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[Hellax24]

Uh what, Kurt didn't out him? Blaine and Kurt tried to talk with Karofsky but he shot them down.

He outed him to Blaine. Just because it was to someone who is also gay doesn't diminish that fact. Kurt walking Blaine onto campus to confront him was bullshit. It was done poorly.

CXXX

 

[NineOfClubs]

He outed him to Blaine. Just because it was to someone who is also gay doesn't diminish that fact. Kurt walking Blaine onto campus to confront him was bullshit. It was done poorly.

CXXX

Puh-Leeese.

Are you serious?

The guy's family doesn't know, and no one in the school knows...

What kind of problems do you have, personally, I'm wondering?

 

[Callum]

Re: Glee targets gay bullying

It boggles my mind that people are complaining about this character getting too much story time. Yes, I would like to see more of the others, and this season has been hit or miss so far, but the one thing they're doing well is unfolding Kurt's story. It's amazing to see this kind of working being done on a show like this, and Chris C. is doing some incredible work as well.

Because this show has an ensemble cast. With Quinn, numerous characters were connected to that arc. The shoe fit because everyone placed their foot in it at one point or another.

The second time around...it's about Kurt. Unless they're going to tie in all of the characters at one point or another to Kurt's sexuality...I don't see this season having any sort of direction aside from "let's get to nationals"...and we've heard about that once or twice. And his 'woe is me' act is annoying as fuck. Let's have Blaine be the token gay please.

 

[heroesnhunks]

Re: Glee targets gay bullying

i LOVED the episode. They really are trying to keep us guessing about Kurt's new BF. Not that I can see Kurt actually dating his self-loathing homophobic bully (I think he was being ernest when he said the beefy meathead wasn't "his type"). I was hoping Kurt would get his first kiss... but not like that. Was a bit of a violation. I hope Kurt gets a kiss ten times as sweet as Ms. Biest did (and from someone who loves him) sometime soon.

Unless/until they give mr I-hate-myself-so-much-that-I'll-bash-the-gay-boy-who-dares-to-be-himself a chance to accept himself and walk through the halls hand in hand with Kurt (which is kinda where 90210 is already going so I hope that's not the plan - I've had enough self-loathing for a while after 4 weeks of Teddy Montgomery clips) I hope Blaine will be Kurt's suitor.

The producers KNOW it's an ensemble cast - this arc is timely as has been said. The nation and a whole generation of LGBT youth need this. So they moved it up. I think whats happening with artie/brittany, artie/mike/tina, santanna/brittany, santanna/puck, mr schuster/emma/dentist and sam/quinn is more than enough drama. It's not the Kurt show. But I like his arc best. As someone grown who went thru my own (altho less traumatic - I'd identify more with Blaine as i fled to private school and found refuge) adjustment - i feel for those struggling and am glad to see any positive role model for todays youth - and I feel Kurt's journey just might help.

 

[StlKj]

Re: Glee targets gay bullying

Agree that a major problem is we don't have an over-arcing storyline; hell, we haven't even seen much focus on any tiny arcs this season. It is seriously lacking direction, as though we're just cooling our heels until the team can win Regionals again--and we haven't even see them ramp up to do that.

As far as Kurt's whining--does he get on my nerves at times? His haughtiness does more than anything. His angst is palpable and very true to life for many young gay boys/men. This character is an amazing addition to the landscape of television, and considering that we are sorely lacking in major gay characters anywhere on American television, I'm willing to cut the show some slack for focusing on one of the strongest characters it currently has going for it.

Now we need to see some promised Mercedes love. I thought there was talk before the season began that she'd have a possible love interest as well.

 

[cashierjim]

Glee: Kurt's first kiss with...

Spoiler alert: If you don't want to know what happened on Glee tonight, skip ahead...
























I'm sure I'll get grief for posting this in the "Daddies, Bears, Chasers, etc." forum, but even before tonight's episode I've had my eye on Glee character "Dave Karofsky", played by Max Adler:

If he looks that hot in high school, imagine what he'll look like in a few years! Kurt had a line in the show about how sweaty he was, and that he'd be bald by the time he turned 30... Bring it on! Was anyone else as pleasantly surprised by tonight's episode as I was?

 

[NineOfClubs]

Re: Glee: Kurt's first kiss with...

Kurt called him "ham hock".

Loved that!

