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Germany: The Model Economy

The American Prospect article is fair, and accurate in its assessment of German industry, and its abidingly close relationship with the German banking system.

Historically Germany has always been first to recover from economic down turns, followed by France and then the UK. Thus the recent surge in German economic growth is not surprising.

When visiting Germany for work purposes I am always impressed by the simple efficiency of its transport system, and the work ethic that encourages people to support the national endeavour for success. The same work ethic is also noticeable in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

As one who buys German products for my home, such as a Miele kitchen, and Siemen's washing machine I can only speak good things of German consumer goods. Even my shoes are made for me in Germany according to my particular needs.

German puritanism has ensured that over use of the credit card has never become fashionable in Germany. Thus excessive personal debt has never been an item of any consequence for Germans. As one who has never owned a credit card I share this respect for living within ones means. I wish my own government had followed my fine example.
 
Germany as well as a number of other countries have a manufacturing economic policy at it's core to make sure their country has a strong, vibrant, growing, manufacturing sector. America does not. Look at the result.
 
Germany doesn't do casino capitalism. It makes things the world requires.
Very strong growth over the first quarter and set to continue.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,762363,00.html


Why is this?


http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=germanys_economic_engine

Germany's economy grew at 1.5% and you're celebrating? America's GDP grew at 1.8% and I don't remember anyone reputable calling it "very strong growth. " :rolleyes:

Did you not think when you first heard of Germany's growth rate that, "Geesh, that 1.5% seems like a low number"?
 
Germany's economy grew at 1.5% and you're celebrating? America's GDP

Actually, it grew at 5.2% on a year-over-year basis, and German unemployment is down to a seasonally adjusted 6.3% (March 2011) even though it was as high as America's just a few years ago. Additionally, German exports surged at 7.3% to their highest levels ever recorded.


http://www.benzinga.com/11/05/10832...e-continues-as-5-2-gdp-growth-blasts-past-u-s

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds...country:DE&dl=en&hl=en&q=germany+unemployment
 
The first article is LOLz, if only for the "Greece is growing too". Greece may of had positive GDP growth but their debt is growing at a faster rate than GDP still, which any person will say is not a sustainable strategy. There is a reason that the EU is starting to consider doing round 2 for a Greek bailout which won't be played out until next year when Greece's debt is called.

The second article is a very good portrayal of Germany's national economy and their recent industrial resilience. However, national economies are not isolated entities, which the article blatantly ignores. The main thing that will hurt Germany in the long-run is their relationship with the EU. As noted above, Germany is in a particular bind as the location of the ECB. It is no surprise that Germany has been heavily resistant to supporting other country's sovereign debt within the EU. Of course I can peel the myriad of options about what will happen but none really look good.
 
When visiting Germany for work purposes I am always impressed by the simple efficiency of its transport system, and the work ethic that encourages people to support the national endeavour for success. The same work ethic is also noticeable in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

Singapore's unemployment rate is at a 3 year low of 1.9%, and an economy growing at 14.9% for all of 2010 as well as an expected 5% for 2011.

Hong Kong has a very low 3.4% unemployment, and an economy growing at 7.2% for 2011.

As far as Japan, it's really too hard to measure growth given the nuclear / tsunami disaster, until at least 2012.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_662726.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-export-growth/2011/05/13/AFUAO41G_story.html
 
Singapore's unemployment rate is at a 3 year low of 1.9%, and an economy growing at 14.9% for all of 2010 as well as an expected 5% for 2011.

Hong Kong has a very low 3.4% unemployment, and an economy growing at 7.2% for 2011.

As far as Japan, it's really too hard to measure growth given the nuclear / tsunami disaster, until at least 2012.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_662726.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-export-growth/2011/05/13/AFUAO41G_story.html

The Gov't also owns major shares in all the corporations and changes policy to ensure that those guys get all that they want.

Govt merger with corporations is called hyper capitalism, and that flame burns quickly and then dies.
 
The Gov't also owns major shares in all the corporations and changes policy to ensure that those guys get all that they want.

Govt merger with corporations is called hyper capitalism, and that flame burns quickly and then dies.

To what are you specifically referring to? Are you talking about sovereign wealth funds?
 
