Gay Marriage Question

[SFMusic]

And this fear of gay adoption is based on...?

I used to believe that gays would not make fit parents. I mean how could they, it was so unnatural. My belief was based on ignorance, until...

I have an older cousin who is a lesbian. She and her partner have been together for 36 years. (An incredible family scandal many years ago, but it helped make the way a little easier for me) About 20+ years ago, her brother died of a heart failure and his wife, because of her depression over the husbands death and other health issues, committed suicide. The grandparents were too old to take in the 3 year son, and there were no other siblings, so all concerned (along with the knowledge and consent of Social Services) decided to allow the child to be raised by my lesbian cousin and her partner.

Except for a couple of incidents as a teenager (and who didn't have "incidents" as teenagers), their life as a typical suburban family was remarkable for its lack of drama. They did everything as a family, even attending family reunions, which is where I was able to see this young man grow up before my eyes.

This child is now grown and recently graduated from college, and I can say from first hand knowledge that this young man is intelligent, articulate, talented, and extremely well adjusted (and from all signs, heterosexual). Anyone who has watched this young man grow up is completely convinced that gay parents can (and do) raise children as well or better than straight parents.

Anyone who disagrees is just speaking from pure ignorance. Wake up, and see the evidence all around you. What used to be rare, is becoming more and more common. As Martha Stewart would say "It's a good thing".

...And if gays do get marriage then the next thign will be gay adoption and that is REALLY one fo the worst things to do. So yeah slowing down or stopping gay marriage wil only be a good thing.

 

[-live-]

i do have my reasons but i realised this aint the place to be giving them. But I havnt said it cant be done and i havnt said that a gay couple cant bring up a child right. And its good that they brought him up good. You must be proud of them and him

 

[SFMusic]

i do have my reasons but i realised this aint the place to be giving them. But I havnt said it cant be done and i havnt said that a gay couple cant bring up a child right. And its good that they brought him up good. You must be proud of them and him

But you are the one who raised the adoption issue, and I didn't want your negative post to be the last word on gay adoption. And yes the whole family is very proud of this young man AND my cousin and her partner who raised him.

 

[-live-]

i know thats why i said i realised it aint the place to be giving them.

 

[SFMusic]

Good for you

i know thats why i said i realised it aint the place to be giving them.

 

[Pringle]

This thread seems to have only brought the worst in people.

Let me state my position so there can be no confusion

I am for gay marriage (and adoption) but I don't intend to do either. The civil partnership act seems to deal with most of the "financial" concerns in the UK. I don't understand American politics and from reading this thread I don't think I care to..

I am also a VERY good friend of s3bbl3s despite our opinions differing on this matter. He is no hetero - right wing troll or whatever your personal attack said?

Homoaffectional (ironic name) - To ask someone to be band because their opinion differs to yours is offensive to me and it is not your place to question his sexuality. He is gay BTW.

I believe the term homosexual means "same sex", we are not called homo-opinion!

To ignore someone is your choice but if you read S3bbl3s posts, they do not actually attack anyone (unlike yourself), they are just his thoughts. If you take it as a personal attack or an attack on your beliefs then that is your problem not his.

So I guess I will be the next person on your ignore list. Fair enough - your loss.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

If you think someone should be banned for having an opinion you don't agree with, that's just idiotic. That's why there is an ignore feature, which you used it, so there's no reason that this person shouldn't be able to express their thoughts just as we're doing. It's not fair for you to think that if someone doesn't share your thoughts, they're either stupid, should be banned, etc.

 

[cAndId]

but if you read S3bbl3s posts, they do not actually attack anyone (unlike yourself), they are just his thoughts. If you take it as a personal attack or an attack on your beliefs then that is your problem not his.

And if gays do get marriage then the next thign will be gay adoption and that is REALLY one fo the worst things to do.

S3bb is saying that the government should restrict the rights of our people and bar them from being able to adopt children... that is HIGHLY offensive. His statements are attacks on gay people. If someone were to point out a asian couple and say that they should not be able to adopt children because 'it isnt right' how would you think that couple would take it? In thier position I would not just dismiss it as a mere difference of opinion.

