For a few weeks there

[palemale]

I don't think "conservative" and "gay" are mutually exclusive whatsoever

And the default that gay must be liberal is ................ short sighted

In pre-Franco Spain, the Basques were very Catholic and conservative. However, they were strong supporters of the Popular Front, the group consisting mostly of anti-clerical Socialists and Communists, because the Fascists under Franco were vehemently opposed to recognizing the rights of other ethnic groups and regional self-government. The Basques fear that their rights would be trampled by the right-wing forces compelled them to support the Socialist/Communist side. Of course, they were right to fear Franco, because when he came to power, his Fascist government did severely trample minority rights and wiped out regional autonomy.

So, I don't think anyone believes that all gays should be liberal. Most of us do believe, however, that it is a big mistake to vote for a party that wants to deny the LGBT community the basic rights that other citizens have.

 

[rareboy]

In pre-Franco Spain, the Basques were very Catholic and conservative. However, they were strong supporters of the Popular Front, the group consisting mostly of anti-clerical Socialists and Communists, because the Fascists under Franco were vehemently opposed to recognizing the rights of other ethnic groups and regional self-government. The Basques fear that their rights would be trampled by the right-wing forces compelled them to support the Socialist/Communist side. Of course, they were right to fear Franco, because when he came to power, his Fascist government did severely trample minority rights and wiped out regional autonomy.

So, I don't think anyone believes that all gays should be liberal. Most of us do believe, however, that it is a big mistake to vote for a party that wants to deny the LGBT community the basic rights that other citizens have.

I often describe myself as a fiscal conservative and social liberal. Which actually defines the position of the liberal party of Canada. I have voted for liberal, conservative and NDP candidates over the years.

What we rejected in Canada was the hi-jacking of the agenda by the 'me first' right wing religious fundamentalists of the Reform movement. But we never trust what Harper would attempt with a majority government although the Courts would never rule for repeal of homo rights here.

In the US, it could literally eventually be the death of homos to support a party that appears devoted to their social destruction through the legislature, the executive and the judiciary branches.

But the Faux homos that haunt this board don't really care about that. Or the ones who are likely all so deeply closeted that you can smell the mothballs.

 

[rareboy]

Yep. He reminds me of the teabagger holding up the "Get a brain, morans" protest sign.

It's hard to take this forum seriously anymore. It's been overrun by Obama bashers and the right wing extremists masquerading as Republicans.

I just wish some days it was at least overrun by reactionaries who could at least spell better than a 5th grader or who can write a simple declarative sentence.

For instance, one of the reasons I like to read posts by guys like Jockboy is that they are erudite and eloquent, and his arguments are logical and coherent, not just because he is a liberal.

 

[CowboyBob]

I just wish some days it was at least overrun by reactionaries who could at least spell better than a 5th grader or who can write a simple declarative sentence.

For instance, one of the reasons I like to read posts by guys like Jockboy is that they are erudite and eloquent, and his arguments are logical and coherent, not just because he is a liberal.

But wouldn't that make them the intelligentsia elitists that Sarah Palin and the teabaggers warned the world about? Anyone believing or telling you ignorance is bliss is disturbing. An uneducated and frightened crowd is easier to control.

 

[Supersix]

Yep. He reminds me of the teabagger holding up the "Get a brain, morans" protest sign.

It's hard to take this forum seriously anymore. It's been overrun by Obama bashers and the right wing extremists masquerading as Republicans.

I didn't know it "belonged" to intolerant, left wing arrogant know-it-all snobs, who only tolerate what they are willing to tolerate, and to hell with everything and everyone else. You remind me of the kind of person who would cut off another driver, and then get mad at him and give the middle finger because he blew his horn at you.

 

[rareboy]

Yeah.

That would be it.

 

[chance1]

Funny, that's a question we've been wondering about Germans in the 1940s, isn't it?

