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Gallup Poll shows pro-lifers at 51% for first time [MERGED]

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A new poll from the Gallup organization reveals that 51% of Americans now consider themselves to be pro-life, up from 44% early last year.

Personally, I think abortion is nobody's business - least of all the government's. Instead of pro-choice and pro-life, I prefer pro-freedom and pro-slavery.

Look at the graph in this article. I wonder what it means, and what it portends for the future?

I wonder, also, if this shift in attitudes will spill over into the area of gay rights.


http://features.csmonitor.com/polit...n-debate-gallup-says-more-americans-pro-life/
 
More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

Is this the Change We've Been Waiting For?


PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42% "pro-choice." This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.

The new results, obtained from Gallup's annual Values and Beliefs survey, represent a significant shift from a year ago, when 50% were pro-choice and 44% pro-life.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx


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Is this the Change We've Been Waiting For?





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How did you get the graph to show up on JUB?
I just posted a similar thread several minutes ago and couldn't quite make that work.
 
Re: More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

Henry, Nick's graphic is linked directly from the Gallup website.

Yours, from the CSM website, is here:

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To post it, right click on the graphic in the website and choose "Save Link" or "Copy Link".

Then, when composing your JUB message, click on the "Image Link" icon and paste the link in when requested.
 
Re: Gallup Poll shows pro-lifers at 51% for first time

Look at the graph in this article. I wonder what it means, and what it portends for the future?

I wonder, also, if this shift in attitudes will spill over into the area of gay rights.

According to the linked article, Gallup suggests the shift is a result of policy changes instituted by the Obama Administration combined with the opinions of younger people in the population ...

[Pollster Nate Silver] said there’s “decent evidence” that those in Generation Y might be more pro-life than their older counterparts (Gen X and the Baby Boomers).

“This is in spite of the fact that young Americans are considerably more liberal than their peers on issues like gay marriage …”
 
I draw the line at partial-birth and late term. Sorry, if you're into your 2nd and 3rd trimester and then figure out you don't want kids you're pretty screwed up. And the birthing-to-death abortion that was apparently going on in Illinois? Whoever legalized that should be shot. Frankly, there's no reason for abortion except in cases of rape and such or endangerment of the mother. Ruling out those reasons, there's birth control pills, IUD's, and the morning after pill available for whores and sluts.

some women are whores... if you keep getting abortions... that's wrong. I think legally a woman should be entitled to ONE abortion.. because we ALL make mistakes. Things happen. But you shouldn't need another abortion. Use protection and birth control. You are bring a HUMAN CHILD into this world!
 
The graph shows a distinct drop off of support for the choice position that started in March or April of 2008. You can't blame Obama for that.

The question seems loaded to me. "Pro life" is a loaded term, a neutral term or a clear question about the law is need to get an accurate reflection of the public. Do the respondents want to make abortion illegal or maintain the current legality of the procedure?
 
some women are whores... if you keep getting abortions... that's wrong. I think legally a woman should be entitled to ONE abortion.. because we ALL make mistakes. Things happen. But you shouldn't need another abortion. Use protection and birth control. You are bring a HUMAN CHILD into this world!

Oh yeah! Punish them by making them have an unwanted baby.

Maybe we should assess them points as if they were speeding or DWI. Can we take their Screwing License away? Confiscate their vagina?
 
It's one of the biggest spikes in the graph, and so may be an aberration. It'll be interesting to see the 2010 figures.

Perhaps the Palins brought the topic to more people's minds?
 
The graph shows a distinct drop off of support for the choice position that started in March or April of 2008. You can't blame Obama for that.

I thought that at first, too. But reading the article gave me an impression that the question is only polled (by Gallup) once per year. The article also mentions another recent poll that demonstrates an opposite trend.
 
Pro-life just as long as it's not pro-Iraqi life. Or pro-life when it comes to getting kids health care coverage in this country.
 
