Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

[Benvolio]

Agreed. We need costs reductions in national security and the U.S. military. Those who should be paying more taxes should begin at $75,000. No reductions with Social Security benefits. No raising of the age for qualifying for Social Security.

I vote to cut TSA for sure. When i go to the airport in the midwest, virtually all local people, we get the full treatment: xray, and they look under my wrist watch!! When I return from Miami or LA, many foreign, its just the old metal detector. What a waste and aggravation.

 

[xbuzzerx]

u don't get Jack

clearly

You didn't answer the question.

 

[JayHawk]

Clearly u can count better than President Deficit

Ahhh .. you can always tell when the argument fails = the cutesy cute names come out...

I vote to cut TSA for sure. When i go to the airport in the midwest, virtually all local people, we get the full treatment: xray, and they look under my wrist watch!! When I return from Miami or LA, many foreign, its just the old metal detector. What a waste and aggravation.

Most TSA procedures have to do with volume and profiling of a variety of methods regardless of whether they admit it or not....


That said we do need to cut DHS.... just consider that EVERY police department in the nation gets money from DHS.... Arguably it should be a Presidential appointee directed department that enforces laws as that is one of his constitutional duties. However after 9/11 it has exploded way out of control... when DHS is funding drones for departments we have slipped through the looking glass.

Still ALL of this is the result of a do nothing congress rooted in a hapless and inefficient House that has no form of leadership to speak of in any terms other than pathetic.

Consider that besides taxes we get unemployment cuts, 1.2 trillion in across the board cuts and no farm bill so the Dairy Cliff...lol.. that title dairy cliff would be amusing if it wasn't such a sad reminder of ineffective dolts in the House.

Obama has come more than halfway and Boehner couldn't get a majority of the majority just to send it to the floor. THAT is the bottom line.

I predict they will now pass a continued tax break for those under 400k and in return unemployment benefits will not lapse for two million. That and the Senate passed bill that has been floundering in the house since well before the election will be passed at the last possible moment... disgraceful.

 

[maxpowr9]

Congress voted themselves a raise last week for their ineptitude. I say we go over the cliff and make them pay more.

 

[JayHawk]

To be fair Congress voted a wage increase that EVERYONE on the public dime gets. And the President instituted a freeze on those raises across the board claiming not to allow another raise until the private sector recovers.... or rather by stating that the government should not get raises while the public who pays their check are not getting raises.

Well Obama lifted that or it would not have occurred. I will bet you that is some of the closed door decisions made by those vultures.

 

[chance1]

You didn't answer the question.

your context of black and socialist isn't worth answering

 

[chance1]

Ahhh .. you can always tell when the argument fails = the cutesy cute names come out...

when you think of the one thing Obama has done to show that his presidency has been on balance a failure

DEFICIT comes to mind

he's an expert at it

so it's not cute - just apt

 

[chance1]

Senator Bob Corker (R) Tennessee says a deal will be struck and predicts it at $500K

which means the faux $250K = rich will be kaboshed

"We're going to deal with this tax issue," he continued. "We're going to deal with it either before midnight tomorrow or in the next couple of weeks, but nobody in the country - 99%, 98% of the people in the country should not be worried about revenues. But what they should be worried about is we still haven't tackled the issue of fiscal solvency."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ill-pass-predicts-500000-threshold/?hpt=po_c2

 

[JayHawk]

when you think of the one thing Obama has done to show that his presidency has been on balance a failure

DEFICIT comes to mind

he's an expert at it

so it's not cute - just apt

So since the deficit handed him was bigger what is your name for Bush?

BTW before you spin it out of control that is just a question not aligning the current issues with Bush so please don't get confused.

Had republicans came to the table willingly we would have decreased the deficit much more so over the last four years but it took years of legislative losses and maneuvering to bend them over a barrel and get them to actually come up with solutions.

Finally, what does Chance suggest would be the proper course for recovering from a massive recession? NO spending and allowing the country to careen into a deep depression?

It is simply a moniker devoid of reality. But that is on par with your republican lackies. They have been devoid of reality for going on 15 years now.

 

[JayHawk]

Senator Bob Corker (R) Tennessee says a deal will be struck and predicts it at $500K

which means the faux $250K = rich will be kaboshed



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ill-pass-predicts-500000-threshold/?hpt=po_c2

No that simply means taxes go up on those above 500k, they will simply not take the cuts they planned and unemployment insurance remains in effect for two million.... essentially they are kicking the can down the road. Doing literally nothing to address the issue at hand.

