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Gay sites in UAE, Oman, and especially Iran.

The problem is he wants to hook up with those hundreds of "iranian" profiles. So set it up before hand and let them show you how to spoof their filter.

I actually agree with Jasun for once which is incredibly strange. Don't be a complete tart and stop complaining that it is the US media and ignorant citizens that cause 15yo's to be executed. Or that the rape of a 15 year old by three or more grown men is his fault.

Hell if the middle east is so great and we are so shitty then why are you here?
 
Oh my God, you still don't get it do you?

I am NOT going to Iran to break the law. Surfing sensitive websites is more of a taboo than a law. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that.

And I know you would love going to Iran, everyone would. It's a fantastic place to visit, with amazing people. That's why I feel such a strong need to protect Iranians against people like who spend so much time, money, and resources discrediting them.

Homosexuality is illegal, you're right but it's happening, and about Ahmadinejad, have you ever talked to an Iranian about that? Don't you realize the man is misquoted on a regular basis by the same media you buy into day in, and day out. Ahmad said we don't have gays like in your country, not that we don't have gays. "In your country" is another way of saying, our gays are not like your gays. He's basically saying the gay culture tolerated in America is unacceptable in Iran. That's not the same as saying gays don't exist. Of course, you have to speak Farsi to notice the subtle difference, but if you gave a hoot about truth, an reality in the Middle East, you'd have talked to at least one Iranian about that by now.

And how do you know I am planning to fuck anyone in Iran? You think I want to access gay sites to find sexdates? You are joking. I don't even do that here, in the West. I am looking to find Iranian friends to further my knowledge about their country, and culture, and most importantly, their opinions about people like you, in America, and Canada who are so against them. You make a lot of assumptions about my intentions in Iran without even knowing a single fact about me.

I asked you about site access to send Iranians messages, of course I will do that before going to Iran, but once I am there, I need to check my daily messages, and that means free access. That was the point of the thread, nothing else. Why you changed it to a political discussion is entirely in your court.

Perhaps it's karma? Judge an entire country, and culture and watch your own culture dissected for its despicable elements on an online forum.

And one of your is exactly right. I am looking to contact a hundred Iranian profiles, and of course they will show me how to do everything in Iran, but I thought maybe there's something non-Iranians could add re the issue of Internet proxies, and filtering systems in Iran.

I can see now some of you prefer to bash the country than answer my question. That is a direct conditioned response taught early on by the corrupt education and media system in your part of the world. It's sick, and unproductive, and you know it.

And you need to hear it.

Listen I never said it's the fault of the victim to get raped. I said in the Iranian legal system, any individual who takes a life is considered a murderer. One can be a victim, and a criminal at the same time. I know that doesn't make sense to you, and it never comes up as an issue in your cop, court, and police movies in America, which is probably where you get all your knowledge, but in Iran it's the law. And you said it yourself, in Iran you follow the law.

And those two boys weren't executed specifically because they were gay. You may remember sodomy was the issue at point, not homosexuality. If Iran considered homosexuality a death sentence, don't you think it would have killed more gays by now? Yet, all you have is the same picture, and story of those two boys, and NOTHING more.

In reality, one of the boys was much older, and sodomized an under aged boy, which is a combination of rape, and sodomy, which in the Islamic system is almost as bad as adultery, and one step further up on the list of no no's.

Your conclusion, therefore that Iran executes gays simple because they're gay is FALSE. In fact, Iran pays for sex change operations for both men, and women who feel like the other. The government takes care of the medical expenses of a portion of its gay population. Does America do that?

Of course, I am not saying Iran has a good relationship with homosexuals, quiet the opposite, but it's unwise to judge them based on that. It only creates an atmosphere of conflict, as Iranians always stick to their guns, remind you of anyone?

And on a final note, in the last few months, due to internal, and external protest, Iran's religious leader, Khameini has passed a fatwa declaring youth executions a judgement of the past. So, even in Iran progress is visible.

You just have to open your eyes, and ears to hear it, or is that asking too much (from North Americans)?
 
Of course I will be careful, and I already know what to do re: discretion in Iran, I am not stupid. Actually, I had no intention of getting political here, I just wanted advice on how to access gay sites in Iran, but I guess I asked the wrong people, who obviously hate Iran.

And I know what Iran does to gays is wrong, but that's the last thing I want to hear from a bunch of ignorant, political gays in America complaining about another Muslim country they've never been to, and probably don't know how to handle.