In fact it is a subject of extensive research why people betray and tolerate malice and hate against themselves and/or others like themselves because it just seems so counterintuitive.

not sure we connected there

i actually understand or at least try to understand your thoughts and ideas/beliefs

and i agree with many

i would ask that you once in a whle do the same - try to understand that is

i think equating gays who don't follow lockstep with a total liberal agenda on all issues with a nazi-like suggestion is irresponsible

so now you're condescending to those who don't agree with you
and irresponsibly throwing around "just like" nazi germany references

that i don't get and don't like and frankly it diminshes YOU

i think the simple stupid truth here on JUB is that more conservative thinkers attempt to understand their liberal counterparts while the latter not only make no effort but shits on their counterparts regularly

i don't think the author of this thread intended this truth to come out

but it has

so thank you

 

[CowboyBob]

I didn't know it "belonged" to intolerant, left wing arrogant know-it-all snobs, who only tolerate what they are willing to tolerate, and to hell with everything and everyone else. You remind me of the kind of person who would cut off another driver, and then get mad at him and give the middle finger because he blew his horn at you.

Appears a nerve has been tweaked here.

But you still remind me of that guy with the morans sign.

ON TOPIC:

Like I already said, it's hard to take this forum seriously anymore. Bait, argue, scold, criticize, bash, bash, bash.

 

[JayHawk]

I saw this on my phone yesterday on duty and didn't wanna reply on a 2 inch square phone keypad.

However, i know it really disappointed me. The reason conservatives leave the forums are varied and really come down to everything you say being compared to Bush or anything else a criminal in office has done in the name of Republicans.

I find it tiresome to constantly try and explain that i am not a republican, i am a conservative with a liberal domestic desires for policy. Does that mean when i vote it is excruciating? Absolutely.

Of course I also leave because the requirements of my job prevent me from posting. Were it just a forum i would have no issue but by necessity it is not separate from the porn and my employer (Uncle Sam) doesnt allow either straight or gay porn on it's servers.

The main reason things disappoint me are that I cannot discuss the vapid points of some policy decision without being labeled as death itself. Yet now some are exclaiming that a different viewpoint is hard to read. I will admit some of the posters on both the left and right I have learned to skim very lightly because what they say will be dripping with whatever mailer came out from the party last week.... sickening lack of original thought.

........ we have at least one straight posing as a homo on the boards.

........ because their grand-pappy and daddy always voted republican, would die before they ever voted liberal.

........ 'I hate Obama because he's black and/or he's not Hillary' avatars.

........may be homosexual but they are anything but gay.

Curious where I fall into the conservative class system? Really i wanna know....

I don't think it is the least bit mystifying why some gays not only tolerate hate and malice towards the gay community but openly support proponents of it. Why?

I have spent my life working on what I believe are good things. I have built schools and taught children. I have devoted my life to giving and to be told what i support is simply for the pain of others is simply ludicrous. If a candidate would support coherent ideas that made sense for America I will support them and that does not limit me to conservative or liberal votes.

 

[chance1]

sigh.

I think you meant 'HEAR, HEAR'....

Yep. He reminds me of the teabagger holding up the "Get a brain, morans" protest sign.

It's hard to take this forum seriously anymore. It's been overrun by Obama bashers and the right wing extremists masquerading as Republicans.

I just wish some days it was at least overrun by reactionaries who could at least spell better than a 5th grader or who can write a simple declarative sentence.

For instance, one of the reasons I like to read posts by guys like Jockboy is that they are erudite and eloquent, and his arguments are logical and coherent, not just because he is a liberal.

love this sequence

first insufferable JUBBER 1 gets on a poster for a mis-spelled word

then equally insufferable JUBBER 2 gets on the "mis-speller" some more with some added drivel

then insufferable JUBBER 1 verbally blows often insufferable JUBBER 3, waxing about his coherence-ability

Only on JUB would such acute lameness exist for all to see - with constant reminders just in case

Lame away boys

Lame away

 

[Kulindahr]

things are always more interesting with divergent views

No, not always. In the real world, there are times when divergent views can be fatally detrimental.

... what has been frustrating is that modern conservatives/Republicans don't really have any ideas, at least none they are willing to express in public.
....
It's easy to criticize, but difficult to actually come up with alternatives. Multiple times, some of us have thrown out a challenge to Conservative or Republican JUBBers to tell us what they believe the Republicans should do, or will do. We've yet to get an answer.

I can remember more times that I've answered for the Republicans than they've answered for themselves. Kinda sad when someone who is highly suspicious of you can state your position better than you can.

And US-centric... might as well call the site JustUsBoys.US instead of .com! As a result I just scan CE&P, but it does seem to be very right-wing, as you say.