 

[chance1]

So since the deficit handed him was bigger what is your name for Bush?

BTW before you spin it out of control that is just a question not aligning the current issues with Bush so please don't get confused.

Had republicans came to the table willingly we would have decreased the deficit much more so over the last four years but it took years of legislative losses and maneuvering to bend them over a barrel and get them to actually come up with solutions.

Finally, what does Chance suggest would be the proper course for recovering from a massive recession? NO spending and allowing the country to careen into a deep depression?

It is simply a moniker devoid of reality. But that is on par with your republican lackies. They have been devoid of reality for going on 15 years now.

Bush gave him a deficit and Obama said "I'll give u a REAL deficit" - google it - he's exploded it

hence President Deficit

even now he's not concerned about the budget deficit - only about tax rates ...... cause HE PROMISED

"we'll deal with the deficit later"

we'll deal with the deficit after he leaves office is my guess

stimulus money should be used to RETRAIN people from skills/jobs that are no longer required into those that fit our new economy

and it shouldn't be shepherded by the likes of reid and pelosi who put the president on mute

he's too busy for the details

as for republicans coming to the table ........... be serious - the house has submitted proposals - for a long time now - just not the kind that democrats want - they'd rather demagogue them

 

[bankside]

Obama is paying Bush's tab.

Bush started two costly wars with no plan to ever pay for them. He was a financial moron. If Obama has balanced the budget on Day 1, you would be living through a bottomless Depression right now instead of a tough recession.

 

[JB3]

Obama is paying Bush's tab.

Bush started two costly wars with no plan to ever pay for them. He was a financial moron. If Obama has balanced the budget on Day 1, you would be living through a bottomless Depression right now instead of a tough recession.

Bush's tab and he has a rather large tab of his own as well.

 

[JayHawk]

as for republicans coming to the table ........... be serious - the house has submitted proposals - for a long time now - just not the kind that democrats want - they'd rather demagogue them

Really so go ahead and tell us which republican proposal you would like to accept? The one where seniors pay for the doubled defense budget or the one where they privatize social security... all of these were debated when they proposed them. If you don't remember republicans refused to do one single thing that is still evading them... they refuse to actually collect money in the form of taxes to pay for the financial decisions they made. And then they convince morons that democrats are the ones spending. it is comical.

Show me the republican plan to balance the deficit with tax revenue included and I will agree they offered a viable plan. Conservatives and liberals got together and offered a bi-partisan approach that was not taken up for a vote because it failed a super-majority based off of ALL the republicans voting against it.

face it chance republicans wanna be in the wilderness out of power and still protect the rich, corporation and the defense industry. nothing else has importance. it is pure ignorance.

 

[JayHawk]

Bush's tab and he has a rather large tab of his own as well.

Ok so same goes for you as for chance... go ahead and give your plan other than government spending for recovery from a recession. We'll wait.

 

[Sausy]

Even if we get a deal it will still be only a drop in the bucket for the national debt overall. It still will grow, it's still a ticking time bomb. If we can't even do a partial solution without all the crap, how are we going to deal with permanent structural reform?

 

[JayHawk]

That is why i hope democrats hold and we go over the cliff. Otherwise it is simply kicking the can down the road

 

[chance1]

That is why i hope democrats hold and we go over the cliff. Otherwise it is simply kicking the can down the road

they're not mutually exclusive

doing a s/t $250k or 400K or 500k deal now doesn't meant the other doesn't happen

plus it would be put people's minds at ease as it relates to their s/t paycheck

 

[chance1]

^ what is "absolute" agreement ?

 

[Sausy]

I agree we should pass what we can to minimize any damage from not coming to an overall agreement. I still think 1 million should be the benchmark, not $250,000 or even $500,000. Revenue fairness isn't going to bring in such a big gusher of money to make much of a difference on the debt or deficit. Republicans have to accept though bringing in more revenue through tax loophole closures and even marginal rate changes. Defense also has to be substantially reformed...not gutted but serious savings have to come from the budget. Same goes for Democratic pet programs... we have to slow growth and prioritize and truly reform how our services are delivered. Nobody on the right or left will be thrilled but we cannot allow ideologues to harm our future any more.