"gay gene" found in lab mice

[Telstra]

Is there a female gene?

 

[Kensei]

I've thought about this a lot, believing that finding a gene would bury the opposition forever. But now I entertain the possibility that it could be used against us.

I want the answer. I want them to find it. I want the opposition to be buried.

I'm not concerned. If they find it this will better prep families and accept homosexuality in all communities.

 

[iman]

I want the answer. I want them to find it. I want the opposition to be buried.

I'm not concerned. If they find it this will better prep families and accept homosexuality in all communities.

It won't disarm an irrational opposition, they will just call it a "birth defect" and gays don't need anymore reason to think of themselves as victims.

It really does not matter what causes homosexuality, we should simply embrace it, count ourselves as fortunate for being gay and accept the idea that we would choose this life if we had the option.

 

[CowboyBob]

Hopefully this will lead to a cure for heterosexuality.

 

[T-Rexx]

I want the answer. I want them to find it. I want the opposition to be buried.

I'm not concerned. If they find it this will better prep families and accept homosexuality in all communities.

I am confident that the cause of homosexuality will eventually be discovered.

What will happen then is that homosexuals will be identified as gay in utero. Then, all gay fetuses will be aborted.

End of the homosexuality "problem."

 

[degrandm]

It won't disarm an irrational opposition, they will just call it a "birth defect" and gays don't need anymore reason to think of themselves as victims.

It really does not matter what causes homosexuality, we should simply embrace it, count ourselves as fortunate for being gay and accept the idea that we would choose this life if we had the option.

yes i could not put it better

 

[MystikWizard]

Put it this way. If they do have the capacity to alter one's Orientation before birth, who cares? When you are born, you are going to be none the wiser. You really won't know any better and will be attracted to who you are attracted to.

I know everyone on here wants to push towards tolerance and people accepting the Gay lifestyle, Gay parents, and all that .... but the reality is that Gay families are never going to be publically accepted and will never work. The reason is because no matter what the cause of Homosexuality, and I am confident in science that it is resulted from mostly a series of genes that influence one another .... however no matter what the cause, we are still only 10%, if that, of the population. If we were closer to 40 or 50%, that would be another story, as our influence would be felt a lot more due to that many more people being affected.

However, we are really so few in the population. As long as we are taken care of, who really cares if parents do exercise this option during prenatal care? As long as the children of the future don't have to go through what we went through.

 

[T-Rexx]

I believe nature should take its course in deciding.

I believe the LGBT orientations enrich the human race, and to decimate our kind would be a tragedy.

Besides, manipulating humans to become an ideal is eugenics and a fascist idea.

I agree. It is not an accident that 1% to 2% of males are born gay. Nature is not that inefficient. Those genes are doing something very interesting and important, and that is why evolution has preserved them.

But that fact will not stop nearly all gay fetuses from getting aborted, once the technology is available to identify them. We do it now with Down's Syndrome.

Despite awareness of the potential benefits of the genes, society will not be able to stop this behavior. "Would you want your son growing up gay?" doctors will ask. "Why would you want to put anybody through that kind of torture?"

It's only a matter of time before we have effectively 100% straight people in developed societies. It is eugenics, but it is unstoppable. Homosexuality will become a problem of underdeveloped nations, where prenatal screening cannot be carried out for economic reasons.

 

[T-Rexx]

James Watson, the Nobel prize-winner who worked out the structure of DNA with Francis Crick, has expressed his opinion that we will soon have a prenatal test for homosexuality.

His opinion is that all gay fetuses should be aborted, to save them the pain of a homosexual life. This is a humanitarian gesture, like shooting a horse with a broken leg, or aborting a Down's baby.

In China today, it is relatively common to abort a perfectly healthy fetus because it is the wrong sex.

 

[T-Rexx]

I wish I shared your optimism for the nation's enthusiastic support of the gay community, JockBoy.

But I know too many Republicans who already want me dead. And I am post-partum!

 

[BostonPirate]

it would seem the conservatives would have to choose between abortion or homosexuality.

as would liberals, for that matter.

it may actually end the abortion stalemate in unexpected ways.

 

[T-Rexx]

^ Trust me, the conservatives would find all sorts of biblical passages to prove that God gave us the technology of prenatal testing for queerness because He wanted all those gay fetuses (and only the gay fetuses) aborted.