I think it should be mandatory that sometime in school, everyone should be educated on the biology of sex and the consequences. Perhaps a woman should be entitled to have one abortion and then be re-educated on sex and the consequences. If the woman then wants to have another abortion, it should be mandatory that her tubes are tied.

I also think that if a man is proven to be the father of children by at least two mothers and he doesn't take care of them, he should be required to get a vasectomy.
 
Pro-life just as long as it's not pro-Iraqi life. Or pro-life when it comes to getting kids health care coverage in this country.

Where's that in the article?

I think it should be mandatory that sometime in school, everyone should be educated on the biology of sex and the consequences. Perhaps a woman should be entitled to have one abortion and then be re-educated on sex and the consequences. If the woman then wants to have another abortion, it should be mandatory that her tubes are tied.

I also think that if a man is proven to be the father of children by at least two mothers and he doesn't take care of them, he should be required to get a vasectomy.

Interesting, and thought-provoking. ..|

I like the idea for women, except I'd exempt rape from being counted.

For the man -- if the woman is of independent means and doesn't mind that the father is 'migratory', that shouldn't count, either.


Now, if we had a drug that would make men gay, we could change this: instead of a vasectomy, you get changed.... :badgrin:
 
This is a very difficult issue for me to take a stance on. For the developing child is both an individual and part of the mother's body. I have struggled to make sense of the abortion issue and have a concrete opinion. As it is now I am still undecided. If I were forced to take a side I would choose pro-life. That lost opportunity for a human individual doesn't sit well with me. Then again it seems cruel to force that situation on a woman and her family if it's unwanted.

It isn't an easy one, especially when the two opposing forces in the fray appeal to emotion rather than to reason.

The question comes down to when human life begins. As a country under a particular Constitution, we can't adopt a definition derived from religion -- that approach gave us the whole gay marriage situation, which ought to be a strong warning even if the Constitution wasn't firm on the matter.

That leaves us only one place to find a definition, and that's science. At the moment, all the evidence we have points to a moment when brain waves reach a level which indicates there's a person involved. At that point, we know a human life has begun -- it may have begun earlier, but we don't know that.

Our law, then, ought to be a simple one: if the unborn shows that level of brain waves, an abortion is murder, plain and simple, because that's a person. I don't know how difficult that is to ascertain, but since it's a position based on knowledge and logic, it should be set as the test regardless.
 
The youngest voters are increasingly pro-life. I think the emotional tug on this issue from the women's rights movement has run its course.


Interesting take.

And I think the way you see it might very well be the way many younger voters see it.

But in fact it was the "pro-life" movement that used the emotional tug, equating abortion with murdering babies. The women's rights movement said stop being emotional about it, stop thinking of it as protecting babies, we're talking about fetuses, collections of cells, be rational: let each citizen choose for herself whether or not this surgical procedure is necessary.


Young voters and a conservative stance. The twain shall meet yet!


Yep.

That's why I scoffed at Obama supporters who insisted he's progressive or liberal. He isn't and neither are his most ardent supporters. True progressives and liberals who voted for Obama are the ones who'll be disappointed.
 
But in fact it was the "pro-life" movement that used the emotional tug, equating abortion with murdering babies. The women's rights movement said stop being emotional about it, stop thinking of it as protecting babies, we're talking about fetuses, collections of cells, be rational: let each citizen choose for herself whether or not this surgical procedure is necessary.

Both used emotional tugs -- and both 'tags' are equally an appeal to skip reason and go to emotion.

Abortion = murder IFF the unborn is a person.
Fetus = collection of cells IFF the unborn is not a person.


Neither side has been terribly interested in applying reason, to determine an answer to the question of when the unborn becomes a person. Until then, emotion is all they've got.


As an aside, about half the young people I know who are pro-life take the position via thinking "better safe than sorry": they aren't sure the unborn is a person or not, so they err on the safe side.
 
