g0ys.org (Thoughts)

[EricCage]

I was searching the web for (can't really remember what now) and came upon the term g0y which is a spin off from gay I guess. Just that It's guys into guys but not into anal activities and effeminate behaviour.

I was wondering, how many of you jubbers know of the g0y movement (if it can be called that) and how many think that they are, well, g0y as opposed to being gay. Keep in mind that you can be bi/g0y.

Yours thoughts are welcome.

 

[NedNickerson]

Re: g0y?

The only use for the word "goy" I've ever known was the Yiddish term for a "non-Jewish" person...

So if you see an personal ad like this:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cas/245860012.html

Gay goy seeks nice (horny) straight Jewish boy - m4m (Downtown)

it means the person is gay and non-Jewish...

 

[buzzj]

Re: g0y?

I can envision a long-running Neil Simon play that hinges on a misunderstanding between g0y and goy in a personals ad!

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

You know, I'm rather asghast at how many young gay men are doing WHATEVER they can to not be gay, including some inventing new words and some insisting that "gay" means you hang out in bath houses, so they're not gay.

(there's a thread right now in the coming out forum that I've REALLY held back on, but if it was out here, I'd have really laid into the guy who posted it. Weak people really make my blood boil)

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

Oh.. and if you're a guy and you're into guys, you're gay, you're not " goy" or "Same Sex Oriented" and you're not "Just into guys buy you know.. not gay".

Fuck, it's like spines got smaller in a generation.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

back in my early 20s, I knew this pathetic guy named "Dave."

He spent 90% of his time trying to convince us all how "straight acting" he was, and most of his stories he'd tell would somehow work in how shocked people were that he was gay.

He's refuse to call himself gay, and would occasionally hint that he had sex with girls, but we never once saw him with a girl, never once actually heard about him having sex with girls and he never mentioned girls when he was drunk.

He said he didn't want to be called "gay" becuase it just had so many other meanings.

"Gay men are the ones who wear chiffon and drink white wine," he'd say, "They spend all their time in bath houses and parks having sex, they go out of their way to freak out normal people by the way they act. They dress in drag."

He'd also try to convince me to not call myself "gay" because I was "too much of a guy" to be "gay".

I once snapped back at him "So does that make you just 'Heterosexually Challenged?'"

He shut up.

Of course, he grew out of all that noise just like all the lame-tards in the mid-90s who called themselves "post-gay" because they thought that "gay" made them seem to feminine. it didn't occur to them that "post-gay" made them sound asexual and it doesn't occur to the guys now that "g0y" makes you sound like a crashed Jewish computer.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

yes.

that thread really makes me wanna let loose, but in a no-flame zone, I'll let cooler heads prevail.

This isn't a no-flame zone.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

Hard to respect the opinion that "gay" means glory holes and bath houses.

I wouldn't respect that from an Evangelical Christian, why should I respect it from you?

 

[Paladin]

Re: g0y?

Soilwork, must everyone be rampantly, loudly and proudly GAY?

I can understand the dilemma some people find themselves in, of shying away from being labelled or stereotyped so drastically. Once you say "I'm gay" to the world, people (rightly) fear that's ALL they will ever be perceived to be.

And life is about more than just our sexuality. Some people don't want to proclaim their sexuality to the rest of the world. Why should they have to? There are sometimes bigger concerns - social acceptance, fitting in, the desire not to be judged automatically one way or another.

Using other terms, weak though you may see them to be, are just baby steps towards finding a place in the world. It might not be as strong and confident as you would like, but it's a start towards self-acceptance.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

OK wait... so if you tell someone you're "g0y" they're going to be totally supportive and if you tell them you're "gay" they're going to have a totally different reaction?

So putting a big zero in the middle of "gay" somehow is goinng to have everyone go "OH.. but it's ok.. he sucks cock but he's just g0y, so he doesn't... you know.. wear lace and stuff?"

isn't "g0y" just another label (and a stupid one at that)?

(and I'm sorry for pointing out the screamingly obvious, but if you're so hell bent on not "proclaiming" your sexuality so you can gain "social acceptence", do you really think telling people you're "g0y" is a way to acheive that? Man, the stupidity here some times make my head spin.)









and finally, WHERE have I said that you have to be rampantly, loudly and proudly gay? I don't think I've ever used the word "rampant" (and I think "rampant" would be used to describe an infection.. so I can see where you're coming from), and I don't think I ever said you have to say anything to "the world."

I just said that making up a label so you don't have to label yourself is stupid.

Because it is.







Jasun.

Has.

Spoken.

 

[Paladin]

Re: g0y?

I might have known this would be the result.

Just forget it then.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

The result would be what?

A little sense?

Yeah, that's a bit lacking in this thread.

 

[Paladin]

Re: g0y?

The result would be a rampant, jump-down-everyone's-throat response from you - which sure enough, has happened.

Yes, I said rampant. When you behave in a such a vehement manner about your favourite pet topic, and you imply that everyone else should do as you say (or be considered "stupid"), you are suggesting that everyone be as fervent as you are about it.

Guess what, the world is not black and white and we aren't all like you. Perhaps you could try a bit of tolerance, you might find that your message gets a better response.

I have sent you a pm. Let's leave it that.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

Great, a PM where you tell me you agree with me, but you'd rather coddle the people who can't say "gay."

I get it.

 

[Paladin]

Re: g0y?

I didn't agree with you. I said we are all on the same side.

Your stance I definitely do not agree with.

 

[Soilwork]

Re: g0y?

My stance that inventing a new "label" to describe a man who is sexually attracted to men is stupid?

OH forget it.. it's Friday.

Have a good weekend.

(and Adidas, if we did that, what would the other 7 of us talk about?)

 

[JackFTwist]

Re: g0y?

I can envision a long-running Neil Simon play that hinges on a misunderstanding between g0y and goy in a personals ad!

"The Odd Couple: The Goyim Years"





Goy means gentile, and their is a term for gays who are afraid to be gay: "neurotic."

Mr Soilwork: you rock! It is amazing how many gay guys lack testicles. Maybe the made up word "g0y" (which is stupid) should be replaced by the more correct "eunuch."

Fuck, it's like spines got smaller in a generation.

I wouldn't respect that from an Evangelical Christian, why should I respect it from you?

Paladin: Many of us have lived in varying degrees of denial and in the closet, but building a fantasy life such as these so called g0y things are doing is just plain lying, intentional self delusion, and damned unhealthy.

 

[JackFTwist]

Re: g0y?

Maybe the board needs a new forum - "self haters zone"

it might be the busiest forum in the place, too

 

[HiddenMalePassion-]

Re: g0y?

I really hate that we have to generalize and stereotype, but that is human nature.

It's so stupid, there are a variety of straight people, feminine straight guys are EVERYWHERE nowadays but no one thinks twice on it, it's fucking hypocripsy at the fullest.

I don't really say I'm any more masculine or feminine. I just like saying I'm me.

 

[Paladin]

Re: g0y?

I too do not approve of labels but I guess they want to distinguish themselves from the mainstream as a subset of male sexuality.

I don't think it's a fantasy life, the way they describe the g0y thing.

They are actually trying to define what I would see as an intermediate stage. If they're prepared to admit to feelings for other men, why should we shout them down.

Just because I am accepting of them, does not make me a self-hater!

Dealing with intolerance and holier-than-thou attitudes gives me a headache.