All other babies are sacred and not subject to abortion, of course. The bible says so.

 

[MystikWizard]

^^^

I believe nature should take its course in deciding.

I believe the LGBT orientations enrich the human race, and to decimate our kind would be a tragedy.

Besides, manipulating humans to become an ideal is eugenics and a fascist idea.

So we shouldn't "manipulate" the birth process and let nature take it's course, but it is okay to manipulate and actually terminate the birth process during abortion, and should not let nature take it's course, then?

Gotcha.

No, that isn't fascist, at all.

Double standard being applied in the rationale, Jockboy and it is done so for obvious reasons.

 

[BostonPirate]

^ Trust me, the conservatives would find all sorts of biblical passages to prove that God gave us the technology of prenatal testing for queerness because He wanted all those gay fetuses (and only the gay fetuses) aborted.

All other babies are sacred and not subject to abortion, of course. The bible says so.

conservatives would have to admit that abortion is the right of the mother to choose and they would be hard pressed to go there.

Liberals would want to protect minorities from being aborted just for the sake of their genetic makeup, and that sounds alot like the right to lifers arguement.

political role reversal.

 

[MystikWizard]

conservatives would have to admit that abortion is the right of the mother to choose and they would be hard pressed to go there.

Liberals would want to protect minorities from being aborted just for the sake of their genetic makeup, and that sounds alot like the right to lifers arguement.

political role reversal.

You are absolutely right, it most definitely is. And I think both sides should tread carefully in their arguments, otherwise each other is going to get caught applying different logic to the opposite sides's favored topic.

In this case, Gays will want to defend life and not allow the birth process to be genetically manipulated by altering the gay gene(s) ...... thus allowing "nature to take it's course" ....... all the while defending a women's right to make "the ultimate choice", thus playing God on deciding who lives and dies. It's okay to play God in that respect, however not okay to play God in allowing life to continue, but altering orientation.

Meanwhile, Pro Life advocates will face the same predicament if they advocate either terminating a life because a fetus is determined to have a homosexual orientation (something the Right will never admit that they are contemplating), or genetically altering the child's orientation .... all while preaching that science has no place in altering any other characteristics of the child or claiming that women have no right to abort their children.


I think both sides should care to do some careful thinking going forward or else a lot of people are going to be called out for the hypocrites they are.

 

[BostonPirate]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120392/plotsummary

this film explores the idea we are discussing. Its not an award winner, but it does a good job of presenting both sides.

and it's fun to see Brendan Fraser playing gay...lol

 

[MercuryJones]

I know everyone on here wants to push towards tolerance and people accepting the Gay lifestyle, Gay parents, and all that .... but the reality is that Gay families are never going to be publically accepted and will never work. The reason is because no matter what the cause of Homosexuality, and I am confident in science that it is resulted from mostly a series of genes that influence one another .... however no matter what the cause, we are still only 10%, if that, of the population. If we were closer to 40 or 50%, that would be another story, as our influence would be felt a lot more due to that many more people being affected.

What a stupid-ass post.

Firstly, there is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle".

Secondly, if you look at the polling the acceptance of gays has dramatically increased over several years and shows no sign of letting up.

Other minority groups have legal and social protections despite small numbers. Certainly there is still hateful and outrageous racism, but it's so unacceptable broadly that the racists have to mostly hide it. Or look at Jews who are, if I recall correctly, 2% of the US population, but antisemitism is very widely condemned in ways that it wasn't 20 or 30 years ago.

 

[BostonPirate]

That's a good point.

sooo... lets play a little devils advocate then... hehe

if a woman meets a guy, and say after a few dates, has sex and winds up pregnant. When she learns more about him and finds out that he is jewish, she decides she wants to abort primarily for that reason...

does she have the right to choose for herself, or does her prejudice remove that right?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727682.600-gene-switches-sexual-desires-of-female-mice.html

Regardless of whether the gene masculinises the human brain, it's still a dramatic advance in the search for a biological reason for homosexuality.

The moment they figure out what "causes" us to be gay... that's the moment the extermination begins.

This isn't good news.

 

[MercuryJones]

IMO, whatever reason a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy is her choice.