Its hate.

Hate doesnt belong on a gay forum.

This person should apologize for belittling our people in a very serious way, or he should be banned from the ce&p forum.

(when I first saw the post I thought he was so obviously being sarcastic)

 

[cAndId]

If you think someone should be banned for having an opinion you don't agree with, that's just idiotic. That's why there is an ignore feature, which you used it, so there's no reason that this person shouldn't be able to express their thoughts just as we're doing. It's not fair for you to think that if someone doesn't share your thoughts, they're either stupid, should be banned, etc.

Fred Phelps is merely sharing his opinions. Would he be allowed on this forum to spread his messages of hate?

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

If that's offensive to you, OH WELL. That's your problem for not being able to accept that there are people out there who DON'T go for the same things you do. Doesn't mean they should be punished.

You people are in the zone if you think that someone opposing gay adoption is hate. LMFAO. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. S3BB, don't apologize, brother. They don't DESERVE one.
LMFAO this is too funny.

Fred Phelps is merely sharing his opinions. Would he be allowed on this forum to spread his messages of hate?

Wow, you really need a lesson on hate. Hate would be "all gay people should burn in hell", not "I beleive gays shouldn't have the option to adopt". That's not hate.

 

[cAndId]

If that's offensive to you, OH WELL. That's your problem for not being able to accept that there are people out there who DON'T go for the same things you do. Doesn't mean they should be punished.

You people are in the zone if you think that someone opposing gay adoption is hate. LMFAO. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. S3BB, don't apologize, brother. They don't DESERVE one.
LMFAO this is too funny.

I dont care if you are a self-hating gay - thats fine we all go through that in our own way... but the rest of us dont appreciate being told we are incapable of adopting children or that we should be banned from being married if we want to be.

Gays already have to deal with ignorance and hatred... Justusboys.com should be stopping the hate from spreading to at least this forum.

 

[-live-]

Wait one second there.

I didnt say that gay people were incapable once. dont put words in my mouth.

Im not ignorant and im not spreading hate at all.

 

[Pringle]

I dont care if you are a self-hating gay - thats fine we all go through that in our own way... but the rest of us dont appreciate being told we are incapable of adopting children or that we should be banned from being married if we want to be.

Gays already have to deal with ignorance and hatred... Justusboys.com should be stopping the hate from spreading to at least this forum.

Who is spreading hate?

So if someone is gay they have to agree with gay marriage and adoption? (please remember I do in fact agree with it!) If they don't then its hate? I think I must have missed the illogical step you took there.

Not agreeing with something does not mean you hate it or indeed are trying to spread hate.

So I agree with it and I do not find the fact that some people disagree with me hateful whether they are gay or straight. If I found someone to be hateful every time they didn't agree with me I wouldn't have as many friends as I do. You want people to accept your opinion but are unable to accept others. This is a forum and it should be a place where people can learn about other points of view (they don't have to agree) but please don't put words into peoples posts.

 

[lunarus]

There is a LOT of rhetoric flying here. I just want to make some points that a WHOLE bunch of you here are failing to see.

When your partner is hospitalized and is at death's door and his family refuses to let you in, you will have no one else to blame but yourself.

When said family comes to take your home and those things THEY deem are/were his, you have no one else to blame but yourself.

When the child you two were raising together for thirteen years is taken from you because you are not a blood relative, you have no one else to blame but yourself.

I could go on but I will not...

There is or was something called separate but equal is not EQUAL!

Think before you all speak and try to remember that some of us HAVE faced and continue to face these discrimination on a daily basis...

It never matters to an individual until it happens to you.

 

[Quaker1234]

See on here the only reason why people say gays should have it, is because of the money side. And i dont think anyone who marries for the money side should get married in the first place.

Thats not your choice to make, but while were on the subject... What is a valid reason to get married? and why do we not qualify?

And if gays do get marriage then the next thign will be gay adoption and that is REALLY one fo the worst things to do.

Don't just spam the board with your ignorance. If you have an opinion then clearly state it and back it up with something. If your just going to give us a one liner than are your really surprised that people may be taking it the wrong way? or is it that you really have nothing to back it up with?

