the NRA bidding because they believe in the NRA and the NRA pays them handsomely for it. Republicans are willing accomplices with the NRA, they are not mindless puppets taking cash for a task they don't believe in. Without the cash, they would still support the cause. It's not like they would suddenly become gun control advocates if you took away the money. Saying it's only about money implies that. It's about the money and it's about the heart of the republican party that willingly follows the NRA agenda because of their belief in it.

I'm not letting the Democratic party off the hook for a lot things either, but they're not the topic of this particular post. Please keep replies on-topic.
 
An NPR story this morning quoted the killer's gun shop as having waited the "five-day waiting period" for his AR-15's purchase, so something does agree here. Either Florida does have a longer period, or perhaps a local ordnance, or maybe just this shop's policy.

The Florida law does not require a waiting period for long guns but it contains the following statement:
Individual counties, cities and municipalities have the ability to pass laws that add or lengthen the waiting period for any type of firearm. Please consult your local County Commission for more detailed information.

Based on that, I did a little looking- knowing that Broward County is very progressive on issues, and I found the Broward statute that requires a 5 day waiting period on gun purchases:

§ 18-96. Waiting period; prohibition
There shall be a mandatory five-day waiting period, which shall be five days, excluding weekends and legal holidays, in connection with the sale of firearms occurring within Broward County when the sale is a transfer of money or other valuable consideration, and any part of the sale transaction is conducted on property to which the public

The gun was purchased at a local gun store in Coral Springs in Broward County. According to the gun store owner's attorney, they did follow all laws- Cruz passed a background check, the store followed the County's 5 day waiting period, they sold him only the magazine that came with the gun. Cruz said "no" to the questions about mental illness. Cruz had been expelled 3 days before he purchased the gun on 11-Feb-2017 . He had been undergoing psychological treatment at a local mental heath center, however there was nothing on his background check that would have prevented the purchase, in spite of his history of mental illness and his multiple interactions with local law enforcement.


In all likelihood, Governor Rick "The Cryptkeeper" Scott and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi can be expected to blame everyone except the State of Florida and their lax gun laws. It's their usual pattern. :rolleyes:

cityboy-stl said:
What I don't understand is why you and Kara seem to contradict that republicans whole-heartedly support the NRA cause. That is why the NRA is able to pay off people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz and the like.
Not exactly. My point is that the problem that we have with politics and money is not a matter of one party accepting money from noble donors and the other party accepting money from unethical donors.

The problem is the money, regardless of who is on the take.

There's nothing noble about the big fund of millions of dollars that Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell or Chuck Schumer uses to buy off members of their party. That money is not coming from nuns and widows; they all have big corporate donors and billionaires who are buying influence. The NRA is just one of the players and they find that their money gets them more when they give it to Republicans.

There's been allegations that about 60-70% of a US Congressperson's time is spent on fundraising:
 
What I don't understand is why you and Kara seem to contradict that republicans whole-heartedly support the NRA cause.

I never said they're supporting the NRA cause. I'm saying that they know a gravy train when they see it. When you've got a golden goose laying million dollar eggs, you don't chop it's head off and serve it up for Christmas dinner.
 
This shooting story will pass into history very quickly, and the next news item begins.
When is it the right time for people to take laws into their own hands against the pro gun politicians and the organizations ?

Something must snap against the people responsible, mass murders cannot go on like this.
 
If you don't think it is a Democrat vs Republican issue..take a look at this....

https://www.deseretnews.com/top/1428/0/10-states-with-the-strictest-gun-laws.html

The bluest of the blue states have the strictest laws..

I had enough of "they are all alike" when the Russians claimed Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were both alike....and why bother to vote....and we got stuck with this asshole who is taking us backward...

There is one side of the equation who is much more likely to help enact stricter gun control laws...
 
I give up. It is all about getting the payout. They don't believe in the cause at all. Got it.
 
I do go to Snopes often, but that one spent all its time talking about how the countries are different, not refuting the basic core claim that both are armed countries yet see very different murder by gun rates. The Snopes author just explains away why the comparison is unfair, not that the deaths aren't real.
 
