Gay Conservatism

[JayHawk]

Interesting view from down under....

Anyone wish to discuss?

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I personally find the ideology of what living my life and how I want to live it aligns with conservative ideas. Of course you have to put aside the immediate desire to despise the words following conservative.

I do find that minority groups including LGBT persons have driven and changed the moral compass of the wider society and we need to continue to do so.

I agree that the reflexive concept in the gay community is to silence alter ideas immediately. Which is one of the reasons I like JUB because it provides a fair format where no voice is shut out. In fact I am sure my main views around here are somewhat clouded because I love playing devils advocate.

SO what about you guys

 

[JayQueer]

OMG..........JayHawk.........you just made my day Thank you........

I love me some JayHawk

I KNEW JayHawk was a closet conservative, from at least several months ago. I could tell because JayHawk is very pro-military, pro-2nd amendment, and he was critical of how the "Occupy" protesters handled themselves.

I'm glad you're coming out of the "other" closet, JayHawk.........

We can add yet another member to the "Gay conservative fraternity" on JUB!!

Here is the unofficial list, off the top of my head--

1. Jackoroe
2. Chance1
3. Jack Springer
4. justapixel
5. JayQueer
6. Jerry
7. JayHawk

Welcome to our fraternity, JayHawk!!

 

[BJS501]

I prefer Asexual Antidisestablishmentarianism myself.

 

[JayQueer]

OMG........I agree 110% with this video.

What an intelligent gay man in the video!

I think it's shameful how gay conservatives are treated in the gay community at large. Like how all gay conservatives are called "self haters," "Jews for Hitler", etc etc.

And I do agree with the commentary in the video that all gays are somehow expected to be liberals, and if you're a conservative, you're somehow not welcome in a community that says it is all about diversity. That's not right.

I completely agree with the notion that same-sex marriage is a conservative ideal, not a liberal one. The concept of being in a monogamous relationship, settling down, raising children IS one of society's most conservative ideals.

 

[JayHawk]

Don't jump to conclusions JQ.

I am much more liberal minded socially.

I am voting for Obama this time around AGAIN unless a magical republican appears.

BJ I am down with that except the asexual part... fuck that

 

[CowboyBob]

Oh my Lord...

When I saw the title of this thread I knew who would be all over it like white on rice.

 

[BJS501]

But having the right to marry is quite objectively a liberal ideal. Oh, and it's also worth noting that the Liberal Party of Australia is the conservative party.

 

[JayHawk]

Right but Rob is referring to the conservative party in America.

The idea of marriage equality is being championed by liberal politicians but the idea of marriage as a foundation is definitively conservative.



Yeah Bob I knew it would attract JQ but I didnt realize he would come up with such an absurd summation by the posty.

I personally can just listen to Rob talk. I do think he fails to understand the bitter divide of animosity that exist in this country.

 

[JayQueer]

Don't jump to conclusions JQ.

I am much more liberal minded socially.

I am voting for Obama this time around AGAIN unless a magical republican appears.

Sorry

You should think about going into politics, JayHawk. I would vote for you, regardless of your party affiliation.

 

[JayHawk]

No problem and trust me I have considered it as a post military career but i am not a very good baby kissing smiling lackey so i doubt I would go high or do well.

I do plan on working for the public in some capacity after my wander lust leaves me.

 

[Orlandude]

OMG..........JayHawk.........you just made my day Thank you........

I love me some JayHawk

I KNEW JayHawk was a closet conservative, from at least several months ago. I could tell because JayHawk is very pro-military, pro-2nd amendment, and he was critical of how the "Occupy" protesters handled themselves.

I'm glad you're coming out of the "other" closet, JayHawk.........

We can add yet another member to the "Gay conservative fraternity" on JUB!!

Here is the unofficial list, off the top of my head--

1. Jackoroe
2. Chance1
3. Jack Springer
4. justapixel
5. JayQueer
6. Jerry
7. JayHawk

Welcome to our fraternity, JayHawk!!

