Gay twin brothers having sex: Right or wrong?

[fetaby]

Appaling. Disgusting. Immoral. Horrible. Sickening.
. . . I could go on and on.

That is really just 100% WRONG and ANYbody with any ounce of morality would know that.

Good thing I have no morality. I was never the poster child of heterosexual morality. I knew what that was as early as 8, I knew even then that men were supposed to like women ( who are not related to them).

But I didn't . I liked men. Full grown muscled men with big dicks swinging and balls the size of grapefruit.

So at that point, I am forever a square peg being forced into a vagina. But since I have chosen to be the person that feels the most correct for me, I have been liberated in to knowing that what others believe is immoral is my reality. And how is my experience any different than those two ass fuckers from the OP? TBH, I'm jealous they are getting paid for it...

And for the record, one must know the way down the low road to know they don't want to be on it, and they can't do that from a high horse with blinders on.

 

[Alpha1851]

To those who say it's wrong, I have one simple question: why?

Can you explain WHY it's wrong, other than some 5th-grade, gut-level, "it's icky!!" response?

I don't care enough either way.

Then again, I think parent-child porn is fucked up like all hell, but that's kind of different.

Well, typically you'll get the incest is wrong b/c (1) it's just gross...I'd never sleep w/ my father, brother, son, daughter, uncle... and (2) their offspring will have two heads and a tail.

Really though, there are some legitimate reasons for society to abhor incest. In many relationships, there is a system of power and this set up is ingrained in the familial unit. The older brother typically bosses the younger brother. The nephew seeks out his uncle for advice. There's often an undeniable power structure that goes beyond just the relationship of father and son.

Of course, the counterargument is that any relationship where one person is older, has more experience, has more education, or more money than their beloved, then the power structure is still stacked to one side whether the couple is related or not. Although that's true, it's also relevant that young minds are very impressionable. If a younger brother admires and emulates his older brother throughout his childhood, is he really able to determine whether he wishes to continue having sex with his brother down the road. Also, unlike educational opportunities and economic status, familial structure is typically static. The younger brother will always be the younger brother. If incest has been ingrained in your brain from day one, do you have the mental capacity to determine whether that's copacetic. A break in that relationship could rip the whole fam apart. Nephew decides he no longer wants to screw around with his Aunt and all hell could break loose.

Plus, putting our stamp of approval on incest might also open the opportunities for abuse. Although as a society we don't gen interfere w/ what people do in their own bedrooms when their of the age of consent, we do think it's important to protect individuals from abuse and we often even stop them from making bad decisions or hurting themselves.

 

[StlKj]

Anyone have anything new to add to the discussion? Because my magic eight ball seems to be suggesting that this is approaching the tipping point in a thread when people just start insulting each other until a mod closes it all down.

Stupid magic eight ball.

 

[Alpha1851]

The discussion about incest in this thread was interesting. Of course it lacked the excitement of gay porn stars. Speaking of which, I so wanted the Prince Twins to screw around on Chaos Men. But alas, there wasn't any real twin on twin action.

 

[hotatlboi]

I think its gross and immoral in my book. Incest is NOT ok, regardless of the fact that they can't have babies

or....

I think it's gross and immoral in my book. Two men having sex is NOT ok, regardless of the fact that they can't have babies....

etc etc

Seriously, all you judgmental people are making the same argument homophobic bigots use against us.

They are two adults, who they have sex with is none of my fucking business.

 

[spooger]

i don't see the problem ...

there's no chance of spawn ... ... two consenting adults ... .... what's the deal?

pruitanical homos

 

[NineOfClubs]

i don't see the problem ...

there's no chance of spawn ... ... two consenting adults ... .... what's the deal?

pruitanical homos

Exactly!

In some ways we're no better than the Christian straights who want us dead.

Really, not much difference....

 

[blackbeltninja]

The fantasy in itself is hot. Straight guys always dream about nailing a pair of bisexual twin girls. There's tons of porn on it.

But as the poster above said, the reality is that Elijah and Milo have some serious mental problems.

I'm not so sure; I really don't think that that's fair.

Let's be honest - porn is pretty much prostitution, right? Being paid for sex. Do pornstars look at themselves as prostitutes? Do we hold a common street-walker in less regard than a pretty pornstar, and if so, why?

Surely, then, different rules must apply to us than to pornstars and prostitutes. They're able to divorce the sex they have as part of the job from anything else sexual in their lives. As far as it goes, this is a work thing and nothing else. I do things at work which I'd never do at home - I've killed 200+ animals when they got sick from malaria; but they wouldn't have had malaria if I hadn't forcibly infected them with it in the first place, and that's not something I would do outside of the work environment ever. At work, though, it's not only necessary it is very much acceptable and almost expected.

You might say anyone who willingly prostitutes themselves (pornstars now, not street-walkers; pornstars are so often described as doing this because they love it, not because they have to. I can't imagine anyone standing on a street corner in a rough part of town in the rain is there because they enjoy it) must have some sort of mental problem, because who would subject themselves to the stigma and whatever other baggage comes with the territory just because they enjoy sex? <----- That's not necessarily my opinion, btw, I'm just throwing it out there.

If these guys were to forsake all others to fall in love with one another then you might have a point about this being a little mental. But if they look at it as one more weird sex thing - it's not really much more out-there than, say, being gang-banged bareback by 10 guys in a faux-rape scene, I reckon - then I'm not so sure that is really hugely wrong.

-d-

 

[MindBlast]

A good check for immorality is are you actually HURTING someone else.

I'll preface by saying I'm not attracted to twincest or incest of any sort, but, I don't think some of you are being rational here.