To what are you specifically referring to? Are you talking about sovereign wealth funds?

This is a rather lengthy essay, but I will post its relevant points and some MAY also apply to the german model....

http://www.thelockeinstitute.org/journals/luminary_v1_n1_p3.html

the Essay is titled Singapore and Authoritarian Capitalism

Acceptance of authoritarian capitalism as a viable and exportable model for development depends upon an understanding that economic and political liberties are not interdependent. However, similar faulty reasoning induced promoters of authoritarian socialism (communism) to overlook its most fatal contradiction. The collapse of communism provides evidence that repression of political freedoms will eventually undermine the activities that support economic growth. While authoritarianism can be consistent with short run economic gains, there are logical and economic limits to these results.

On the economic side, authoritarian capitalism involves the politicization of commerce and the commercialization of politics. Commerce is politicized when the profitability of economic actors depends more heavily upon relationships with the ruling party than the efficient use of scarce resources. Commercial politics describes the actions by ruling parties to develop their own sources of revenues through business transactions to decrease their dependency upon the electorate. These activities are likely to involve privileged, insider access to economic data that benefit the party and also allow party functionaries to enjoy private gains.

Despite the impressions to the contrary, authoritarian capitalist regimes employ extensive, if not always deep, interventions in the economy. Most of them have highly interventionist foreign exchange policies. These are implemented in support of industrial policies that target specific industries as leaders in their export-orientated industrialization (EOI) strategies. Investment funds and subsidies are directed toward selective areas of economic activity and, conversely, are diverted from use in other areas. Many of those countries applying EOI policies tend to be highly dependent upon foreign investment funds or technology or both, as well as access to foreign markets for their exports. This dependency on outsiders is exacerabated by the institutionalized restrictions upon the formations of domestic entrepreneurs to provide an indigenous source of economic growth.

An equally problematic issue relating to Singapore's growth is that it can be explained in large measure by the massive increases in input of labor and capital instead of from increases in efficiency or productivity. Most economists readily recognize that such input-driven growth will be limited by the law of diminishing returns. Following this logic, East Asia's "miracle economies" mirror the early stages of growth in the Soviet Union that obviously proved to be unsustainable. In all events, the necessary sources of increases in productivity are inventiveness and free thinking. Unfortunately, policies under authoritarian capitalism suppresses individualism and intellectual freedom and will greatly impair the formation of entrepreneurs.

The inevitable outcome?

In order to maintain a disciplined and docile electorate, the PAP rulers rely upon a beguiling combination of reason and force. However, their idea of reasoning is limited to an unbalanced insistence upon only the advantages of communitarian arrangements and the necessity of consensus building. Their ability to construct these incomplete images of political utopia is supported by a subservient domestic media and a cowed international media. The passivity of the media results from legislative and judicial actions that operate at the behest of the PAP-controlled executive branch. In sum, the regime exercises obsessive and complete control over all branches of government and media as well as other elements of civil society. In turn, there are few limits to the amount of force that can be wielded as reprisal against critics or political rivals.

Singapore's regime practices a form of "soft authoritarianism" without political murders or disappearances. Nonetheless, executive control over the judiciary and the legislature means that law follows the whims of the regime. One element of the illusion of the legal system is the scrupulous application of justice in cases that involve commerce, particularly when it affects the interests of multinational corporations. The resulting system is one of rule by and for rulers in place of the rule of law. The compliance of the courts leads to "lawless order" and is a conspicuous contradiction of the reputation for Singapore's corruption-free government
 

Some interesting observations from your article:
Fair Use Excerpt said:
Harold Sirkin, lead author of the analysis on manufacturing, expects the convergence to occur "by around 2015."

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"I agree that it's possible that manufacturing will come back, but I don't think it's due to rising costs in China," he said. "I think it's due more to the depreciation of the dollar ... not that wage costs are rising in China and not the U.S."

Given that is looks to me that they are expecting little if any growth at all in average wages over the next 4 or 5 years (at least in manufacturing).

Additionally, it sounds like the dollar will continue to depreciate against other currencies, thus putting upward pressure on prices of commodities like oil.
 
