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gays and the hip hop community

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:confused: What differentiates 'underground' music from 'normal' music; it's all done to make money.

Hip Hop makes big bucks.
 
rareboy said:
^ Hey bud,

I certainly didn't label a whole music genre as stupid, did I?

Go back and reread my post. I'll wait.

Okay.

I said that the Hip Hop 'culture' as it has evolved is stupid. Which, because of the rampant homophobia, not to say misogyny, I am entitled to say.

You, of course are entitled to disagree by giving me proof that this is not the case..

In the meantime, I'll just go back to listening to the HH musik I enjoy and continue to disassociate it from the hyper macho dysfunctional testosterone saturated, big swinging dick mythology that masquerades as 'culture'.
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i've made the same mistake where someone called me out on before. you cannot judge a music genre based on the popular culture or what YOU see. not all hip hop is homophobic or misogyny.
 
refujiunderground said:
i've made the same mistake where someone called me out on before. you cannot judge a music genre based on the popular culture or what YOU see. not all hip hop is homophobic or misogyny.
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I'm not sure you are still getting it either.

I said the culture is stupid. While most of the music is testosterone fueled rants and obsessively about bling, hos, rides, cribs and smoke, not all of it is by any stretch.

But the hip hop culture itself is resoundingly one dimensional and laughably shallow. It is like a tribal association predicated on the simplest big swinging dick precepts and juvenile fashion sense.
 
refujiunderground said:
okay, in hip hop/rap, being that it's closely associated with black culture which is also homophobic, homosexuality is frowned upon tremendously.
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Just found this thread and I have to call out some BS on this post. The assertion that black people/black culture are/is especially homophobic is racist, and it's one of the major racism problems that the gay community has. I can't explain everything (feel free to explore on the web why this assumption is racist though), but for one you can find info about how black culture is much more accepting of things that other races deem *~gay~*.

And let's also consider that the whole music industry is heterosexist. You can find a line of mainstream gay pop stars who have felt pressured not to come out because they had to keep a heterosexual image.
 
crater said:
Just found this thread and I have to call out some BS on this post. The assertion that black people/black culture are/is especially homophobic is racist, and it's one of the major racism problems that the gay community has. I can't explain everything (feel free to explore on the web why this assumption is racist though), but for one you can find info about how black culture is much more accepting of things that other races deem *~gay~*.

And let's also consider that the whole music industry is heterosexist. You can find a line of mainstream gay pop stars who have felt pressured not to come out because they had to keep a heterosexual image.
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as a black male that spent most of my life around black people, the homophobia in the black community is VERY rampant. gay black men are not accepted by the black community in general. it's like you have to deal with the stigma the general society has towards you for being black even though there are people outthere that claim that racism is dead. being gay actually makes it a lot worse because your own community move against you as well as society as well. bad enough, as a black person, you have to deal with people that are black moving against you for whatever reason to the point where you have to watch your back. as a black male, i am more likely to be murdered than a white male in the united states. i am also more likely to be murdered by someone who is black like me more so than any non-black person. i am more likely to be arrested, charged with offensive where as non-blacks might get a slap on their wrists, be discriminated at jobs, and etc. it's disturbing. last year, there was a black transsexual woman that was murdered on the other side of town where i live other than the fact she was a transsexual. it didn't make the news though and as far as i know, the murder wasn't prosecuted as a hate crime. another thing that often isn't talked about is the hate crimes towards black gay people in the black community or for that matter, hate crimes towards gay blacks. tyler clementi made the news but yet i can name two hate crimes involving gay people where they were murdered that didn't even make the news. it just went reported in the local newspaper and they were viewed as regular homicides instead of hate crimes.


as for the homophobia in the black community, you must have forgot the whole "downlow brothers" bullshit that happened some years ago where everywhere from bet to oprah was talking about. it became a witchhunt for gay black men. it wasn't like they were encouraging black men to come out the closet and respecting them for who they are. it was more so pull all the black men to come out the closet and blame them for the reason why there were so many black women having hiv/aids. it was ridiculous. gay black men are belittled and ridiculed because they play against the whole masculinity image black men are supposed to represent in the black community. even in entertainment, gay black men are reduced to bitches where they are feminine than women where even the women treat them funny.

i myself come from a jamaican background, my family's jamaican, and it's known that homophobia is a part of jamaican culture where it's widely tolerated and accepted. you can kill a gay person in jamaica and the police will not prosecute you. there are dominantly black populated countries where being gay is a crime which can get you a life sentence or death.

you appear to not realize that though. yes, it is that bad.
 
The "first step" might have been taken back in 1990. Shame nobody noticed.



Lex
 
G-Lexington said:
The "first step" might have been taken back in 1990. Shame nobody noticed.



Lex
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:( yeah, anything that wasn't on that shoot em up, bang, bang, bang shit got no love back then. the record labels weren't even trying to push anything like this back then because it more than likely wasn't going to sell.
 
this is cute :lol:

The church is the cornerstone of black america so until the baptists stop preaching intolerance we can continue to expect homophobia to permeate hip hop music, especially since black men already have issues with manhood and mascuilinity dating back to our public castrations and slave-baby breeding factory days that nobody is comfortable talking about anymore since it's in the past.
 
GiancarloC said:
I still don't get what this thread is about really... honestly. And it's giving me a headache lol.
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Hip hop. Homophobia. Music. Social attitudes towards homosexuality. This isnt a coordinated strike on Al Qaida, its not that complex.
 
Well there were gay people before hip hop music, and there will be gay people after it.

I'm quite happy to wait it out, and I'm pretty sure I'm not missing out anything in the mean time.
 
>>>yeah, anything that wasn't on that shoot em up, bang, bang, bang shit got no love back then. the record labels weren't even trying to push anything like this back then because it more than likely wasn't going to sell.

The thing is - they DID push DHoH. It showed up on a bunch of year-end best-of lists (that's where I first found out about it), and I recall seeing the first single "Television - Drug of the Nation" on a couple video shows. But people tend to like their music simple, and we apparently we were too busy listening to Milli Vanilli and the New Kids on the Block to bother with this. :)

Lex
 
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