 

[Swifty]

Re: Glee targets gay bullying

Agree that a major problem is that we don't have an over-arcing storyline; hell, we haven't even seen much focus on any tiny arcs this season. It is seriously lacking direction, as though we're just cooling our heels until the team can win Regionals again--and we haven't even see them ramp up to do that.

As far as Kurt's whining--does he get on my nerves at times? His haughtiness does more than anything. His angst is palpable and very true to life for many young gay boys/men. This character is an amazing addition to the landscape of television, and considering that we are sorely lacking in major gay characters anywhere on American television, I'm willing to cut the show some slack for focusing on one of the strongest characters it currently has going for it.

Now we need to see some promised Mercedes love. I thought there was talk before the season began that she'd have a possible love interest as well.

Her Jazz club BF is meant to come in during the second part of the series.

 

[Hellax24]

Puh-Leeese.

Are you serious?

The guy's family doesn't know, and no one in the school knows...

What kind of problems do you have, personally, I'm wondering?

None actually. It only takes one person to spread the word. Then the guy is jumping off a bridge.

I'd say Karofsky outted himself when he kissed Kurt. He took a huge risk, and anyone could have overheard their conversation or walked in at that exact moment and caught them. If he didn't want anyone to know he didn't do a very good job of keeping the secret himself.

So he demonstrated to Kurt that he has these feelings that apparently he is struggling with and is definitely not ready to be known as anything other then str8 Then the one person that knows goes and tells someone else, who then knows and can then go and tell others. That's outing. Kurt could have talked to Blaine without mentioning names and asked how to approach this guy and make him feel more comfortable about the idea of being something other then str8. For all we know the guy could be Bi. He had no right to tell anyone.

There is a difference between would've, could've and should've. What was given to us was the message that it's ok to out people. What your proposing didn't happen so it's irrelevant. I remember a few episodes back when Kurt's father talked to him about people not being of the same mind as he is and you can't force people to see things the way he does. I guess he didn't get the message. Everyone has their own journey and it's up to them to decide who knows what their sexual orientation is, it's not up to Kurt to decide. The guy is a douche but I'm sure their more then a few guys on this site that was the jock in high school.



Now, exactly who outed you two?

CXXX

 

[heroesnhunks]

Re: Glee: Kurt's first kiss with...

You think "ham hock" will get over his self loathing? Even if he did, the kind of character who could brutalize someone just to make themselves feel better... makes him 10x less attractive. Writers will have to SIGNIFICANTLY redeem him if he's to be a contender as Kurt's potential BF. Blaine would just have to express an interest. Dave would need to publicly come out, apologize AND exhibit SOMETHING in common with Kurt. Do they seem to have a lot of similar interests?

nothing against the type - the character just pissed me off... bad enough beating on Kurt - then kissing him like that was an even WORSE violation. Kurt wanted a kiss from someone who loves him.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Did it myself.

But, so far, that guy isn't out. Kurt is showing great restraint in not broadcasting "the kiss' incident all over the high school.

 

[StlKj]

Re: Glee targets gay bullying

Excellent. Thanks, Swifty. They need to do right by her.

 

[Hellax24]

Did it myself.

But, so far, that guy isn't out. Kurt is showing great restraint in not broadcasting "the kiss' incident all over the high school.

So you were out in High School? Was it the same as Kurt?

CXXX

 

[StlKj]

Can we show a little more tact please in the whole "outing = jumping off a bridge" talk, considering the person who jumped was a member of this board? And we don't know definitively that it was because he was outed, so drawing parallels here is sloppy.

Did Kurt need to tell Blaine? Perhaps not, but he told another gay person from an entirely different school; he did not broadcast it in his own school to people who have perhaps also been the targets of the prick bully. When you torment others, mentally and physically, for your own self-loathing, I'm of the mind you forfeit some of the consideration that might be given to a person who treats others kindly and is just quietly in the closet. That he wasn't outed by Kurt to the school shows Kurt's maturity, and perhaps more consideration than the bully deserved, quite frankly.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Thanks, Killjoke, well put.

Considering how Kurt was treated, he's been very restrained in his response to the bullying he's received.

You know he could be on Hamhock's front lawn screaming for another kiss, or something like that...

 

[RyanZZZZ]

Can anyone explain the Artie/Puck "handshake" thing. Everyone I was watching with thought I was an idiot for not getting it. They were laughing because I didn't understand it. I have never seen anyone do anythng like that before and I really am not sure what they were doing.