Our law, then, ought to be a simple one: if the unborn shows that level of brain waves, an abortion is murder, plain and simple, because that's a person. I don't know how difficult that is to ascertain, but since it's a position based on knowledge and logic, it should be set as the test regardless.

I don't know either. All I know is, that point is definitely not "at conception" that the pro-lifers often rant as their talking point.
 
I draw the line at partial-birth and late term. Sorry, if you're into your 2nd and 3rd trimester and then figure out you don't want kids you're pretty screwed up. And the birthing-to-death abortion that was apparently going on in Illinois? Whoever legalized that should be shot. Frankly, there's no reason for abortion except in cases of rape and such or endangerment of the mother. Ruling out those reasons, there's birth control pills, IUD's, and the morning after pill available for whores and sluts.

I agree. That's also the reason why doctors(I believe) refuse to operate any later then the 2nd trimester.

Although... if they are not capable of caring for the child, then they should not birth the thing. In the majority of countries, there are problems with the adoption agencies, the foster care systems, and homelessness. We have over 6 billion people on this small planet of ours, and unless we're gonna colonize the moon sometime soon, we won't be able to afford this kind of growth for much longer.

If you do not want, and cannot care for a child, then there is absolutely no point in bringing it into this world.

BTW, I feel as though, as gay men, we have absolutely NO SAY in the matter, other then sympathy for our friends/family who do this, or are arguing over this, and suffering from possible mental breakdown because of it.
 
I agree. That's also the reason why doctors(I believe) refuse to operate any later then the 2nd trimester.

Although... if they are not capable of caring for the child, then they should not birth the thing. In the majority of countries, there are problems with the adoption agencies, the foster care systems, and homelessness. We have over 6 billion people on this small planet of ours, and unless we're gonna colonize the moon sometime soon, we won't be able to afford this kind of growth for much longer.

If you do not want, and cannot care for a child, then there is absolutely no point in bringing it into this world.

BTW, I feel as though, as gay men, we have absolutely NO SAY in the matter, other then sympathy for our friends/family who do this, or are arguing over this, and suffering from possible mental breakdown because of it.

Colonizing the moon wouldn't make much difference, even. World population grows at more than 200,000 per day. If we had a space elevator, we could conceivably send perhaps 15,000 per day up as high as geostationary orbit. But even were that possible, to keep that stream of people moving on to the moon would require nearly a thousand transports capable of hauling fifty people -- 600 just to keep the stream moving, at the very least, plus those sitting on the ground fueling, those undergoing regular inspection, those down for maintenance, those sitting as backups should any fail...
Such craft would likely cost hundreds of millions each -- let's say five for a billion. So the transport fleet alone would cost $200 billion to build -- not exactly cheap.

In all, setting up a system capable of moving all the people who go up one space elevator to go to the moon could run to $500 billion.

To move just the increase in world population would take more than a dozen space elevators, and each fleet serving it would cost another $500 billion. So overall it would take $6 trillion plus to keep the earth's population from increasing, by moving people to the moon.

A moon base to receive them? Call it a trillion just for starters; follow that with annual expansion costs.


No one has the political will to spend that kind of money. There are investors standing by for the day we have material strong enough to put up the first space elevator (estimated cost $12 billion, and that's conservative), but they're not going to be turning it into a train service for population relief. Besides that, it's doubtful that we'll be getting any material strong enough to support hundreds of cars and their passengers strung out between ground and geosynchronous orbit; dozens of cars at once is more within reason.


So solving the population problem is going to have to be accomplished here. If we use the moon for anything, I think it would make a wonderful place to send life prisoners -- where could they run?
 
Neither side has been terribly interested in applying reason, to determine an answer to the question of when the unborn becomes a person. Until then, emotion is all they've got.


Many on both sides have tried applying reason to answer that question.

Trouble is, reason cannot determine when a fetus "becomes a person." There simply is no way to determine through reason the moment that occurs.
 
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