Fuck me... USA does it again -- kids with guns!

[jackoroe]

Thanks for your concern. How about we adress our own problems and you worry about your side of the pond? OK?

 

[tonyboy]

A massive bust? Hardly.
Man, in a population of almost 300 million there are bound to be a few loony people. You certainly have your share there too.

 

[chris0626]

This doesn't surprise me at all.

Although I believe in the right to bear arms (I don't particularly want a gun, but to each his own), it is just WAY to easy to get one. It needs to be harder, almost next to impossible, IMO.

This would require major oversight on the gov'ts part, which they can ill-afford.

There is no easy answer to this. Taking away that right (to bear arms) violates the constitution.

I think that if the automobile were around when the constitution was written, it too would be a 'right' instead of the privledge it is considered. We take away people's right to drive all the time, I think we should be able to take their guns too.

 

[chris0626]

And, let's not let this thread turn into a "mind your own business across the pond" crap-fest either.

Everyone's opinion on this subject is worthy and telling someone otherwise is ignorant.

 

[gsdx]

I'd love to comment but, as a Brit, I now realise that any opinion I may have is completly worthless.

That applies to Canucks, too, mate.

Apparently.

 

[chris0626]

That applies to Canucks, too, mate.

Apparently.

No, it doesn't... Comment away.

As I understand it, Canada, per capita, has MORE handguns than the US, but next to NONE of the violence... why is that? (I honestly don't know)

 

[gsdx]

As I understand it, Canada, per capita, has MORE handguns than the US, but next to NONE of the violence... why is that? (I honestly don't know)

If this is true, I have never seen them. The only handguns I've ever seen have been in police holsters. I have never in my life seen a handgun drawn and/or aimed at anyone.

 

[looseliam]

I agree with the foreigners: we're fucked.

What I want to know is what is so bad at school for these kids that they have to do this.

I also want to know how no one notices any red flags in the time before this shit happens.

I hate the school system.

 

[bma1983]

While your concern for the US is much appreciated, why don't you first worry about what's happening in your own backyard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1471716.stm

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article1705580.ece

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article1603805.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/5372102.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5372456.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/5372378.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/5372342.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lincolnshire/5371022.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/5371604.stm

http://www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?id=426547

I guess crazy nut jobs are in the UK as well. Who would have thought?

 

[gsdx]

I also want to know how no one notices any red flags in the time before this shit happens.

If I remember correctly, Columbine was announced on the internet a long time before it happened, but the police could do nothing because nothing had happened yet.

 

[chris0626]

I agree with the foreigners: we're fucked.

What I want to know is what is so bad at school for these kids that they have to do this.

I also want to know how no one notices any red flags in the time before this shit happens.

I hate the school system.

I'd also like to know what's 'so bad' that they feel guns are the only answer...

If they got them from home, their parents ought to held accountable for not having the damn things locked up.

As for red flags, unfortunately, it seems to be that, as a society, we've become increasingly and incessently obsessed with a 'me me me and more me' attitude... it doesn't surprise me that no one saw it coming or did see it and did nothing.

 

[gsdx]

This is true, there was a website that was found.

Thank you. I saw it on American Justice a long time ago and I thought it was Columbine, but I wasn't sure. I believe some parents had complained to the police because their son's name had been on the 'hit list' on the website. They made the police aware of the site. It's scary that the incident might have been prevented.

 

[hurynwait2]

Just my opinion but I think most of it comes from their upbringing. I know teens rebel against parents but I think they are partially to blame.

 

[just_mills]

While your concern for the US is much appreciated, why don't you first worry about what's happening in your own backyard.
I guess crazy nut jobs are in the UK as well. Who would have thought?

bellend, with the snide comments.. he's just noticing what terrible states your country gets into!
I completely agree with Joes posting!!

I feel America needs to sort out the whole guns-parade!! An incredibely silly law to have IMHO.. WHY anyone NEEDS a gun is beyond me?!.. See the problems they cause! They do more harm, than good!




(America Vs. The Rest of the World; Round 346364)

FIGHT!

 

[chris0626]

I feel America needs to sort out the whole guns-parade!! An incredibely silly law to have IMHO.. WHY anyone NEEDS a gun is beyond me?!.. See the problems they cause! They do more harm, than good!

I absolutely agree, however, with that 'law' being a 'right' (which will never change), the problem continues to be, "what do we do about it?"

 

[Pegasus69]

It is true that we have issues over here on "our" side of the pond. But we are no better or worse than other countries. The issues may be a little different, but really, we are all fucked up in one sense or another. I do feel that guns are a little too easy to obtain. I believe in background checks and mandatory classes on gun safety. I think that the biggest issue though is not the guns but the fact that someone feels the need to respond in this manner, for what ever grievance, real or imagined, they may have developed. High school for me was horrible and I was the subject of gay bashing and ridiculed for other reasons as well (we were poor, my mother was from the south and living in New England, I was the only kid in our high school who's parents were divorced, we were not one of the old established families). I may have fantasized about leaving, running away or never going to school again, but not once did I ever think that going into school with a gun or a bomb was the way the take care of the problem. I think that there are many other factors involved that bring kids to this level of action.

 

[bma1983]

bellend, with the snide comments.. he's just noticing what terrible states your country gets into!
I completely agree with Joes posting!!

I feel America needs to sort out the whole guns-parade!! An incredibely silly law to have IMHO.. WHY anyone NEEDS a gun is beyond me?!.. See the problems they cause! They do more harm, than good!




(America Vs. The Rest of the World; Round 346364)

FIGHT!

Uh, I live in the US. I don't need anyone pointing out the "terrible state" in which my country is in. I know already.

There's nothing wrong with commenting on issues that face the US or any other country. But when you do it with a stuck-up “your country bad, my country good” attitude, that’s where I see the problem. I don’t like it when people in the US do it to other countries, and I don’t like it when other countries do it to mine.

The purpose of my post was to show that neither of us is living is paradise. But I'm not about to criticize your or anybody else’s country. My own country has its own woes.

As they say, folks in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[just_mills]

As they say, folks in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You're right.
Throw rocks at old people.

 

[GL]

I could be totally wrong here, but to me the one thing that links all of these incidents isn't the weaponry itself but that the perpetrators are all kids who appeared to have self esteem issues. It seems that most of them were all outcasts. They tend to have been unpopular kids who were picked on and maligned for any multiple reasons. They lashed out as a result.

 

[bma1983]

You're right.
Throw rocks at old people.

That's more like it!