And barbaric is your media that brainwashes you about the Eastern world. You know nothing except what your corporate media feeds you, and that's barbaric. Intellectual barbarism at its worst.



You blatantly don't want advice so wont waste my time anymore as i have been many times and as i pointed out early on live there in an on off basis and I'm not American i just thought YOU needed the reality check well you have been warned and as i said yep loads of ads for guys how else do you think they catch them its a set up but you choose not to listen so go ahead do what you like and stop bleating on Oh yes and good luck cos you young man are going to need it if you keep the blinkers on much longer.](*,)
 
At present the following Islamic countries have the death penalty for homosexual men:

Sudan
Nigeria
Somalia
UAE
Yemen
Saudi Arabia
Mauritania
And, of course, Iran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#Homosexuality_laws_in_Muslim_countries

The OP, judging from his/her posts in this thread, is not educated or intelligent.

The President of Iran has said quite clearly that there are no homosexuals in Iran.



And, if that is the case, there are no gay Iranian websites. And accessing gay websites from other countries whilst in Iran would be a very stupid thing to do.

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy the 72 virgins! ;)
 
You people don't know jack squat about Iran, and therefore your opinons on the country, (gay or not) are worthless.
And yet you know a great deal about the people who have posted in this thread, presumably people you have never met. Hello pot? I'd like you to meet kettle....
 
Trust me, sandia911,
most Canadians aren't against Iran or anything, and Yeah he was misquoted. And North Americans in General opposed things like the Iraq war. Canadian media is much more sensitive than the American one, so it's a completely different story.
 
At present the following Islamic countries have the death penalty for homosexual men:

Sudan
Nigeria
Somalia
UAE
Yemen
Saudi Arabia
Mauritania
And, of course, Iran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#Homosexuality_laws_in_Muslim_countries

The OP, judging from his/her posts in this thread, is not educated or intelligent.

The President of Iran has said quite clearly that there are no homosexuals in Iran.



And, if that is the case, there are no gay Iranian websites. And accessing gay websites from other countries whilst in Iran would be a very stupid thing to do.

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy the 72 virgins! ;)

Uh, no he was misquoted, so relax, and you're the only unintelligent one Greaves, no need to attack others.
 
Uh, no he was misquoted, so relax, and you're the only unintelligent one Greaves, no need to attack others.

If you think it's "unintelligent" to post the fact that gay men can be executed in Iran, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, and Mauritinia then you are as stupid as the OP.

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy the 72 virgins. ;)
 
If you think it's "unintelligent" to post the fact that gay men can be executed in Iran, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, and Mauritinia then you are as stupid as the OP.

Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy the 72 virgins. ;)

I was CLEARLY referring to the fact that dumb ass-jad was misquoted.
 
to put it bluntyl, don't look up any gay websites while you're in these countries, espcially Iran. Trust me, whether you think those two boys were hanged for being gay or not, homosexuality is not looked upon highly in the Middle East. I would strongly advise not to do it while over there
 
Interesting to note that the idiot who posted this thread has disappeared.

Perhaps too busy wrapping Christmas presents.

And whats with the 9/11 tag?
 
Canadian? And you think that means your better informed? Please

You people don't know jack squat about Iran, and therefore your opinons on the country, (gay or not) are worthless.

And executing rape victims? You forgot to mention these rape victims killed their rapists, which makes them murderers. And it's because they commited murder they faced execution, not because they are raped.

Killing someone is murder regardless of the circumstances. Hell, you can say soldiers in Iraq are murderers, and many of them are, but you call them soldiers, and it's permissible to kill all of a sudden.

Bottom line, you are NOT in the higher moral ground, NO ONE IS, it's called the WORLD, and different cultures deal with the same problems in different ways, NOBODY is superior in morality, because morality is relative, and subjective to different factors, some of which you're confused minds well never understand. Too much CNN..

You see where this is going now.

I normally don't butt into other people's arguments, but the OP is clearly demonstrating the "human brain on crack."

Nuts! We had apologists, similarly, trying to paint a rosy picture of Germany circa 1938.

I suppose the way the Nazi''s dealt with their "problems" (jews and gays) was simply "relative?"
 
Now, it's about Jews? Ha, I guess I can't say I'm surprised you brought it up. The same people who say Ahmadinejad said there are no gays in Iran, which he never did, say he wants to kill all the Jews too.