1. Parent/child incest ends up damaging the relationship between the two of them because of the authority/mentorship role. It totally removes those authority lines (ie: it's sort of the same thing as if you agreed to give your dad a spanking, lol) The same is true of teacher/student sex. It's awkward even after the student has graduated. Even consensual, there's a power dynamic that can cause some psychological problems or relationship problems with others down the road. Same thing is true with older/younger brothers/sisters. This is usually more damaging to the person with lesser power at the time.

2. Opposite sex incest can cause malformed babies, who have to suffer with an affliction for the rest of their lives. That definitely crosses my moral lines (inflicting a lifetime of suffering on someone for your own momentary pleasure). In my mind, this is by FAR the worst form of consensual sex.

3. Two equal brothers or sisters having homosexual relations doesn't actually hurt anyone besides the two involved parties (but they consented without pressure). They'd have less trouble if they didn't do it, but if they end up with psychological issues with dating and relationships as a result, it's not our problem.

 

[AverageJoe]

if its so hot and so normal and so ok then why can't you believe they did it on camera?

I never said it was normal. I just said I see no moral objections. Seems like making a video like that is just asking for other people to make your life hell. Why bother?

 

[Dolmance]

The basis of this issue and determining its significance depends on how we define morality and how it functions dynamically.

Just shrieking: "It's just wrong and that's it!!!" doesn't actually mean anything, nor does it help the position you want to adopt.

A good basis for determining morality in rational terms, as has already been mentioned, is how particular behaviours and actions affect others. If our behaviours, actions or attitudes negatively impact upon another's lives, their rights or freedoms, then one can rationally define said behaviours, actions or attitudes as "wrong." In essence, if there is an evident and quantifiable "victim" of said behaviour, be it passively or actively, then that behaviour can be clasified as morally reprehensible.

In this instance, I fail to see how one can rationally determine the actions of those involved as "wrong." Though I find it personally distasteful, I cannot see how their actions are impacting in any meaningful way on anyone but themselves. Assuming that they are mentally cogent and capable enough to engage in their relationship with consideration, then I have no basis for condemning them other than my own personal tastes or inclinations, and that is, was and always will be a flimsy basis for moral condemnation.

 

[GayHunting]

I never said it was normal. I just said I see no moral objections. Seems like making a video like that is just asking for other people to make your life hell. Why bother?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Kulindahr]

To those who say it's wrong, I have one simple question: why?

Can you explain WHY it's wrong, other than some 5th-grade, gut-level, "it's icky!!" response?

Appaling. Disgusting. Immoral. Horrible. Sickening.
. . . I could go on and on.

That is really just 100% WRONG and ANYbody with any ounce of morality would know that.

It doesn't take so much as a gram of morality to know you're wrong here.
See below:

A good check for immorality is are you actually HURTING someone else.

That's a good test because it's really measuring the basic principle of morality: each person owns himself. Harm violates the ownership of another person.

To assert that any decision by consenting adults is wrong is to claim ownership over them -- and that's the ultimate immorality. We recognize that when the Phelps types of the world aim it at us, but here in this thread many are doing the same thing (as NineofClubs pointed out nicely). The real question here is this:

Do you believe that twins own themselves just as much as other people, or less?

Any answer that says, "This is wrong" is saying that they own themselves less than other people, that they are in some sense property of all of the rest of us.


Identical twins or any others are just as much people as you and I. If it's okay for me to call up, say JockBoy, and say let's get together and make a porn vid, or just let's get together and do it like the mammals on the Discovery channel, then it's okay for Yosh and Gabe (identical twins I once knew) to blow each other in the shower, or whatever.

Saying otherwise is claiming that DNA is a determinant for morality. With black slavery, we decided that was wrong; with interracial marriages, we decided that was wrong -- but some of you are saying that here it suddenly becomes right.

But that's foolish: those earlier versions of DNA determining morality were wrong for the same reason this one is -- in all cases, the individuals involved own themselves. For you to tell them they may not choose as freely as any other two people is what's immoral.

 

[Kulindahr]

My personal response is that I find it eery, and almost irresistible, so long as they stick to 'anything but anal'. My main draw, though, is wishing I could be the guy in the middle.

 

[BRIOHAZARD]

Isn't it a bit narcissistic to have sex with your twin? It'd be almost like having sex with yourself.


That sounds like something darkcap would do.



I don't find gay twin sex to be any more of a turn-on then any other guys having sex. But hey, to each his own.

 

[Kulindahr]

Someone mentioned mental disorders. That's really reaching.

Yet I can see how they might have come together: remember their parents dissed them for being gay? Imagine growing up in a household like that, but having a natural ally in your twin brother because you were both that way. Turning to each other for support would be only natural, and for other things to follow that would be no big stretch.

In some families with an abusive or repressive atmosphere, twins or close siblings can effectively become extensions of each other. When that happens, as some commented, it's more like doing things with yourself.


Which makes me wonder: if two identical twins were so close that they virtually had just one mind, would that make a difference in people's responses?

 

[RationalLunacy]

I would like to see Siamese twins doing each other.

 

[Royal Heart]

Isn't it a bit narcissistic to have sex with your twin? It'd be almost like having sex with yourself.

If you're hot, why not?

 

[Willie Boy]

The important questions: Do they love each other? Are both willing participants? Is what they are doing causing harm to anyone? Is there a reasonable chance that any offspring of the coupling might be damaged because of said coupling?

If the answers to the first 3 questions are yes and the final one no, then who are we to judge? If such a pairing feels wrong to us, then we don't have to watch or follow it, do we?

 

[operafan]

I can't see why there is so much gnashing of teeth on this. It was a business deal and people are willing to pay. I very much doubt that either will be scarred by this in any way. It's hot because it is naughty.