Gay Marriage Updates By State

[hotatlboi]

If you read past posts on that site I posted legal experts are saying it's unlikely that the 9th Circut will grant an en banc hearing.

Maybe we will be able to hear it during this term of the Supreme Court (the 9th would have to issue a ruling by the end of December, since the deadline for hearing cases in the Supreme Court during this term ends at the end of January)!

Highly unlikely.

 

[Kulindahr]

If you read past posts on that site I posted legal experts are saying it's unlikely that the 9th Circut will grant an en banc hearing.

Maybe we will be able to hear it during this term of the Supreme Court (the 9th would have to issue a ruling by the end of December, since the deadline for hearing cases in the Supreme Court during this term ends at the end of January)!

But if they deny an en banc, doesn't that mean the case is ended right there?

 

[scream4ever]

But if they deny an en banc, doesn't that mean the case is ended right there?

No I don't believe so. Only a fraction of cases are heard en banc before appealing to the Supreme Court. It's usually only can happen if it's a split ruling, and most legal experts are saying that this one will be unanimous.

 

[Kulindahr]

No I don't believe so. Only a fraction of cases are heard en banc before appealing to the Supreme Court. It's usually only can happen if it's a split ruling, and most legal experts are saying that this one will be unanimous.

That makes sense.

I don't suppose you have a link to Ninth C. procedural rules?
(Not that I'd find them fun to read anyway.)

 

[Kulindahr]

Some troika is sick of this issue

Oh, probably not of the issue -- legal types love to hash issues on into eternity.

They're probably sick of certain parties involved in the issue.

 

[metta]

Marriage Equality Looks More and More Inevitable

http://purpleunions.com/blog/2011/11/marriage-equality-looks-more-and-more-inevitable.html

 

[frankfrank]

The SILENT Generation is the one which precedes Boomers? Why have I never heard that term before...until this moment?

 

[hotatlboi]

Marriage Equality Looks More and More Inevitable

http://purpleunions.com/blog/2011/11/marriage-equality-looks-more-and-more-inevitable.html

I'm slightly disappointed that even now only 59% of millennials are in favor. Clearly we have a long way to go.

 

[scream4ever]

I'm slightly disappointed that even now only 59% of millennials are in favor. Clearly we have a long way to go.

Millennials (those roughly age 18-29) are the ones most likely to shift in favor remember. They're still young and learning a lot about the world.

Also, the poll from Gallup (usually considered to be the most accurate/reliable one of its kind) released this year showed support among that age group at 70%.

 

[hotatlboi]

hmm good point, I like that 70% figure better.

 

[sokker]

I'm slightly disappointed that even now only 59% of millennials are in favor. Clearly we have a long way to go.

Well.. only 58 % of Norwegians support same sex marriage. We have a lot of bigots here too. This is one of the most conservative and Christian countries in western Europe.

 

[scream4ever]

Well.. only 58 % of Norwegians support same sex marriage. We have a lot of bigots here too. This is one of the most conservative and Christian countries in western Europe.

Only 58%? We probably won't have levels that high here for at least another 5 years.

Regardless, that number seems like a bit of an outlier if you look at others from different survey's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Norway

 

[scream4ever]

That's the effect of poll sampling.

Confirmation bias.

I'd say it's somewhere in between the two.

Anyway, anybody briefs are due tomorrow in Perry.

It's not confirmation bias. Gallup is considered one of the most (if not THE most) reliable polling firms in the country. They have been polling on this issue longer then anyone I believe (since 1996).

 

[Kulindahr]

^
Nicely explained.

 

[dancinman]

i hear queensland in australia has gotten same sex civil unions now or something? not quite sure though...

 

[scream4ever]

That isn't what confirmation bias means.

Confirmation bias doesn't depend on the veracity of information.

A research paper may show all true information, but be confirmation biased in omitting other results which are true as well.




