Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

[HenryReardon]

Then some people might have the courage to elect some Greens, and a few actual Libertarians.

Better yet, we might send some more members of the Tea Party to DC next time. Preferably a group of them with the balls to do what they were sent there to do: cut taxes and reduce the size and scope of government. The Tea Party is the last best hope of America.

 

[Rolyo85]

If there were more than three people in the Tea Party with actual understanding of how politics work, and not just how to fire people up with empty slogans, maybe it would be more effective in doing anything beside derailing the political process. It's over anyway. It's a has-been part of the GOP.

 

[HenryReardon]

If there were more than three people in the Tea Party with actual understanding of how politics work, and not just how to fire people up with empty slogans, maybe it would be more effective in doing anything beside derailing the political process. It's over anyway. It's a has-been part of the GOP.

Ignorance is such an ugly thing, especially when it's willful liberal ignorance of facts on the table.
But as someone once said, 'the human mind is capable of infinite self-deception'.

 

[HenryReardon]

Better than stupidity, which can't be helped.

And the further left one looks the more rampant the stupidity.

 

[JayHawk]

Intransigence is the least desirable trait in government when it comes to fiscal matters.

You cannot create a long term fiscal deal when, above all other factors of opposition, the majority party in the House has been cloven in two, forgetting the fact that the GOP does not control the Senate or the White House. Oh, and those Democrats were elected too.

It's because of thinkers like you that we are in the mess we have now.

This is re-posted for truth.

The teaparty has single handed rendered the republican party irrelevant.

 

[Kulindahr]

Better yet, we might send some more members of the Tea Party to DC next time. Preferably a group of them with the balls to do what they were sent there to do: cut taxes and reduce the size and scope of government. The Tea Party is the last best hope of America.

Only if you think that driving over the cliff is the best way to the valley.

 

[HenryReardon]

The teaparty has single handed rendered the republican party irrelevant.

And that's a very good thing. Perhaps in 2014 the Tea Party can replace even more of thos irrelevant Republicans with legislators who will have the balls to sand up to our dictator-in-chief.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is re-posted for truth.

The teaparty has single handed rendered the republican party irrelevant.

And thereby neutered Congress.

 

[Rolyo85]

And that's a very good thing. Perhaps in 2014 the Tea Party can replace even more of thos irrelevant Republicans with legislators who will have the balls to sand up to our dictator-in-chief.

You mean the tea party that loses seats left and right and whose own members are now running as "independents" so as not to be connected to it? I am sure it will WIN EVERYTHING!!! in 2014, yes

 

[HenryReardon]

You mean the tea party that loses seats left and right and whose own members are now running as "independents" so as not to be connected to it? I :

I mean those 'tea party' candidates who were sent to DC to do a specific job and who immediately got sucked into the inherent corruption of that city and forgot the people who elected them.

 

[JayHawk]

And that's a very good thing. Perhaps in 2014 the Tea Party can replace even more of thos irrelevant Republicans with legislators who will have the balls to sand up to our dictator-in-chief.

I doubt it. Folks who support racism, homophobia, failed government, failed legislatures and other such horrific ideas will go back into the wilderness of insignificance. I really did want them to take control of the republican party so that the party could ensure it was irrelevant for another ten years. Unfortunately you appear to endorse their mentally deficit policy stances.

 

[maxpowr9]

Libertarianism: the initial ideology that the Tea Party was based on, was hijacked by the conservatives and added their beliefs to them and essentially corrupted them. That happened about 6 months after the 2010 election. You can't be anti-gay or anti-choice [I hate using "pro-life"] and a libertarian.

The major problem with libertarianism is that in order to be effective at the federal level, they would have to be apart of something they hate: government intervention which both major parties love for different reasons.

 

[JayHawk]

I dunno if it was six months after. I also doubt sincerely that MANY of these folks had deep TP roots. This ideology sprang up in 2006. Not too many folks can establish themselves for national office in four years. I think most of the TP heroes were on the bandwagon. Then no neck Mcconnell said we oppose it all and that will win... and they did. that was their failure. Had they compromised and worked things towards their ideas they would have made so much more progress on cutting spending. They announced they would align themselves with republicans... actually at that point they thought they would take over the party. Unfortunately they learned the house has rules including seniority. You play by the rules or you get your dick squashed.

 

[HenryReardon]

I doubt it. Folks who support racism, homophobia, failed government, failed legislatures and other such horrific ideas will go back into the wilderness of insignificance. I really did want them to take control of the republican party so that the party could ensure it was irrelevant for another ten years. Unfortunately you appear to endorse their mentally deficit policy stances.

When did the tea party argue in favor of either racism or homophobia. The fight was about taxes and limiting goverment.

 

[Rolyo85]

When did the tea party argue in favor of either racism or homophobia. The fight was about taxes and limiting goverment.

Um, when they were racists and homophobes. We got the single most racist and homophobic Republican party platform in living memory. I didn't hear TPers opposing it. They are all for "Biblical values" after all, and there is no room for us homos in those.

 

[mightbe]

Rolyo, remember who you're talking to. He says that we already have equal rights: we all have the right to marry a woman. For him, there never was a fight for equal rights, just progressive whining. The Teabaggers are on the right track in Reardon's world: complete ignorance of civil rights. It's 100% taxes. After all, why should government be at all concerned with its citizens' well-being? and all that shit he spreads.

Don't feed the troll.

 

[chance1]

in today's NY Post - the impact of the Fiscal Cliff on individuals and married couples

I hope a certain moderator will allow this post to stand as is - he might think it's not opinionated enough - how ironic

looks like it's a big mother fucking hit

so that extra tax $ will probably be money which will be reallocated from savings and consumption to into the govt.'s pockets - and we all know how good they do with our money

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/see_how_the_fiscal_cliff_will_affect_FxsYLSD8iVGmG4mbfcopON

 

[JayHawk]

That is just the money Uncle Sam needs to pstart paying some of these overdue water bills... maybe we can get the lights turned back on....

honestly the thing that bothers me is the debt ceiling portion.

How the fuck does the treasury say a month ago that we should hit the ceiling sometime in Feb and then this week all of a sudden decide we are out of money... Something smells funny and it aint Chances ironical posting.

Geithner: U.S. to hit debt ceiling on Monday

Geithner has predicted for months that the country would hit the debt ceiling by the end of December.

is what this article says but the Republicans have been referring to Feb for when they can hold America's credit rating and markets hostage to spending cuts.

Now I believe the proper way to reduce the debt ceiling is to legislate spending less money. Not to default on money we already borrowed. Sheer lunacy. Yet I also wonder what kind of land of make believe republicans have been living in if they keep saying and thinking the ceiling is met in Feb vice Dec......


AHHHHH now I get it.... lol

The country is expected to reach its borrowing limit by the end of the month. The Treasury Department has tools at its disposal to stave off a default until sometime in mid-February or early March, according to a recent report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. If lawmakers don’t raise the ceiling by then, economists expect the recovery will be derailed and the country will endure its first major default since the Great Depression. It “would be a bigger shock than going over the cliff,” the co-head of Global Economics Research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch wrote in a recent analyst note.

From the National Journal of all places. Wow if they are lambasting the republicans for playing with the debt ceiling then mood has finally shifted.

Still we will continually meet a debt ceiling unless we start raising revenue.

When Mitt Romney pays 14% and I pay 28% there is something wrong with America.

 

[Jack Springer]

If the Senate would have passed a budget in the past 3-4 years we would not be in this mess.

Harry Reid is the problem ... and Obama can't see beyond collecting more taxes.

 

[rareboy]

^ Oh this is pure nonsense and you know it.