Fox News argues over Obama win

[JayHawk]

Excrement is much more correct.

Every time I hear Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck or O'Reilly espouse blatant lies for what is the democratic party and what is the reason people voted, I then become more and more solid in my fervent desire to never let a candidate they support run anything.

 

[chance1]

LOL

Now that Romney has been vanquished, it's full time on Fox time

haha

 

[frankfrank]

Bill O'Reilly blamed hurricane sandy and said it changed the election... I don't even know why I tuned in on Fox News... I just wanted to see all the nasty excuses. First time I've ever watched that station.

It did change the election, but not enough to change the game. It might have given Virginia to Obama, but that's about all I can see.

HOW IN THE HELL DO I STOP THESE QUOTES FROM COMING BACK OVER AND OVER? I thought they were cleared from my queue, then all of a sudden they appear...again.

Fox cares about .....

Ratings

As does AMC and MSNBC

All My Children???

 

[frankfrank]

Somebody told me that I should "uncheck" those two posts from the [multiple quote] function, but I found those two original posts and there is NOT a multiple quote checkmark on them, so I can't do anything. I'll hafve to send in a bug report, I guess??

It's not the end of the world but, with these two phantom quotes (which were long ago used as intended) continuing to clutter my queue, it cuts down on the # of posts I can quote before it automatically goes into the "reply to thread" mode.

EDIT: I just posted it in the Bugs thread.

 

[JayHawk]

Have you tried to check them and then unchecked them... i dunno. I had the same issue then found them checked in their original threads....

 

[Jack Springer]

LOL

Now that Romney has been vanquished, it's full time on Fox time

haha

. . . but they'll only watch FOX on MSNBC.

Sometimes I think the only reason MSNBC gets the ratings they do is because of all their FOX News Channel coverage.

If you were to take away the FOX bashing on MSNBC -- what would you have --- Morning Joe and Lockup.

 

[Sausy]

If MSNBC had any balls it would move Joe back to prime time...hell I'd watch him because he's no cookie cutter conservative windbag.It has to be more than unhinged interrupted by snark (Matthews, Schultz, O'Donnell and Maddow). And without his liberal babysitter, Mika. She's actually pretty good...can handle the morning on her own or give her another thinking conservative (they DO exist even in this GOP era) to hold court with.

 

[Jack Springer]

Good idea Sausy. I'd like to see FOX add another liberal to The Five it would make the show more interesting -- maybe move it into prime time if O'Reilly retires.

MSNBC's primetime is way too liberal. FOX makes it more balanced with one extreme between two moderates.

Hopefully MSNBC will come to their senses and cut The Rev and Matthews and add a news program in the evening -- it's rather odd to not have a news program on a news channel.

 

[chance1]

Joe was balls to wall on the Petraeus story this am

It's like he got the memo

"It's ok to talk"

Not sure if he'd be as good w/o the crew to keep him real if occasionally too quiet

 

[Sausy]

Good idea Sausy. I'd like to see FOX add another liberal to The Five it would make the show more interesting -- maybe move it into prime time if O'Reilly retires.

MSNBC's primetime is way too liberal. FOX makes it more balanced with one extreme between two moderates.

Hopefully MSNBC will come to their senses and cut The Rev and Matthews and add a news program in the evening -- it's rather odd to not have a news program on a news channel.

Greta has too many of the worst familiar GOP ultraconservatives on... Bill is still conservative, not as doctrinaire as Sean but not really a moderate. FOX needs to give more time to independent voices, not throwing conservatives under the bus but appealing to moderates in both parties as well as independents who don't care for what progressives want to enact, but aren't right wing zealots either. David Brooks ad an amazing column on how the GOP can cast a positive conservative message and be known, while the Democrats are the "party of security" the Republicans would be the "party of work".Conservatism at least as represented by the GOP is only dead if the religious right and the Koch Corporatists aren't pushed aside for a positive message celebrating traditions of hard work, self reliance and community spirit that best represent conservative traditions....what speaks best about America. He would be perfect even if derided by activists on the right because he works for the New York Times and doesn't always toe a purist conservative line.... Fox audiences ARE NOT exclusively conservative activists anyway, not by a long shot.