Note that the question of support for marriage equality is often 'dumbed' down to a matter of 'yes' or 'no,' when in fact the question is often posed in a number of ways which bias the outcome. As a result, a respondent can maintain superficially inconsistent opinions.

NOM typically asks questions like "Do you support marriage as being between a man and a woman?"

Gallup may ask "Do you think same-sex couples should be allowed to marry?"

A respondent can say yes to both and maintain a consistent position on the issue.

Yes I understand that of course but the fact is if they all continue to ask the question the same and support overall increases, it says something.

 

[sokker]

Only 58%? We probably won't have levels that high here for at least another 5 years.

Regardless, that number seems like a bit of an outlier if you look at others from different survey's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Norway

Well.. the numbers from 2008 are more real than the earlier numbers, because that's the year they started debating gay marriage, before it became a reality. The numbers from the previous years are just people who probably hadn't decided on the issue and just said "Yes" but it looks like many people changed their minds and opted for no when it was about to become a reality, so I think the last numbers polled in 2008 are more correct than the other polls.

 

[sokker]

Whatevz. I can't believe someone in fucking NORWAY is bitching about their country not being gay friendly enough.

*is this real life?*...

You have NO IDEA how it is to live in Norway. I assume you don't live, or have lived, here? Then how can you possibly know how it's like being gay here?

Maybe I am exaggerating a little. It's not like Norway is Sudan or whatever. Yes, we DO have it better than many other places, but is that simply enough? Should we compare ourselves to other countries saying "oh well, it could be worse", and just being complacent with everything as it is now? My answer is no. We must strive for total equality, not just in laws, but also in society, to be accepted as we are. I do not feel like gays are accepted in Norway. The Christians still have a hold on his country, it's still a VERY conservative country compared to Sweden and Denmark. It is still tough being gay in Norway, especially in the south and west, aka the bible belt.

At least you have big gay communities in USA, even in the more conservative parts of the country. In my town we have ONE gay bar, and I live in one of the biggest cities in Norway. We have more churches (anti-gay, that is), than I can count. I read about gays being discriminated against EVERY day in the news. A guy was even lit on fire because he was gay! A gay couple was thrown out of a cab in Oslo because they were gay. A lesbian couple were denied IVF to become pregnant from their doctor, siting "religious and personal" reasons. There was an outrage when a gay man was on a dating show for farmers on tv here. The channel got hundreds and hundreds of complaints (which is a lot in tiny Norway). Heck, even our most famous lesbian handball player got hate mail when she announced she was pregnant and that she and her partner would become mothers. She got fucking HATE MAIL, she read a lot of hateful stuff, from Christians and conservatives. She said it was very tough to read it. Trust me when I say.. you have NO IDEA how it is in Norway. You probably think because Sweden and Denmark are liberal, we must be too? You couldn't be more wrong. Norway is a CHRISTIAN nation with a state church, and the bible belt is even worse, because we have all the anti gay, pro life, pro creationism idiots here, and they have a lot of power too. The state church is fairly liberal (but still against gay marriage, gays can NOT get married in the state church yet), but most of the churches here are very, very anti gay, spewing their hate. Most of the population here supports their view on marriage and homosexuality. I'm sure if people here were polled about 20-30 % would say they support gay marriage. Heck, a bitch from my town is even SUING the state because of the new marriage law.

Don't you dare say that I can't complain because I live in Norway. We still have a LONG way to go. Acceptance in society is still low. We got the marriage law before we reached full acceptance in society. There's a clash. Just slightly over half of the population supports gay marriage, and we never even would have had it if it wasn't for our socialist government. Yes, I'm sure it could be worse, I could live in Saudi Arabia were being gay is illegal, but this is FAR from paradise for gays. I feel like gays are not accepted, we are being discriminated against every day, the Christians are still against us, people still use a lot of hurtful words to describe gay people... I want to get away from here. I don't like it here. It's so bad that I want to move. So please.. don't you dare say how I can't be upset because I live in Norway. Try living here before commenting on it.