So yeah slowing down or stopping gay marriage wil only be a good thing.

Once again... do not SPAM the board... Do you have anything to backup anything you've said?

I didnt say that gay people were incapable once. dont put words in my mouth.

It was more than implied.

 

[-live-]

im not speaking on this subject anymore, ive said what i want, ive explained all i need to do on here.

 

[cAndId]

Who is spreading hate?

So if someone is gay they have to agree with gay marriage and adoption? (please remember I do in fact agree with it!) If they don't then its hate? I think I must have missed the illogical step you took there.

Not agreeing with something does not mean you hate it or indeed are trying to spread hate.

So I agree with it and I do not find the fact that some people disagree with me hateful whether they are gay or straight. If I found someone to be hateful every time they didn't agree with me I wouldn't have as many friends as I do. You want people to accept your opinion but are unable to accept others. This is a forum and it should be a place where people can learn about other points of view (they don't have to agree) but please don't put words into peoples posts.

If your gay, you dont have to fight for gay rights thats true... just look at reverend haggard.

This is about people not agreeing with the fact that we are equal, that we dont deserve equality under the law. This is about people telling us we are incapable of adopting children and marrying the ones we love.

This is about the religious right trying to control us and infringe on our rights and freedoms. Saying we dont deserve to be equal is saying that the hatred and ignorance against us is OK.

Its not OK.

Being against gay people's right to adopt a child is not OK.

I apologize if I missinterpreted sebbles, I assumed he meant that gay people shouldnt have the right to adopt, but apparently I am putting words into his mouth by saying what he was implying.

Last night Jon Stewart noticed something about our people, we have worse self-loathing people then his people have. Self-hating gays should work out thier inner conflicts before they fight against our civil rights.

 

[Quaker1234]

Racism is incomparable to gay marriage in my opinion...

What were the arguments against interracial marriages say.... 70 years ago?

What are the arguments against gay marriages now?

You had mentioned earlier something to the effect of "marriage = religion, gay = sin therefore no gay marriage." So I gotta ask you by using your -very simple- logic are atheists allowed to get married?

The deciding factor in getting married is NOT religion as you seem to believe (or dare I say want to believe?).

Wow, you really need a lesson on hate. Hate would be "all gay people should burn in hell", not "I beleive gays shouldn't have the option to adopt". That's not hate.

By the same token if I were to say.... "ALL blacks should be sent back to Africa" would that not be hate? or is that just my opinion because afterall I'm not advocating for anyone to die... right?

 

[Quaker1234]

im not speaking on this subject anymore, ive said what i want, ive explained all i need to do on here.

What a surprise

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

MCsNo1Fn, you are at best undecided on the issue, and your indecision is clearly based on fear.

Fear of altering the status quo. Fear of a religious backlash. Fear that same-sex marriage is a pipe dream and we are kidding ourselves. Fear that same-sex marriage is becoming too real and too close. Fear of physical retribution. Maybe it's time to question your questioning.

By the way, If you feel that racial bigotry is so far removed from homosexual bigotry, then why would you use the example of “redneck black hangings” as a cause for your fear of physical retaliation?

I'm just plain bad at analogies. I see similarities in racial vs gay or whatever, but it seems incomparable. Sure, some things are the same, but a lot isn't as well. It just seems like an odd comparison to me.

And yes, I suppose it is mostly fear. Everything is wonderful in my life right now. My friends are awesome about it, people (even the biggest redneck bigots) that I meet don't care, even if they do or don't disagree with it, and I think that if gay marriage ever happens, it will throw away everything I have and those who I am friends with. And you can give me the "if they'd do that then they're not real friends, etc etc" but it won't work on me. People ALWAYS ask me about gay marriage, and I always say I'm not for it, but I'm not against it either. And they're always like "that's good, it's just not right etc etc" and even though it kind of annoys me that people care about what I do with my life, I just don't say anything because I know people could easily form a group and whip my fat ass so fast. It's the south. At least wait till I move to try and get gay marriage to pass lol