Actually, it grew at 5.2% on a year-over-year basis, and German unemployment is down to a seasonally adjusted 6.3% (March 2011) even though it was as high as America's just a few years ago. Additionally, German exports surged at 7.3% to their highest levels ever recorded.


http://www.benzinga.com/11/05/10832...e-continues-as-5-2-gdp-growth-blasts-past-u-s

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds...country:DE&dl=en&hl=en&q=germany+unemployment

You can't really compare American and German unemployment. Germany provides incentives for the private sector not to fire its employees, but instead to decrease workers' hours, thus masking "free enterprise."

I like this approach. Krugman wrote about this two years ago. This would never fly here in the US.

Lasty, aren't exports a function of other countries' purchasing power? I'm sure we'd sell Mexico water if they really wanted it.
 
This is a rather lengthy essay, but I will post its relevant points and some MAY also apply to the german model....

http://www.thelockeinstitute.org/journals/luminary_v1_n1_p3.html

the Essay is titled Singapore and Authoritarian Capitalism

The inevitable outcome?

LMAO! I love this part "Perhaps they will match their rapid pace of economic development by consigning themselves to the dustbin of history more quickly than was their predecessor..."

That claptrap was written 13 YEARS AGO, and yet look, Singapore and other similar economies have continued to grow. So much so in fact that on a PPP basis Singapore's economy per capita is 20% larger / wealthier than the USA, as the CIA Factbook has the US at $47,400 and Singapore at $57,200. Looks like the Locke Institute got it wrong. Dead wrong.
 
You still cannot compare an open market economy with what is happening in Singapore.

They are two different things entirely.

You are smart enough to know that.
 
Lasty, aren't exports a function of other countries' purchasing power? I'm sure we'd sell Mexico water if they really wanted it.

Regardless of certain rates that you seem to have an issue with, the German export machine and manufacturing system is far different than the USA. They have an entire jobs program related to manufacturing, and a government that stresses jobs.

The US by comparison has adopted a supply side economy. A build it and they shall come philosophy. That if you make some people really rich, they'll invest in the US. Again, given the two countries vast gulf of economic performance, you can't say that America's choice has been the best one over the past 10 years and into the immediate future. *shrug*

America's economy has been on an unsustainable path for a couple of decades, and yet those who were pointing it out just got shouted down by nationalists. The proof as they say, is in the pudding.
 
You still cannot compare an open market economy with what is happening in Singapore.

They are two different things entirely.

You are smart enough to know that.

Whatever dude. Stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LAH LAH LAH LAH LAH". Singapore is far from perfect. I never said it was. But so damned many Americans just blather USA, USA, USA, were #1! Whatever. Here's a few articles pointing out a few things the US could learn a lesson from Singapore.

http://www.air.org/expertise/index/?fa=viewContent&content_id=598

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-14-singapore-transportation_x.htm

http://www.businessinsider.com/singapore-cutting-taxes-again-2011-3

http://dustedoff.blogspot.com/2010/10/what-us-can-learn-from-singapore.html
 
we dont need an authoritarian gov't pushing capitalism to that extent.

I am an unapologetic capitalist, but what you are advocating for is what Cheney and Bush are all about.

A gov't by and for corporations.

This is NOT the democratic version of capitalism and it never will be. Any continued comparisons of the two are just not logical.
 
One major difference I see is that Germans aren't operating on the "I want it now!" attitude shared by American business and labor alike. That engenders an ability to see that everyone prospers better when they prosper together.
 
we dont need an authoritarian gov't pushing capitalism to that extent.

I am an unapologetic capitalist, but what you are advocating for is what Cheney and Bush are all about.

A gov't by and for corporations.

This is NOT the democratic version of capitalism and it never will be. Any continued comparisons of the two are just not logical.

No. You're wrong. Have you been to Singapore in the past few years? Have you spent any time in Germany? Singapore is one of the most open if not most open economy in the world. It's not what you claim it is. Yes, the government wants economic growth. But it also takes care of its citizens. Singapore has 90% home ownership rates. Additionally, the approach to education the US could certainly learn from. Can everything Singapore does be applied wholesale to the US? Of course not. But you have a blind spot a mile wide on this issue for some reason.

http://www.asiaone.com/Business/News/My+Money/Story/A1Story20100201-195831.html
 
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