 

[sokker]

As far as Norway goes, it's not just that you have it better than other places. You have it better than almost every country on earth.

One of the very first to get full equality.

I'm sure that you have your share of bigots, but you keep acting like it's so horrendous there when you're on par with the American northeast! 58 percent in a gay marriage poll? Are you freaking kidding? We can barely get that kind of approval in New England.

And again.. when are you gonna get it? Being equal by the law doesn't mean that now magically all the homophobia and discrimination in society have magically disappeared. It has gotten worse imo, because now the bigots have yet another reason to hate us, because now we're destroying marriage too.

The society here is still very Christian, very conservative and very anti-gay. I have read many, many stories about gay people in bible Norway being thrown out of their home for being gay, being gay, disowned by their own family etc. Gays are very often bullied and discrimination seems to be ok going by all the hateful comments posted on the net. TRUST me when I say many people are homophobic here. This country is far from liberal.

The only thing you base your facts on is marriage equality. Yes, it's great that we are now equal by the law, but I would like to see us accepted by the Norwegian society and stop discrimination too, and we have a looooong way to go before that happens. Norway is still the most conservative country in Scandinavia and it's still EXTREMELY hard to be gay in parts of Norway. It will probably take 50 more years, at least, before we can even be on par with where Sweden and Denmark are today. The society here hasn't changed much over the last 30 years. Yeah, we have marriage equality, but LGBT people still have it VERY difficult in Norway.

I feel like we will never agree, because you just say "but you can get married!" to everything I say. You think Norway is a paradise for gay people, when I in fact it's quite the opposite. Norway is a shithole and there's a reason I want to get the fuck away from here. I am tired of gay people being discriminated against, I am tired of reading hateful comments towards LGBT people every day, I am tired of gay bashings, I am tired of bigoted Christians saying we're going to hell.

Yes, we have marriage equality, but that doesn't mean that Norway has all of a sudden changed and gays can now live happily ever after, and Norway is now sooo gay friendly. It doesn't work like that. Laws don't change attitudes and acceptance rooted in the society. Then again.. gay marriage obviously means gay paradise for you. Fine, what about moving here if you think it's so great? You obviously know more about being gay in Norway than I do. I've only lived here my entire life, but yep.. it still seems like you know more about being gay in Norway than me. Whatever. You can think whatever you want if it makes you happy. Just know that the world is not always as perfect as what you make it out to be, and what you say isn't always correct. Lets just leave it at that.

 

[frankfrank]

As far as Norway goes, it's not just that you have it better than other places. You have it better than almost every country on earth.

One of the very first to get full equality.

I'm sure that you have your share of bigots, but you keep acting like it's so horrendous there when you're on par with the American northeast! 58 percent in a gay marriage poll? Are you freaking kidding? We can barely get that kind of approval in New England.

Sokker is THERE, and he knows what is what. You don't have to look as far away as Norway to find this much distance between the law and social norms...you can look within the United States. Think about the Civil Rights Act of 1965. Just because it is now the law of the land, it doesn't mean that people from non-Caucasian backgrounds are entirely accepted and embraced everywhere. The Ku Klux Klan and other hate groups haven't gone away, and may God be with you and you're Black and you move to Idaho Falls or an all-White town in eastern Kentucky, or if you're Native American and get into an argument in one of those small towns half an hour away from the Rez. (I knew somebody, years ago, who lived in Gordon, Nebraska and more than once he was aware of people he knew, or knew about, who killed "Indians" for sport, and he even told me he saw a murder once.)

Thank you for the posts, Sokker - I've learned something here. Indeed I was thinking that Norway was a gay paradise. Your description sounds much like the "Bible belt" of this country, which is more in the South than in the North...but, here, the "south" includes a good portion of my state which is usually regarded as a Northern, very progressive and liberal state. In Illinois, anything south of Interstate 64 is pretty much "the solid south," and some deep southern places like Marion/Cairo/Anna are every bit as "southern" as Mississippi or the piney woods of eastern Texas.