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Gay marriage in Argentina

^^^Don't forget Iceland Jockboy!

Here's the latest news:

Argentina: As stated, it will be voted on in the Senate next month. I read in a much newer source that the bill currently has 33 Yes votes, 27 No votes, and 12 that are undecided/won't say/abstaining.

Luxomberg: The bill will be introduced to Parliment next month as well (like Portugal, it does not include adoption rights).

Slovenia: The bill already passed it's first reading in March and will be voted on again soon (I believe it will be law then).

Nepal: Same sex marriage is included in the new constitution (resulting from court order). However, recent disputes between certain parties have delayed the ratification of the new constitution for up to one year.

Denmark: The government recently rejected a bill allowing same sex marriage 51/57.

Australia: The leading political party is looking to elect only legislators who support same sex marriage, so that's promising.

Also, Ireland will pass civil partnership by October, as will Lichtenstein by the end of the year.
 
I read it on Wikipedia (there was only one link provided, and it was in Danish). Yah, if the vote was that close even with a conservative government then it will happen VERY soon there.

It was also reported today that a civil unions bill was introduced in Chile.
 
^^^Also of note an 8th same sex couple just married in Argentina (I was unaware of the 6th and 7th)!

There was also a rally of 2,000 people outside of the national congressional building in support of the bill. It appears momentum is really moving in the right direction there.
 
I was going to open a thread on this subject but saw one already open so I'll post it here. I'm an american living in one of those small provinces the senators toured, so I can give you first hand evidence of what happened at those meetings. It was lead by the president of the general law committee, Liliana Negre de Alonso, senator of the Province of San Luis (that's where I live) .

The following is the note I was going to post in a new thread.

The same sex marriage law in Argentina was approved by the lower house of congress and is currently in a senate committee, who is holding town hall debates in every province. The senator who presides this committee is Senator Liliana Negre de Alonso, representing the Province of San Luis (see footnote at end of this note). All the deputies in the lower house that represent this same province voted against the same sex marriage law and this senator has publically expressed that she is against this law. She is also presiding the town hall debates and prior to the debates she is meeting privately with the Roman Catholic and evangelical authorities in these provinces as well as participating in marches against this law. She has shown her bias without any reproach what so ever, including limiting LGBT groups, the time necessary to express their views at these debates. She has stated publicly that homosexuality is a disease and is curable, that the “porteños” (referring to people from Buenos Aires Capital) want Argentina to be the gay capital of the world, that homosexuality harbors pedophiles, etc. Several provincial governors have expressed their negativity against the same sex marriage law, ordering the senators representing those provinces to vote against the law. The governor of San Juan ordered the Ministry of Education to not count the absences of school children on the day of the marches against the law so that the kids can participate in them. As things stand, it is highly probable that the same sex marriage law will not be approved by the senate.



Footnote: San Luis is one of the smallest provinces in the country yet one of the wealthiest with zero debt, home to the long ruling brothers, Rodriguez Saa, including former President and current senator Adolfo Rodriguez Saa. This family has ruled the province since Argentina’s return to democracy and every single legislator that represent this province in Argentina’s national congress, except one (has expressed he will vote in favor of the same sex marriage law), responds personally to this family. San Luis has always gone against the current in regards to the national government policies (regardless of the ruling party), expressing in several occasions it’s desire to secede from the rest of the country. Current governor, Alberto Rodriguez Saa has presented a projected law in the provincial congress, declaring that free internet be a human right. Oddly enough, Adolfo has not expressed publically how he will vote on the same sex marriage law. He has expressed his desire that a consensus be reached between both houses of congress with a law that should reach a unanimous vote………Don Adolfo has a gay son.

Personal note: I tried to write this entry as objectively as possible but found it very difficult, and what motivated me in writing this was a conversation with a friend that lives in the capital city of San Luis (I live in a rural area of the province of San Luis, at a distance of 200 km from the capital city). The province of San Luis has a very large gay community, a very large percentage is closeted (myself included) and the few out gays are very out. My personal view on marriage is that it is not for me but that it should be for anyone who wants to marry. I thought my view was a bit radical and was afraid of what my friend would say when I expressed my view that marriage should be for everyone regardless of sex even though I personally didn’t believe in marriage. BTW….my friend has a profile on most gay dating (translation: trolling for sex) sites, but says that he is not gay but is curious (yeah, I know). To my surprise, my friend states that gays should not be allowed to marry, much less be able to adopt children. I thought his view to be one of very few and started to poll my other “gay” friends and was more surprised and upset to find that they also shared his views.

Latest: What will be debated in the senate this coming thursday will be several alternative civil union laws, even though the President has stated that she wants the "Marriage" law approved by the senate in it's original lower house form. The Roman Catholic church is accusing the government of using threats and extortion against the senators that have expressed their disapproval of the "Gay marriage" law. The president left the country last night on a trip to china and invited several senators that have expressed their disapproval of the law to join her on this trip..........she's taking them away from this crucial vote, tipping the balance in favor of the "Gay Marriage" law. The law now has a good chance of passing!!!!! ¡¡¡¡VIVA ARGENTINA!!!!

I was going to post this note last week, but the "free" internet service in this province wasn't working!!!! Ironic??? I'm posting this using an alternative (expensive) broad band service.
 
gauchotrucho said:
The president left the country last night on a trip to china and invited several senators that have expressed their disapproval of the law to join her on this trip..........she's taking them away from this crucial vote, tipping the balance in favor of the "Gay Marriage" law. The law now has a good chance of passing!!!!! ¡¡¡¡VIVA ARGENTINA!!!!
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Awesome! Total LBJ move.
 
gauchotrucho said:
The president left the country last night on a trip to china and invited several senators that have expressed their disapproval of the law to join her on this trip..........she's taking them away from this crucial vote, tipping the balance in favor of the "Gay Marriage" law. The law now has a good chance of passing!!!!! ¡¡¡¡VIVA ARGENTINA!!!!
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(!w!)

Employing a principle used devastatingly by a certain English monarch: the invitation one dare not refuse!

:=D: :=D: :=D:
 
http://ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=6031&MediaType=1&Category=24

So the latest tally of Argentine senators gives us a slight lead (32 Yes, 30 No, 10 Undecided/Won't Say/Abstaining), but the poll does not take into account that some (at least 2) of the No votes will be unable to vote as they are in China.

I liked how the President compared the claims/behavior of the Catholic bishops to those made during the inquisitions!

P.S. That picture of her and Obama is cute IMO.
 
scream4ever said:
http://ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=6031&MediaType=1&Category=24

So the latest tally of Argentine senators gives us a slight lead (32 Yes, 30 No, 10 Undecided/Won't Say/Abstaining), but the poll does not take into account that some (at least 2) of the No votes will be unable to vote as they are in China.

I liked how the President compared the claims/behavior of the Catholic bishops to those made during the inquisitions!
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One wonders how such a narrow-minded bigot ever got to be a Cardinal.

I'd only be able to venture agreeing that gay marriage "is the devil's plan" if priests were being forced at gunpoint to perform gay weddings in their churches. I'll happily say that making the morals of the church into the law of the land is certainly the devil's plan -- and they are blind not to see that. One does not preach "good news" by smacking people over the head with a club.
 
From what I've gathered there are 66 senators present. Our side needs 33 votes for the bill to pass. In the event of a tie, the Senate President casts the deciding vote (he is in favor of the bill). Our translator/correspondent in Argentina seems to think it has a very good chance of passing.
 
sounds hopeful, but i'll wait till the votes are cast to let myself get excited.
 
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