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Funny anti-religious Internet pics

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johaninsc said:
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Kulindahr said:
God wants to prevent evil, but He put us in charge of the universe and our own lives.
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"And that's where concentration camps come from, children."
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Jesus lets there be foot-roasting because vague concepts about choice are SUPER important.

Christians might pay lipservice to this sort of theology, but I don't think they subscribe to it, not when it really matters; if they do, I would say they're missing some healthy, important and regular constituents of human nature.

Kulindahr said:
That's not remotely close to what he said.
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Actually, substituting the particular example of evil I supplied and referring back to Epicurus' un-willingness of god to prevent evil that is the entire basis of this discussion, it is an exact quote. \/ :rolleyes:

Kyanimal said:
Let's go with this for a moment ...

Supposedly, we are created in His image. Each of us are a little piece of God. Therefore, He does have care, and concern, for Us, and how we're doing. However, not being a Puppet Master, He also granted Us "Free Will".

He passed down his wishes, and desires, for the ways we might comport ourselves, but also left it up to Us as to whether we would listen, and follow, or not.

We're also free to misinterpret, and even purposefully distort, His teachings. We are the ones left to create/manipulate the conditions in which we live here on Earth.

"Good" and "Evil" do, indeed, become evident through Our choices, and Our actions, because we Know how to "behave", but choose not to.

God is not a dictator nor interventionist. It is Through US that His positive intentions are carried out, or not. We are the physical beings in the physical World. We can choose to accept that Responsibility, or even deny and/or actively work against it.

What happens here is not God's doing, it is Ours. :goodevil: #-o ](*,)
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Kulindahr said:
God wants to prevent evil, but He put us in charge of the universe and our own lives.
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There's just the point: we want to prevent evil too. And, apparently, we are in charge of the universe (?!) and our own lives. So where does evil come from then?
 
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zoltanspawn said:
Does this provide you with a satisfactory answer when contemplating, for example, children who have been tortured to death?

God chooses to do nothing to stop children from being tortured to death because we haven't comported ourselves with his wishes?

This is certainly a malevolent, as Epicurus says, (and petty) version of god.

There are better Christian reflections on our human state than that our poor behavior is the cause of all those innocents' griefs.
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Actually, Yes! Rather than asking what God is doing about it, or letting it happen, the question should be what are We doing about it, and trying to prevent it?

It is precisely our own poor behavior that is the cause of all those innocents' griefs. So ... What are We going to do about it?
 
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zoltanspawn said:
"And that's where concentration camps come from, children."
or
Jesus lets there be foot-roasting because vague concepts about choice are SUPER important.

Christians might pay lipservice to this sort of theology, but I don't think they subscribe to it, not when it really matters; if they do, I would say they're missing some healthy, important and regular constituents of human nature.
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It has nothing to do with "concepts about choice", vague or otherwise.
If, after having assigned us authority over Creation, God stepped in and started interfering with every last individual life -- or, for that matter, even one -- what would His word be worth?

zoltanspawn said:
Actually, substituting the particular example of evil I supplied and referring back to Epicurus' un-willingness of god to prevent evil that is the entire basis of this discussion, it is an exact quote. \/ :rolleyes:
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You highlighted minor elements and missed the point. Your error is sort of like looking at a new minivan and saying, "It's just like a barn -- they both have doors!"
 
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bankside said:
There's just the point: we want to prevent evil too.
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Read the news much? Of what "we" do you speak?

bankside said:
And, apparently, we are in charge of the universe (?!) and our own lives. So where does evil come from then?
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Your sentence answers your question.
 
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Kulindahr said:
It has nothing to do with "concepts about choice", vague or otherwise.
If, after having assigned us authority over Creation, God stepped in and started interfering with every last individual life -- or, for that matter, even one -- what would His word be worth?
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Nothing apparently. Unless drowning everyone in a flood or turning them to NaCl is "not interfering."

Kulindahr said:
You highlighted minor elements and missed the point. Your error is sort of like looking at a new minivan and saying, "It's just like a barn -- they both have doors!"
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Your error is sort of like looking at a ford pinto and saying "It's just a fuel tank - that's a minor element - hardly the whole car. You should buy it anyway."
 
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Kyanimal said:
Actually, Yes! Rather than asking what God is doing about it, or letting it happen, the question should be what are We doing about it, and trying to prevent it?

It is precisely our own poor behavior that is the cause of all those innocents' griefs. So ... What are We going to do about it?
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When I ask if you are satisfied by the answer you are giving, I mean in general. That is, to be satisfying the answer should be adequate to account for the problem, and should be adequate whenever and however the problem presents itself.

So, when you are thinking about children being tortured to death, I don't mean merely abstractly, I mean in all the circumstances such things occur, by careful consideration and rigorous thought. I mean, by considering real life, as children really are tortured to death, how, and with what real consequences. Suppose a couple's young daughter was murdered by being burned to death with a blowtorch; she suffered an agonizing, prolonged death for a psychopath's pleasure. Now suppose you want to give your reply about why such an unimaginable thing happened. I think if your answer really is satisfactory you would be willing to give it to the parents. You think the answer is adequate, so you would say something as you already stated "Your daughter was burnt to death because of poor human behavior; God is good, and though he could have prevented your daughter's prolonged misery, torture and death, he allowed it so that we could do something about such things."

If you could give a reply like this, I agree with you that you really do find your answer satisfactory, and there is no problem with god's un-willingness to prevent evil. (I would not give this reply.)

However, if you think such a reply about the daughter's miserable death is lacking something, then it doesn't seem like a satisfactory answer after all.
 
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