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Geological Time: A Republican Explains

Kulindahr said:
The only thing that should be taught on that matter is that a majority of the world's people believe that God created it all, but that they hardly agree on the details, and for more go to the library and look it up.
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Or "google it."

There is such a far richer tapestry, throughout a multitude of cultures that don't cling to the Judea/Christian/Islamic model; Hindu, Buddhists, Native Cultures, and others for example.

Why should American Public Schools cling to only the two ideas of "creationism v. evolution?"

Oh! Because one is supposed to be steeped in science, and the others in "cultural myths." :cool:
 
Jack Springer said:
How do you tell a child that people, plants, and things just appeared? How do you tell a child that if you leave minerals and water alone for millions of years those components will make a human being or a tree?

Science is an evolving process -- all the answers are not there yet and never will be.
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The solution to that fact is to encourage an interest in science and a curiosity about the natural world. Not telling people "stop asking questions, it's easy enough to simply understand that God did it, why research things?"
 
Rolyo85 said:
Um, in point of fact, in my country nobody has difficulty explaining science to kids. There are kids' encyclopedias, science can be dumbed down infinitely depending on who needs to know. Sadly, religious concepts are rarely smartened up...

And let me add another question just for clarification - in which class should creationism be taught in schools?
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The same class where you would tell kids if they put a bunch of rocks in a box and shook it around for a million years that a Lexus would magically appear.
 
Excuse me, have you gone to school? I mean, you have obviously never talked to children, never even remotely interacted with them, but are you aware of basic scientific facts? I kinda need some context here, because I'm beginning to think we're not coming from the same place knowledge-wise.

Let's try that again without the snark - WHAT CLASS SHOULD CREATIONISM BE TAUGHT AT IN SCHOOLS?
 
dutchmaster said:
I've never understood why god, however that might look, and evolution can't coexist? why is it one of the other?
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They can. Nothing stops someone from getting a public education from going to church and sunday school classes and Bible study.

It's the fact that religious people believe that their beliefs need to be taught in a science class, alongside and as an alternate to science, in a classroom full of people from every background and every persuasion of belief. And of course these people want the Christian creation story told-- the topic goes pretty quiet when you start asking what about Islam or other religions and if they should be taught in the classroom too.

It's all a moot point anyway because a public school teaching one (or any) religion's theology as part of its curriculum would be state sponsorship of a religion, and is inherently against our Constitution. So it's a pipedream and something for them to get angry and worked up about when it's never going to happen and the people supporting creationism aren't very good at directing their energy towards something practical or productive and instead spend most of it being divisive and perpetuating this notion that Christians are oppressed in the United States because they don't have the free hand to push their beliefs and views on everyone in every public venue.
 
^^

That type of attitude with me and others here doesn't deserve anything but a "snarky" reply.


In a million years ... a new car? new type of human being? a flower? a new universe perhaps?

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xbuzzerx said:
I'm new here but I'm yet to see that you are CAPABLE of anything but a snarky reply. You've been asked several questions here and your response is to post a box of rocks. You are very lacking as an advocate of whatever cause you are supporting.
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You might start by reading the entire thread. I've answered the questions given me and been called names.

My opinion and beliefs are not respected by some of the posters. They going to find fault in anything I say.

BTW -- stop trying to be a moderator -- there are paid professionals at JUB CEP that do that 24/7.
 
Jack Springer said:
^^

That type of attitude with me and others here doesn't deserve anything but a "snarky" reply.


In a million years ... a new car? new type of human being? a flower? a new universe perhaps?
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A coward's response, and a pathetic attempt at avoiding a very straightforward question. Refer buzzer's response to this.

What question would a child even ask that you would need to explain... whatever you're mocking here (it's really very unclear)? Do you have any notion of the questions children ask?
 
Jack Springer said:
You might start by reading the entire thread. I've answered the questions given me and been called names.

My opinion and beliefs are not respected by some of the posters. They going to find fault in anything I say.

BTW -- stop trying to be a moderator -- there are paid professionals at JUB CEP that do that 24/7.
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Why don't you stop trying to be Sarah Palin? She's a paid professional too.
 
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Ahhhhh ... now the personal attacks start. Typical liberal.
 
Jack Springer said:
You might start by reading the entire thread. I've answered the questions given me and been called names.

My opinion and beliefs are not respected by some of the posters. They going to find fault in anything I say.

BTW -- stop trying to be a moderator -- there are paid professionals at JUB CEP that do that 24/7.
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Btw, he has an opinion you don't like. He is not trying to be a moderator. Perhaps YOU should stop trying to tell people how to behave.

And you have it in reverse. We don't respect your opinion and beliefs BECAUSE we find fault in a lot of what you say. You have no focus in this thread, you avoid direct answers to questions because you know those would be laughable, and instead you resort to flaccid attempts at sarcasm, which ALSO fail to hit any particular point, thus derailing the thread with blurry irrelevance. Get a grip.
 
Jack Springer said:
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Ahhhhh ... now the personal attacks start. Typical liberal.
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I was only responding in kind to you. Conservatives kill me-- they make racist mockups of the President, or they do things like you have done and make your avatar an upside down American flag with Obama's logo at the bottom, and then claim everyone else just relies on snark and personal attacks.

You really need to take a look in the mirror.
 
Rolyo85 said:
A coward's response, and a pathetic attempt at avoiding a very straightforward question. Refer buzzer's response to this.

What question would a child even ask that you would need to explain... whatever you're mocking here (it's really very unclear)? Do you have any notion of the questions children ask?
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You're calling me a coward? This is political forum man -- it's not a boxing ring or a battlefield.

I answered your questions -- I just didn't answer them the way you wanted.

You got your panties in a wad when you and others couldn't accept the fact that Obama answered the creation question the same way Rubio answered it. Neither man wanted to be put in a corner -- they're politicians.
 
Opi ...clean up on aisle six.... I tried not to keep throwing ketchup packets into the scrum but I couldn't help it... the Christmas season is about forgiving sins right.... RIGHT? :p
 
xbuzzerx said:
And of course these people want the Christian creation story told--
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Except they don't. Young Earth Creationism is no more Christian than is monarchy being the only acceptable form of government. Both those ideas are something that have to be forced in the Bible; they don't come from it.
 
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