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Gay Marriage Updates By State

nurseboy269 said:
I do not think that that is hardly an equal comparison.
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I do.

Saying there needs to be a separate term to describe gay people communicates to children and the rest of society that gay people are not equal, that their status is second rate, and that while we might claim to afford them the same rights, we still like to keep them at arms length somewhat, that we're not comfortable regarding them or their relationships as the same as other people. That's a terrible message.
 
hotatlboi said:
I do.

Saying there needs to be a separate term to describe gay people communicates to children and the rest of society that gay people are not equal, that their status is second rate, and that while we might claim to afford them the same rights, we still like to keep them at arms length somewhat, that we're not comfortable regarding them or their relationships as the same as other people. That's a terrible message.
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I never implied that gay people should be referred to as something different from gay. Asking if the actual title of a legal contract was that important is not implying in anyway that a group of people should be relabeled/redefined.
 
nurseboy269 said:
I never implied that gay people should be referred to as something different from gay.
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huh? I never implied that you implied that.

nurseboy269 said:
Asking if the actual title of a legal contract was that important is not implying in anyway that a group of people should be relabeled/redefined.
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It is implying that another category needs to be invented to describe the unions of gay people as somehow different from the unions of straight people.

Suppose people didn't feel that interracial couples deserved the term marriage, when that right was granted to them. Should we have come up with another term that grants the same rights as marriage but is called something else just same-race couples can feel superior about their unions? That's just as absurd.
 
Does Ron Paul Want To Stop The Supreme Court From Ruling On Prop 8?

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) introduced the Orwellian-named “We The People Act” again last week, which seeks to prohibit the Supreme Court — and all federal courts — from ruling on cases involving religious liberty, sexual orientation, family relations, education, and abortion. This would effectively allow the fifty states fifty different codes on all social issues, and devour the “full faith and credit clause,” also known as Article Four, Section 1, of the United States Constitution, as well as weaken due process under the Fourteenth Amendment.
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http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...om-ruling-on-prop-8/politics/2011/03/29/18050
 
Notable weddings in Spain

Since its legalization in 2005, couples from a cross section of Spanish society have entered into same-sex marriage. Within the first year the law received royal assent, an influential socialist leader and Madrid city councilor Pedro Zerolo married Jesús Santos in January, and the most popular TV presenter Jesús Vázquez married Roberto Cortés in March.[69][70] In October 2005, Spain's prominent anti-terrorism judge Fernando Grande-Marlaska married his fiancé Gorka Gomez.[71] In August 2006 Ourense city councilor and member of the People's Party Pepe Araujo, whose party originally opposed the law, married his fiancé Nino Crespo.[72] In September 2006 Alberto Linero Marchena and Alberto Sánchez Fernández, both army soldiers assigned to the Morón Air Base near Sevilla, became Spain's first military personnel to marry under the new law.[73] In August 2008, Doña Luisa Isabel Alvarez de Toledo, 21st Duchess of Medina Sidonia and three-time Grandee of Spain, became the highest ranking Spanish noble to marry in an articulo mortis (deathbed) wedding to longtime companion Liliana Maria Dahlmann, now the Dowager Duchess of Medina Sidonia by right of her late wife.


UPDATE is bad news, some voices around here are making a bit of noise, guessing that soon it's a fact that right wing is going to win the general elections in Spain. The close relation of right wing with the pope and the catholic church will affect civil gay rights here, they could begin putting their claws on the same sex weddings. Bad times are approaching. :(
 
castoono said:
Notable weddings in Spain

Since its legalization in 2005, couples from a cross section of Spanish society have entered into same-sex marriage. Within the first year the law received royal assent, an influential socialist leader and Madrid city councilor Pedro Zerolo married Jesús Santos in January, and the most popular TV presenter Jesús Vázquez married Roberto Cortés in March.[69][70] In October 2005, Spain's prominent anti-terrorism judge Fernando Grande-Marlaska married his fiancé Gorka Gomez.[71] In August 2006 Ourense city councilor and member of the People's Party Pepe Araujo, whose party originally opposed the law, married his fiancé Nino Crespo.[72] In September 2006 Alberto Linero Marchena and Alberto Sánchez Fernández, both army soldiers assigned to the Morón Air Base near Sevilla, became Spain's first military personnel to marry under the new law.[73] In August 2008, Doña Luisa Isabel Alvarez de Toledo, 21st Duchess of Medina Sidonia and three-time Grandee of Spain, became the highest ranking Spanish noble to marry in an articulo mortis (deathbed) wedding to longtime companion Liliana Maria Dahlmann, now the Dowager Duchess of Medina Sidonia by right of her late wife.


UPDATE is bad news, some voices around here are making a bit of noise, guessing that soon it's a fact that right wing is going to win the general elections in Spain. The close relation of right wing with the pope and the catholic church will affect civil gay rights here, they could begin putting their claws on the same sex weddings. Bad times are approaching. :(
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Gay marriage in Spain won't be repealed. Read this thread:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325161&highlight=same+sex+marriage+spain

BTW Moreno has backtracked a bit on his "promise" to repeal the law. He now says he will see how the court rules and then listen to the people.
 
scream4ever said:
Gay marriage in Spain won't be repealed. Read this thread:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325161&highlight=same+sex+marriage+spain

BTW Moreno has backtracked a bit on his "promise" to repeal the law. He now says he will see how the court rules and then listen to the people.
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The problem is that politicians will promise you the moon before elections day, which are coming soon. And with right wing in Spain you never know. I am prepared to face everything. And I mean what I say. I don't expect to see me in problems, but when I was a child there was a law "of vagos y maleantes" (let's say "beggars and bad people in general" who put you into jail just for being homosexual, I am not speaking of Medieval Ages, but some years ago when right wingers reigned over here.
 
^^^You don't gotta tell me that as an American. Politicians here typically don't do 3/4 of what they promise.

Gays were also jailed here for being gay up until the 1970's, and sodomy laws could still be enforced up until 2003.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be aware of it, but it won't be repealed IMO. People feared Canada would repeal it when the right came to power (only 1 year after gay marriage became law), and the Prime Minister discovered it wasn't so easy.
 
Bottom line, as Colorado showed, the Right doesn't support civil unions either. They don't want ANY rights for us.
 
Like we have through world history, the "greatest" country is way behind when it comes to civil rights issues like this.
 
scream4ever said:
^^^You don't gotta tell me that as an American. Politicians here typically don't do 3/4 of what they promise.

Gays were also jailed here for being gay up until the 1970's, and sodomy laws could still be enforced up until 2003.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be aware of it, but it won't be repealed IMO. People feared Canada would repeal it when the right came to power (only 1 year after gay marriage became law), and the Prime Minister discovered it wasn't so easy.
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Yesterday, the wannabe/gonnabe new president of Spain, the right winger Mariano Rajoy, when asked about our Gay Marriage, said that he had nothing against it (although they want to take away the word "marriage" and put "civil union" instead) and centered himself in abortion. For them, those subjects Abortion & Civil gay rights seem to go together. But you see, maybe they'll leave us alone with our small portion of freedom.
 
castoono said:
Yesterday, the wannabe/gonnabe new president of Spain, the right winger Mariano Rajoy, when asked about our Gay Marriage, said that he had nothing against it (although they want to take away the word "marriage" and put "civil union" instead) and centered himself in abortion. For them, those subjects Abortion & Civil gay rights seem to go together. But you see, maybe they'll leave us alone with our small portion of freedom.
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I thought this applied to the topic:

http://www.news1130.com/news/nation...ity-no-secret-agenda-on-gay-marriage-abortion

When are the elections in Spain anyways?
 
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