I have always believed that it's fine for people in the gay community to have ANY political views...liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, independent. What's troubling is a "fraternity" that espouses this same principle and would immediately separate themselves from all others. That is precisely the problem with this country. Divisiveness. Regardless of our political views, we are all Americans but so many wear their politics as a badge of honor plastered on their backside. Around JUB, we are all in the gay community to a greater or lesser degree. We are Gay Americans FIRST, not a cluster of separate fraternities. For a community of people who are, for the most part, already divided and demonized/marginalized in this country because of bigotry and hatred, it is disappointing to see this same divisiveness promoted within the community itself. JUB has always been a place where all views are debated and heard, without the need for politically motivated "fraternities".

Yes there are far greater problems in this nation than focusing only on the needs of Gay Americans. I believe most intelligent people in our community are not so myopic to think gay means having to be liberal or conservative. But they do believe that no government or political party has the right to circumscribe personal choices in lifestyle.

By the way, I consider myself to be socially liberal and a fiscal conservative. Frankly, I think Both parties are just two factions of one larger Corporate Party, which is dominated and controlled by the corporate interests that donate heavily to both. That is why nothing really changes, no matter which party is in power. The differences between the two parties amount to just a handful of social issues which will never be resolved anyway because they're based on belief systems and no politician or party will ever change your personal belief system, no matter what "laws" they enact or abolish.

 

[JayHawk]

By the way, I consider myself to be socially liberal and a fiscal conservative. Frankly, I think Both parties are just two factions of one larger Corporate Party, which is dominated and controlled by the corporate interests that donate heavily to both. That is why nothing really changes, no matter which party is in power. The differences between the two parties amount to just a handful of social issues which will never be resolved anyway .

quoted for truth.

They get crazier and crazier sounding as they try to place themselves into different electable pools. However they govern exactly the same.

 

[Kulindahr]

One big problem is that there are two kinds of "conservative".

There's the classic conservative, these days often called "Goldwater conservatives". For gays to be classical conservatives makes perfect sense.

Then there's what the term means today: self-righteous, meddling, fiscally irresponsible, militaristic, conformist... in other words, in reality reactionary with a desire to impose their morals on everyone through force. For gays to be that kind of conservative makes no sense at all (for anyone to be that kind makes no sense!).


As for marriage equality, two things: first, that it's one of those things that is both liberal and conservative at the same time. Since this has been discussed in an earlier thread, I won't elaborate. Second, it's really a misleading term, because gays aren't interested in equality itself, they're interested in gaining the same privileges the established discriminatory class enjoys.

 

[jackoroe]

This guy has no real understanding of what we call "conservatism" is, does he?

 

[maxpowr9]

This guy has no real understanding of what we call "conservatism" is, does he?

Contextually speaking, especially in the American sense, absolutely not.

 

[JayHawk]

But see I think he does get it and the 'american' ideal of conservative is what is warped.

 

[Kulindahr]

But see I think he does get it and the 'american' ideal of conservative is what is warped.

Yeah -- as I said, it makes sense for a gay guy to be a classical conservative...

but not an "American Conservative".



We SO need a multi-party setup!

 

[JayHawk]

Yeah but it isnt going to happen anytime soon. Both parties are mirror images of the other

 

[altlover85]

Thanks for sharing that video, JayHawk. It certainly made me think and also got posted on my Facebook wall.

It made me about the past and where we are now. Even though the Democrats are socially more liberal than the Republicans, they too have screwed the gay community over in the past.

That said, at least the Democratic party is making steps toward equality now, whereas the Republicans seem fairly anti-gay, so in the end, because marriage equality and GLBT rights, as well as other things, such as social welfare programs, and keeping things like Creationism out of the classroom are important to me, I still will vote Democrat.

It should be said though, that if a more liberal party came along, I'd definitely give them a look.

 

[Just_Believe18]

You know, when it comes down to it, being gay plays a very small role in my criticism towards what the Republican party considers "conservative." I fundamentally disagree with the platform on most aspects of economy, education, military spending, social services, tax rates, abortion, and the environment. I feel a perfect Republican party world would have the elderly, children, and poor dying on the streets, a generation of ignorant children, and a perpetual cycle of disastrous wars where our best and brightest of young men and women would come home in boxes, instead of being the pillars of innovation and industry.

There, I said it.