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Glee! [merged]

Re: Glee is offensive

The show is exaggerated to point out the clique-riddled societies that exist in high schools and how glee club brings all of those different people together. It's not supposed to be realistic. If you notice, they make fun of EVERYONE. It's equal opportunity. It can get away with it the same way that South Park does. It doesn't favor anyone.
 
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JNewYork said:
3.) In an episode some time back, Mr. Shue went out of his way to dodge the flaky teacher who was obsessed with Josh Groban. He didn't want him to play in his singing group because he was flaky. This is counter to the "be kind to the underdog" nature of the show. Isn't Shue supposed to be FOR the underdog?
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I stopped watching it, but still saw that one .. he dodged this guy because he was fired for inappropriately touching a student ..
 
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>>>Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.

They did in my high school.

Lex
 
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JNewYork said:
I just think that I would buy the satire defense more if they portrayed Mr. Shue or Quinn as gay in addition to the caricature. With just the caricature, I don't feel it's satire.
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But that's exactly what satire is. The point of satire is to reveal an essential truth through caricature and exaggerated humor. If you flesh something out or make it less caricatured, then it's...not satire.

I don't think Glee is offensive but I do think it's often unfunny, and that's where it's intended satire fails. Satire is supposed to be witty and humorous and Glee is rarely ever that.
 
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It seems you might have been a fan of "socialist realism" from the Soviet past: happy dancing maidens bringing in the harvest, happy tractor drivers, happy factory workers praising the glorious achievments of the perfect society, etc. People found this rather boring.
 
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OP, you fit the stereotypes of gay guys getting offended by every little thing, and it offends me...

...yeah, it doesn't really offend me, but geez, I get tired of these guys that have to find every little thing offensive in some way.
 
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Besides, raging queen stereotype or not, Kurt is the funniest character on the show.
 
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I just think that it's easy to use satire as an excuse to degrade gay people. If anybody complains, as I have, then they get told that they're just "missing the satire."

Sorry if I'm being annoying by being offended. I'm just tired of gay men's representation in the media to always be weak, effeminate, girly, flamboyant.

If we're not being portrayed that way in Will and Grace, we're being portrayed that way as "satire" in Glee.

Where is the ONE gay man character on TV who is a strong, MASCULINE, well adjusted dude? There isn't one. Not one.

And to not have ONE character like that on TV is offensive in itself, but when we gays ARE being portrayed, and the portrayal is this over the top girly gay--all under the guise of satire--then it's even more offensive.

But I know, I can't complain, because it's just "satire."
 
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is the characters last name- i represent all gay men on the planet?
 
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I don't find Glee offensive at all, most of them have a message some where it's just YOUR job to find them.
 
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MawellEvans said:
is the characters last name- i represent all gay men on the planet?
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The implication is there, yes.

Re: Keith of Six Feet Under. Good example. So there is one after all. Who knows, there may be others. But by far the rule, not the exception, is to portray gay men as weak, effeminate, flamboyant caricatures.

And it's offensive, whether it's "satire" or not.
 
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G-Lexington said:
>>>Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.

They did in my high school.

Lex
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Hehe They did in my high school, too.

JNew York, please lighten up a little bit. What you say may be right, but we are dealing with a small group of people here and they just have a "type" of character on display. Like the gay guy. Why not have a gay guy that is not the least bit feminine? Answer, they only come on once a week and have only a few episodes in a season to generate characters. The wheelchair guy is the same thing. As for Shu being for the underdog, even the best of people are still "human" and do stray. It is an hour of fun, lite comedy/drama, and song.
 
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Good points, Grantt. And great pic under your name. Is that you? Damn. If not, you have good taste.
 
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It sarcasm...plus shows the stereotypes out there..& even how some people really are...Glee hidden messages..I love this show...
 
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Andrew from Desperate Housewives is pretty masculine looking and comfortable with himself. Even if he is an asshole for at least the first two seasons.

kinski said:
Andrew and Bob on Desperate Housewives.
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Oh damn. Beat me to it. :D
 
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I'm curious as to what "essential truth" the satire is speaking of.
 
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blacksyringe, you and I are in complete agreement. I don't fault Glee for being "offensive", I fault it for being plot-driven, obvious, badly directed and often unfunny.

JNewYork, I know what you're trying to say, but far more offensive than anything in Glee is the implication in your statements that masculine gay men = good, while effeminate gay men = bad. I'm actually surprised no one else in this thread has pointed that out. Hopefully you didn't mean that the way it sounded.
 
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