Funny anti-religious Internet pics

[Kulindahr]

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Does the bible say anything about Christian Rock being a punishment from god for people who enjoy music?

Some of it sure seems that way . . . .

but I think it would be just another result of free will.

 

[johaninsc]

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[johaninsc]

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The Lord is Risen!

..going to take a bit more than three days to get up from that one

 

[johaninsc]

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[belamyi]

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Because they do not actually understand one or the other, let alone both: they just swallow, and since what they swallow is the bigger one, there is not place for the rest
And that is not just about religion: that how most people work, according to their programmed set of beliefs...

 

[Kulindahr]

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Awesome.

 

[Kulindahr]

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Because they do not actually understand one or the other, let alone both: they just swallow, and since what they swallow is the bigger one, there is not place for the rest
And that is not just about religion: that how most people work, according to their programmed set of beliefs...

While student teaching I got some infuriated phone calls from parents all riled up that I was attacking their kids' faith. Responses got interesting when I responded that as a Christian I considered it my responsibility to teach all the students to think clearly -- after all, God said "Come now, let us reason together", and you can't do reasoning without understanding what you're talking about.

Their complaint? I insisted that until a student actually understood evolution, he or she keep his or her trap shut as far as claims it was false. I didn't care if they thought it was silly, awesome, boring, or whatever, I only cared that they understood it.

I actually got that point across to some fundies. What I could never have gotten across was a more basic point: literalism makes understanding impossible (because it involves the common philosophical fallacy of imposing an outside set of beliefs on a system of thought rather than judging that system on its merits). It doesn't matter whether it's a fundy or an atheist; approaching the Bible from a literalist point of view eliminates all possibility of understanding.

Of course it also makes those doing it look like morons.

 

[bort138]

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[zoltanspawn]

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While student teaching I got some infuriated phone calls from parents all riled up that I was attacking their kids' faith. Responses got interesting when I responded that as a Christian I considered it my responsibility to teach all the students to think clearly -- after all, God said "Come now, let us reason together", and you can't do reasoning without understanding what you're talking about.

Their complaint? I insisted that until a student actually understood evolution, he or she keep his or her trap shut as far as claims it was false. I didn't care if they thought it was silly, awesome, boring, or whatever, I only cared that they understood it.

I actually got that point across to some fundies. What I could never have gotten across was a more basic point: literalism makes understanding impossible (because it involves the common philosophical fallacy of imposing an outside set of beliefs on a system of thought rather than judging that system on its merits). It doesn't matter whether it's a fundy or an atheist; approaching the Bible from a literalist point of view eliminates all possibility of understanding.

Of course it also makes those doing it look like morons.

But Kulindahr, you yourself believe that parts of the bible are the literal truth. Big, important parts. Am I mistaken?

It doesn't seem fair to interpret the resurrection of Christ literally, e.g., and then criticize literalists on the other hand.

 

[bankside]

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Round down the fanciful to "metaphor."
Round up the vaguely plausible to "factual."
Take anything utterly imaginary to be "transcendent TRUTH" to unite both fact and metaphor.

Then you're there! You're only supposed to take the literal parts literally! Sheesh.

 

[Kulindahr]

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But Kulindahr, you yourself believe that parts of the bible are the literal truth. Big, important parts. Am I mistaken?

It doesn't seem fair to interpret the resurrection of Christ literally, e.g., and then criticize literalists on the other hand.

This is the same stupidity the fundamentalists spout -- they don't care what the Bible really is or says, they just want to treat it all the same. It's cognitive laziness.

Yes, parts are written as literal truth. But to treat all of it as literal truth when it wasn't written that way is just asinine -- which is why the moment someone goes literalist, all ability of knowing anything is gone; the result is just nonsense.

Both atheists and fundamentalists who want to treat the Bible as something written a generation ago in reasonably modern English are embarrassments to the notion that man is a rational animal.

 

[Kulindahr]

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Round down the fanciful to "metaphor."
Round up the vaguely plausible to "factual."
Take anything utterly imaginary to be "transcendent TRUTH" to unite both fact and metaphor.

Then you're there! You're only supposed to take the literal parts literally! Sheesh.

No rounding at all -- you take them as they were written. The fact that you stick only to the sorts of literary approach you know shows you're not any more interested in honesty and accuracy than those who take the parables as literal.

 

[zoltanspawn]

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This is the same stupidity the fundamentalists spout -- they don't care what the Bible really is or says, they just want to treat it all the same. It's cognitive laziness.

Yes, parts are written as literal truth. But to treat all of it as literal truth when it wasn't written that way is just asinine -- which is why the moment someone goes literalist, all ability of knowing anything is gone; the result is just nonsense.

Both atheists and fundamentalists who want to treat the Bible as something written a generation ago in reasonably modern English are embarrassments to the notion that man is a rational animal.

I think it would be much fairer for you to say more clearly, then, that interpreting the whole of the Bible literally makes understanding impossible.

As written in your previous post and elsewhere, you've given the impression that you are not a literalist.

But the very core of your beliefs (for example, the resurrection) is that of a literalist.

Thanks for clarifying your position.

 

[johaninsc]

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[johaninsc]

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[johaninsc]

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[Kulindahr]

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I think it would be much fairer for you to say more clearly, then, that interpreting the whole of the Bible literally makes understanding impossible.

As written in your previous post and elsewhere, you've given the impression that you are not a literalist.

But the very core of your beliefs (for example, the resurrection) is that of a literalist.

No, the core is to read it for what it is. Literalism reads literally without any care as to what is meant.

 

[Kulindahr]

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What fantasy god is that supposed to be about?

 

[johaninsc]

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What fantasy god is that supposed to be about?

the one that's the central character in that fantasy book called The Bible

 

[zoltanspawn]

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No, the core is to read it for what it is. Literalism reads literally without any care as to what is meant.

So...your belief in the literal resurrection of Christ is peripheral to your christianity?

Reading the resurrection of Christ literally is careless as to what is meant?