 

[Hellax24]

Can we show a little more tact please in the whole "outing = jumping off a bridge" talk, considering the person who jumped was a member of this board? And we don't know definitively that it was because he was outed, so drawing parallels here is sloppy.

Did Kurt need to tell Blaine? Perhaps not, but he told another gay person from an entirely different school; he did not broadcast it in his own school to people who have perhaps also been the targets of the prick bully. When you torment others, mentally and physically, for your own self-loathing, I'm of the mind you forfeit some of the consideration that might be given to a person who treats others kindly and is just quietly in the closet. That he wasn't outed by Kurt to the school shows Kurt's maturity, and perhaps more consideration than the bully deserved, quite frankly.

HHMMM.....It was an example as any other of the 8 suicides would be in the correct situation.

Outing is outing. Kurt told a stranger to the guy which would send anyone in the closet in panic mode. He is apparently has so much fear that he turns it inward and then becomes self loathing. He's still a kid not an adult some considerations can be made. When he's thirty and still doing the same thing then maybe he needs to be crucified. or 50.

If you meet someone tomorrow who is gay and told you he was that jock bully in High School would you accept him for who he is today or not want to have anything to do with him because of his adolescent behavior?

CXXX

 

[StlKj]

HHMMM.....It was an example as any other of the 8 suicides would be in the correct situation. Wow--great show of consideration and tact here.

Outing is outing. Kurt told a stranger to the guy which would send anyone in the closet in panic mode. He is apparently has so much fear that he turns it inward and then becomes self loathing. He's still a kid not an adult some considerations can be made. When he's thirty and still doing the same thing then maybe he needs to be crucified. or 50. Violent, bullying and forcing yourself on others--you lose some of the basic consideration you aren't willing to give anyone else. His actions could just as easily lead Kurt or someone else to commit suicide. He needed to be stopped.

If you meet someone tomorrow who is gay and told you he was that jock bully in High School would you accept him for who he is today or not want to have anything to do with him because of his adolescent behavior? If a person has given up his past behavior and is now trying to live a life free of bullying and violence, then yes, one should be given a chance to prove himself as not being a dick anymore. That's not what happened here, though.

CXXX

 

[Hellax24]

HHMMM.....It was an example as any other of the 8 suicides would be in the correct situation. Wow--great show of consideration and tact here.

Outing is outing. Kurt told a stranger to the guy which would send anyone in the closet in panic mode. He is apparently has so much fear that he turns it inward and then becomes self loathing. He's still a kid not an adult some considerations can be made. When he's thirty and still doing the same thing then maybe he needs to be crucified. or 50. Violent, bullying and forcing yourself on others--you lose some of the basic consideration you aren't willing to give anyone else. His actions could just as easily lead Kurt or someone else to commit suicide. He needed to be stopped.

If you meet someone tomorrow who is gay and told you he was that jock bully in High School would you accept him for who he is today or not want to have anything to do with him because of his adolescent behavior? If a person has given up his past behavior and is now trying to live a life free of bullying and violence, then yes, one should be given a chance to prove himself as not being a dick anymore. That's not what happened here, though.

CXXX

Dude, really?

If you want to have a discussion then you need to discuss the unpleasant parts as well as the other points. I'm sorry that you were bullied in High School and this is a sore subject for you. However, the GLBT community comes in various shades and is not black and white. You condoning Kurt's outing of a student shows your lack of insight.

Last season people complained about how Kurt was throwing himself on Finn and how negative that was to portray a gay character PUSHING himself on a str8 guy.Many people were put off by Kurt with good reason. He wasn't respecting Finn's boundaries and would not take a hint that Finn would never be into him. Kurt learned the hard way that you cannot make people love you that are not orientated a different way. It's a part of growing and finding out who you are and accepting not only yourselves and others. Well, you would think he did.

I'm sure Perez would be proud that you advocate outing. I'm not a fan of it. Karma is a bitch and the jock will pay for it just not in the way you may want. I do suggest you exercise your demons about high school.

Oh, I see you read my first post about the Jock violating Kurt with that kiss.

CXXX

 

[NineOfClubs]

CXXX

You need to chill.

What you say is questionable.

You're taking an extreme stand, and most of us see it as a bit too out there.

Come on, defending an abuser....

Really......