I do go to Snopes often, but that one spent all its time talking about how the countries are different, not refuting the basic core claim that both are armed countries yet see very different murder by gun rates. The Snopes author just explains away why the comparison is unfair, not that the deaths aren't real.

I agree with the author who says it is as if you are comparing apples to radishes....

Even without considering the variables...the obvious intention of this from the NRA is to show us why guns are important....

YET....if this is true..their two main assertions aren't even correct. It is not illegal to own guns in Honduras...and the reason so many guns are in Switzerland is because of the required military service at which time guns are issued....

After that...the comparion is ridiculous...

Take, for instance, where I live. It is considered the safest Metro area in the entire USA...

The safest metro areas in the country were San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara at 280.1; Minneapolis-St. Paul- Bloomington at 287.7; and Washington D.C.-Arlington-Alexandria at 301.3.

...and California has the strictest gun control ....but if you look at the statistics...you can twist it any way to make any argument you like...

http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/09/25/san-diego-has-lowest-big-city-murder-rate-in-us-fbi-stats-show/
 
I am very much for the total ban of automatic weaponry, semi-automatic weaponry, high count cartridges, armor-piercing bullets, and similar. Crime will remain but high death count shootings will likely decline. I'm not at all convinced that simple gun ownership is the issue, but who is accessing what guns is more relevant.

That said, I have nothing good to say for the NRA or our present apathy.
 
Just read this on another site:

"A guaranteed, absolutely foolproof way to induce US legislators to introduce stringent gun controls; have a NRA-style campaign to increase gun ownership among African-Americans. Laws to tighten up on the sale and carrying of firearms would be passed instantly."

I have searched for the source of your quote, but find nothing.

Please provide a source link.
 
The law about "the right to arm" was 200 years ago?
Maybe they can arm with a 200 years old design guns Only and nothing more.

The guns evolve , the law must evolve.
 
I have searched for the source of your quote, but find nothing.

Please provide a source link.

I copied, pasted, and slightly edited it from the comments section on The Independent news site. The original poster was making a sarcastic point about how white America only seems to fear guns when they are in the hands of black Americans

Here it is:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...o-orlando-pulse-rick-scott-less-a8213781.html

Expand the comments: it was posted by someone called durutti who said that it was posted by someone else on another site.
 
I am very much for the total ban of automatic weaponry, semi-automatic weaponry, high count cartridges, armor-piercing bullets, and similar. Crime will remain but high death count shootings will likely decline. I'm not at all convinced that simple gun ownership is the issue, but who is accessing what guns is more relevant.

That said, I have nothing good to say for the NRA or our present apathy.

Automatic weapons are already banned and I think controls in place for them are adequate. Semi-automatic bans or heavy regulation is just not going to happen since most weapons are semi-auto these days. I think the rest is perfectly reasonable and ripe for regulation/control. No high capacity magazines, no armor-piercing bullets.

I used to agree with the cosmetic argument about assault weapons but we have to admit that all those 'cosmetic' features are military grade improvements that you don't need in a civilian firearm. Since some, like the pistol grip, improve the ability to use the weapon in rapid fire environments, I think it is justified to place limits on military-style weapons.

But I think even more than focusing on weapons, we need to focus on the weapon users. I think if you are going to use a firearm for anything other than home protection, you should be required to be licensed to show that you are trained and qualified to safely operate a firearm. People should have to obtain a gun safety license just like you need a drivers license to use a car.
 
Someone mentioned something a long time ago. I can't remember who or where it was said. The solution really is simple: make the ammunition as expensive as hell. If they can do it for cigarettes, they can do it for bullets.
 
NRA gave the fat orange fuck 30 million dollars to elect him
The Trump campaign received $50 million from the NRA.

I sense a fair degree of variation in the reporting of NRA-Trump numbers.

The NRA is spending more than it ever has on elections this year — more than $36 million at last count, with another four weeks until Election Day, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

And Trump is by far the largest beneficiary, with the NRA spending more than $21 million to help him …

NRA Sticking With Trump, Breaks Own Record for Campaign Spending (NBC News; October 12, 2016)
 
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