So start going to gay bars and stuff and telling people to get on JUB -- have a ""Canuck Club" and ambush us.

The Democrats and President Obama seem to have forgotten that part of the role of political leaders is to educate. It is unrealistic to expect people to support big changes if your political leaders are unable or unwilling to articulate how those changes fit into a larger plan to make the country a stronger and better place.

A local pundit here argued during the elections that Obama should have set up a TV classroom sort of like FDR's fireside, and played Ross Perot teaching the country about what was actually at stake. I may have mentioned it here -- don't remember -- but my guess is that if he'd done so in a friendly common-sense way the Republicans would have about twenty fewer seats in the House, maybe a couple less in the Senate.

The conservatives and Republicans on JUB simply complain and criticize. There's nothing to talk to them about really because they don't have the balls to put their policy proscriptions forward because they (a) know all they have to offer are the failed policies of the Bush/Cheney years, or (b) they just don't have a clue and are too embarrassed to admit it.

Well, (b) may be the case, but (a) is untrue. Those policies may be all they know, but they're not all they've got.
I've more than once taken a Republican to task for not even knowing what their party has going, and only being there because they hate things. I figure if you hate things, you either figure out the reasons why and have rational remedies, or stay home and get drunk and stay out of the way of the rest of us.

 

[Kulindahr]

I kind of agree with you here. But you have to admit, and I think you did, Candidate Obama, is entirely different from President Obama. It seems even his most Liberal base has no idea where he stands. He seems to be all over the place. Lord knows, I'm not a Bush lover, (in every sense of the term), but it did seem like we knew what we were getting with him.

Obama would have done well to have kept up with the promise to have legislation posted where everyone could read it, and better to have spent twenty minutes weekly explaining what had been accomplished. That, at least, would have silenced the whole "He hasn't accomplished anything!" claim.

HERE HERE!!!!!!!!

Where where?

 

[Kulindahr]

And for some of the others, they may be homosexual but they are anything but gay.

Are you running for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Gay?

Some people on the Right think that you and I should be dead.

Painfully.

Appears a nerve has been tweaked here.

But you still remind me of that guy with the morans sign.

ON TOPIC:

Like I already said, it's hard to take this forum seriously anymore. Bait, argue, scold, criticize, bash, bash, bash.

Bob, all too often, you're part of that. For people who don't know you, a lot of your satire comes across as hate.

 

[rareboy]

love this sequence

first insufferable JUBBER 1 gets on a poster for a mis-spelled word

then equally insufferable JUBBER 2 gets on the "mis-speller" some more with some added drivel

then insufferable JUBBER 1 verbally blows often insufferable JUBBER 3, waxing about his coherence-ability

Only on JUB would such acute lameness exist for all to see - with constant reminders just in case

Lame away boys

Lame away

Nahhhhhhh

We'll all wait for some more of your lofty and learned dissertations from the insufferable and apparently ever suffering right wing reactionary front.

And it isn't a problem of a misspelled word.

It is just a little problem with the dumbing down of America.

And the angry, poorly educated, poorly travelled and generally blinkered populace who no longer even aspire to intellectual discourse.

One crutch or two?

 

[JayHawk]

^^Still the model of even headed intelligent debate I see.

 

[CowboyBob]

^^Still the model of even headed intelligent debate I see.

Do you have the capability for debate or did you just stop by for insults?

 

[JayHawk]

I posted a real reply ...stupidity ensued... i will stick with what your puttin out till it changes sugar cakes.

 

[bankside]

Well, I've posted less frequently there over the past couple of weeks.

I apologize.

I see you've all noticed that my usual wisdom has been, if not absent, then sparsely represented. You miss me. I know, it'll be okay though.

 

[CowboyBob]

I posted a real reply ...stupidity ensued... i will stick with what your puttin out till it changes sugar cakes.

Your definition of "real replies" makes about as much sense as a Trig Palin getting a MBA, Snugglekins. But we still love you anyway.

 

[JayHawk]

No purse fight.....

I dunno it does seem like all those that bitch for a better happier peaceful zen conference on JUB are just as guilty of getting smarmy and insulting.


I kind like smarmy and insulting ....reminds me of the Sunday after weekend bar scene with manly men and queens alike sipping on bloddies and rattling each others cages.