FOX has to re-invent itself...go beyond Trump, Rush, Rove, Morris, Malkin, Palin as their go to faces. Their news and analysis shows hosted by Sheppard Smith and Bret Baier are excellent... they have some great individual repoerters. But Ailes has to take the partisan sting out of their culture. Fair and balanced they're not overall.... they don't have to become MSNBC. Just broaden what they are. Hell at least they got tired of Beck.

 

[White Eagle]

Oddly, you need to look in Hot Topics for such a thread - I think there's two of them there.

Ah! I never think about Hot Topics! Thanks.

 

[Sausy]

Also love the suggestion about "the Five"... the conservatives on the panel are terrific actually, pretty responsible. LOVE Dana Perino...Greg Gutfeld is a hoot even if pretty snarky and Andrea Tantaros isn't blonde or a Michelle Malkin/Sarah Palin/ Michelle Bachmann at least! Love Bob Beckel personally if not some of his views..he's on very good terms personally with conservatives,EVEN Sean Hannity. Takes politics seriously but not himself...like Tip O'Neill he can socialize without demonizing the other side as an inplacable enemy but stay true to his principles. I would like to see him get someone close philosophically with a similar personal temperament(Joe Trippi is excellent....worked for Howard Dean but often one of the most thoughtful liberal perspectives as a guest on some FOX shows). Anyway, even now other than Joe, FOX has more diversity than MSNBC-DNC. If they act rather than get defensive and edgy they can showcase something worth watching that doesn't have a progressive slant.

According to a recent poll taken on Election Day....we are diverse politically as a nation. 35% identify as conservative, 25% as liberal/left. But 40% identify as centrists who oppose ideologically purist labels...they often take some from both and are pragmatic, not into social engineering visions of America right OR left. FOX needs to respect them more...hell grow that demographic! They need not throw conservative perspectives under a bus but since we ARE really a center-right nation listen and accomodate the views of the center more. More" fair" and much more "balanced" than the equation they have now.

 

[Kulindahr]

Greta has too many of the worst familiar GOP ultraconservatives on... Bill is still conservative, not as doctrinaire as Sean but not really a moderate. FOX needs to give more time to independent voices, not throwing conservatives under the bus but appealing to moderates in both parties as well as independents who don't care for what progressives want to enact, but aren't right wing zealots either. David Brooks ad an amazing column on how the GOP can cast a positive conservative message and be known, while the Democrats are the "party of security" the Republicans would be the "party of work".Conservatism at least as represented by the GOP is only dead if the religious right and the Koch Corporatists aren't pushed aside for a positive message celebrating traditions of hard work, self reliance and community spirit that best represent conservative traditions....what speaks best about America. He would be perfect even if derided by activists on the right because he works for the New York Times and doesn't always toe a purist conservative line.... Fox audiences ARE NOT exclusively conservative activists anyway, not by a long shot.

FOX has to re-invent itself...go beyond Trump, Rush, Rove, Morris, Malkin, Palin as their go to faces. Their news and analysis shows hosted by Sheppard Smith and Bret Baier are excellent... they have some great individual repoerters. But Ailes has to take the partisan sting out of their culture. Fair and balanced they're not overall.... they don't have to become MSNBC. Just broaden what they are. Hell at least they got tired of Beck.

"The Party of Work" will only work if they move back to the conservative tradition of taxing those who can afford to pay when the nation needs the bucks. The super-wealthy for the most part do no work -- and get rewarded immensely for it. Merely doing that would serve to take some of the partisan sting out of the culture, because it would make Republicans look sensible to the majority of Americans who actually get that we're all in this together, that being a country is more than just happening to reside within a set of borders.

