But why is it such a terrible crime to be gay and conservative? Why is it? I would like to be part of debate and join these conversations online - but I have before - and my participation is always met with the same nastiness and hostility. I'm a self-hater, racist, and all the rest..
1. What do you mean by "Conservative," unfortunately there are plenty of people using that term who mean wildly different things. Until you define what you personally intend that to encompass there is no way to discuss this with you.
2. Gay people by and large are hostile to "Conservative" because the people currently most associated with that term tend to be rabid gay hating bigots who want to take our rights away. I fail to see how you would have failed to notice this.
So I ask, what exactly makes you a conservative and how is that best expressed by the Republican Party of today... which is NOT conservative by any means in the traditional sense?
The question "
What do you mean by 'Conservative'?" is probably the thing that jm_nicholas needs to define because that term means very different things to different members here.
Stopping here for a moment for an observation: can anyone define what a conservative or a liberal is anymore? Even the article that opinterph cited doesn't seem to accurately define conservatives- someone like Mike Pence or Lindsey Graham might fit into multiple categories of conservative or might not match any of the categories in that article.
Another example: Tx-Beau and Saucy are two members who live in different parts of the country. The term "Republican" and "conservative" mean very different things when you compare where Tx-Beau lives versus where Sausy lives.
Tx-Beau just focused on social conservatives because where he lives, the pro-business Republican Party has been overwhelmed by social conservatives, many of whom have been promulgating an anti-LGBT agenda, both in their State and nationally. Social conservatives in Tx-Beau's part of the country have brought the same evangelical zeal to politics that they bring to religion. Bathroom bills, abortion restrictions, anti-LGBT laws disguised as 'religious freedom protections' are just a few examples of what social conservatives are focused on in that part of the country.
Where Sausy lives, there's been a similar trend where pro-business Republican conservatives have been forced out of office, either by Republican Party purists or by being replaced by a Democrat who ran against them. When you consider what is happened in Saucy's part of the country, it's hard to even know what a conservative is because pro-business Republicans have been hunted to near-extinction and you have both Michael Bloomberg and Donald Trump claiming to be "conservative Republicans".
I've read through the threads in the political forum - and either there are truly NO conservatives in the gay faction (which I don't believe)
or they're just sick of being name-called..
(for Rareboy)
Are you insane or just plain ignorant?
^Ad hominem.
This is one of the problems with the discourse in JUB, at least with some of the members who referred to themselves as "conservatives" here at JUB. Ironically, you were commenting on conservative members being "sick of being name-called" but that's exactly the trap you fell into and you probably didn't even realize that you did it.
Sometimes when I have to moderate CE&P posts, I read through the posts and wonder if anyone is actually listening to counterarguments... or just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Conservatives have always had a reputation for being blunt or coldly objective (and I don't think that's necessarily a negative quality). But in the past 20 years or so, this kind of no-holds barred insulting of each other has become normalized in certain right-wing platforms. With the mainstreaming of pundits like Coulter and Ingraham and some of the alt-Right voices more interested in baiting "libtards" and "snowflakes", we quickly move from a "discussion" into trading insults.
Recently, that same invective that has become a fixture of certain elements in the conservative movement (e.g. neocons, alt-Right) has also become too familiar in liberal discussion sites. Too often, the "liberal" ends up in an allegory to racism or Fascists/Nazis (aka Godwin's law). Recently, there was a whole series of JUB threads about institutional racism that could have been great threads but they devolved into name-calling and competitive purism that no different from the same phenomenon that happened with the Right a couple of decades earlier during the lead-up to the Iraq War, the Grover Norquist/Taxpayer Protection Pledge and the "RINO" purges.
Saucy named some former members of JUB who argued a more conservative viewpoint (and "argue" is a perfectly fine verb to use for what went on). There's nothing wrong with arguing if you're arguing about policy or political theory. But what is happening at JUB- and in general across political platforms across the web- is that there's no exchange of ideas going on- particularly ideas that are rooted in research, statistics or facts.
What we're left with are arguments about social issues- same-sex marriage, transgender rights, abortion, circumcision - which are hot button issues to both evangelical social conservatives and LGBT people... and these are issues that someone arguing as a
social conservative is not going to find much sympathy or support for at JustUsBoys "The Original Gay Porn Community".
). I was born weird in general, and have had to work on myself a lot to change bad habits and appear 'normal', last but not least I'm also gay of course. Conservatives say these days gays are the privileged ones. I disagree with them on that, it's still not fun, we still deal with what liberals would call microaggressions all the time. Thanks to hard work and completing studies as an adult my Mum's financial situation is much better now, and she has her own house (I still live at home, just getting that out the way) but it was down to hard work, not being white.
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