And you say Americans regret the actions of their country, yet they buy into what their leaders say about others.

I think some of you are warming up to the truth, and others are hell bent on hating Iran, because they killed 2 gay dudes. Well, it happened. But that doesn't mean they want to kill all the gays, and now Jews of the world.

You're making that shit up, NO ONE has ever said those things.

And if you push me further I will prove he never said it. But, I hope you aren't that dense. After all, I hope you know how to find raw footage on your own.
 
And about intellegence, and education, do you really think you ought to be saying that to me, considering you maybe coming from a country that forcibly dumbs down its population to keep them from second guessing policies that not only anger the world, but encourage them to take up defensive positions against the US.

And your list of countries that supposedly executes gays, simply because they're gay had this to say about Iran

"Sodomy is a crime for which both partners can be punished by death. If the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the Shari'a judge to decide. A non-adult who engages in consensual sodomy is subject to a punishment of 74 lashes. (Articles 108 to 113) Sodomy is proved either if a person confesses four times to having committed sodomy or by the testimony of four righteous men. Testimony of women alone or together with a man does not prove sodomy. (Articles 114 to 119). "If sodomy, or the lesser crimes referred to above, are proved by confession, and the person concerned repents, the Shari'a judge may request that he be pardoned. If a person who has committed the lesser crimes referred to above repents before the giving of testimony by the witnesses, the punishment is quashed. (Articles 125 and 126).

You hear that? It's not clear cut, and many cases where SODOMY is the crime at hand, gays can get out of punishment. In the case of those boys, they either refused to repent, which was just stupid of them, or what I believe is more probable, and what probably happened, is they were made an example of by the system, to force Iran's gay population further underground. It was a political move, more than a matter of crime, and punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran
 
what probably happened, is they were made an example of by the system, to force Iran's gay population further underground. It was a political move, more than a matter of crime, and punishment.

And that's better how? Gay people can still get the death penalty for being gay. You are not any safer. Hell, you may be more at risk as a foreigner, because you're a prime target for becoming an example to the rest of the country.

Besides, crime and punishment are mostly political. Who make laws? Politicians do. If they want gays to hang for whatever reason (including religious ones), they will create a law that makes sure that's exactly what happens.
 
No, you are wrong

Gays in Iran are THREATHENED with the death penalty for sodomy, and often given the chance to repent for a lighter non-lethal sentence, for example sex change operations (at the expense of the state), or flogging, which is violent, but then again so is electrical shock death, and poison injection (practiced regularly in the United States). Moreover, If you ever met an Iranian, or visited their home, and meet their family, you would know they RESPECT foreigners, and that means they value their safety, and security especially when traveling.

Have you ever heard of a case of a foreigner dieing, or suffering at the hands of the Iranian people? It doesn't happen, the only cases that come even close are the US embassy hostages, or spies (depending on who you're talking too) way back in 1979, and more recently, the British sailors in Iranian waters, or not who were detained for a week back in March 2007. In Both cases, all foreigners returned safely to their homes, and never complained about ill treatment at the hands of the Iranians. Now compare that to how forigners are treated in the United States, and then tell me who is safer where? Think of Guantanomo, and arrest without trial when you answer.

Bottom line is foreigners are safer than locals when traveling in Iran. They are often assisted, and welcomed by all corners of Iranian society, I should know, I've been there several times, and I'm sure other westerners with a closer connection to Iranians will back me up on this.

And finally, why would the Iranian government bother foreigners to set an example for locals. That's ridicilious. If they want the local population to follow a set of rules, they will make examples of other locals.

Your logic is simply flawd, and I'm beginning to wonder if any of it is sinking in.
 
Yeah, it is, they are making examples of local gays. Why would a gay even need to repent? He shouldn't.
 
Gays in Iran are THREATHENED with the death penalty for sodomy, and often given the chance to repent for a lighter non-lethal sentence, for example sex change operations (at the expense of the state), or flogging, which is violent, but then again so is electrical shock death, and poison injection (practiced regularly in the United States).

And you would risk having a mandatory sex change operation or a flogging just because you can't keep it in your pants? Not much better than the death penalty.

Private persons are not the same as the establishment. While individuals may help you, the official stance on homosexuality is one of persecution. To deny this is to be blind to a simple fact.
 
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