 

[Sausy]

"The Party of Work" will only work if they move back to the conservative tradition of taxing those who can afford to pay when the nation needs the bucks. The super-wealthy for the most part do no work -- and get rewarded immensely for it. Merely doing that would serve to take some of the partisan sting out of the culture, because it would make Republicans look sensible to the majority of Americans who actually get that we're all in this together, that being a country is more than just happening to reside within a set of borders.

That's one of the suggestions by David Brooks...not create super PACS and promote the interests alone of the extraordinarily wealthy but to spend instead trying to devise ways of getting America back to work and supporting them. Taxes cannot of themselves be off the table though driving tax rates up isn't the answer. Tax reform is essential and if more of the wealthy simply pay a certain definable percentage and close loopholes it will be a great step in making our system fairer without being punitive. We ARE in this together...though many on the right AND the left will never stop seeing everyone on the opposite side as horrible people with the worst of intentions and motivations. Real leaders can make us feel as part of one community...Obama is our President but has proven beyond all doubt however he is NOT that kind of leader.

 

[T-Rexx]

Real leaders can make us feel as part of one community...Obama is our President but has proven beyond all doubt however he is NOT that kind of leader.

You mean, the way Obama failed to make us gays feel part of the American community, by supporting gay rights more enthusiastically than any president in American history?

Or the way the Democratic Party failed to make us feel part of the community by advocating gay marriage as part of the party platform?

Then again, there are those "real leaders" like GWB and Mitt Romney, who make us feel "part of one community" by advocating constitutional amendments that would make certain we never belong to the American community. Ever.

 

[star-warrior]

We ARE in this together...though many on the right AND the left will never stop seeing everyone on the opposite side as horrible people with the worst of intentions and motivations[A]. Real leaders can make us feel as part of one community...Obama is our President but has proven beyond all doubt however he is NOT that kind of leader .

I think Sausy was saying that was referring to [A], that is, Obama is a real leader that would lead the country for all the people.

Seems like he worded it slightly off, and it's come out badly...

 

[star-warrior]

I'm not sure looking at it. It's strangely worded.

We'll find out when he reappears, but I'm acquainted offline with with his thinking elsewhere, and he is pro-Obama, even though he has a conservative leaning bias.

 

[rareboy]

Sausy doesn't think that Obama is a leader, let alone one that can unite all Americans.

Whatever.

I don't think that person even exists any more...if they ever did. I certainly don't remember it from history books or in my lifetime.

 

[JayHawk]

I dont think Obama is the kind of leader who would thrive in this massively partisan world.

I think perhaps he is smart enough to listen to criticism however.

People said he should give up time each week to talk to both sides from capitol hill and develop relationships. Well they are doing that this week. It remains to be seen if it will bear fruit or if he will continue the practice. I certainly hope it does.

However there is a lot of shit coming the Obama and democratic way. hate and loathing over Obamacare's cost and the inevitable cuts we will see to reduce those they have to pay for in various companies is going to push us close to no growth again and if it perpetuates could cause a recession. It is a difficult pill to swallow and the nation needs it but politically it is going to put a lot of capitol in the other party's pocket.

Petraeus and Benghazi and the CIA's failures there will be a huge egg in face item. Don't know exactly how all this plays out but the Administration has had a great deal of success prosecuting the war on terror. You don't get there without risk and I think Benghazi will turn out to highlight many of those risk. Benghazi will also dampen any enthusiasm for other similar projects.

The thing never focused on this election which will be a critical and potentially costly matter in both treasure and diplomatic capitol is the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The only legitimate method to take everything out is through Pakistan who wants something like a million dollar a ship departure fee. SO we will not pay it and have to shit in their Wheaties to get the job done.

Those items will typify the first two years, republicans if time is a witness will use all of that to their advantage and take the house and a few Senate seats... potentially take the Senate and then it will be Obama Lame duck land while we run up for '16. The economy will barely sputter into positive territory.

As soon as Republicans start railing on all of these issues Obama will stop talking to them just like he stopped in June talking to congress because it was a waste of time.

These are what I see coming.

 

[star-warrior]

The Chinese says 'The difference between Obama and Romney is....."