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Global warming debunked, again.

Reid Bryson, considered the father of scientific climatology, says man made global warming is hooey. He concludes the earth is getting warmer and has been for 300 years as we've been coming out of "The Little Ice Age." Dr. Bryson is a well educated man with impeccable credentials. Maybe some of the lefty kooks around here might try to accept the fact that there is legitimate doubt as to the cause of the Earth's warming and stop worshipping at the altar of that idiot, Gore.

http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/topstories/197613

Compare and contrast:

Tuesday, June 19, 2007

UW emeritus prof outlives his expertise and finds himself stranded on the far side of a paradigm shift




It was with very mixed emotions that I read the Cap Times front page story about 87-year-old UW emeritus professor Reid Bryson's adamant opposition to the idea that human CO2 production causes global warming.
Reid Bryson, known as the father of scientific climatology, considers global warming a bunch of hooey.​

The UW-Madison professor emeritus, who stands against the scientific consensus on this issue, is referred to as a global warming skeptic. But he is not skeptical that global warming exists, he is just doubtful that humans are the cause of it.​
Bryson seemed to absolutely revel in the opportunity to feed outrageous quotes to CT report Samara Kalk Derby.
Bryson didn't see Al Gore's movie about global warming, "An Inconvenient Truth."​

"Don't make me throw up," he said. "It is not science. It is not true."​
Bryson is one of the few people expounding such pigheaded nonsense I would even listen to, and that's because I remember him as a brilliant scientist who was also a natural, gifted teacher, one who enjoyed teaching undergrads as much as graduate students. He taught an earth sciences survey course I took at the UW years ago, and it's one of my fondest memories. He was a poet of climate, a lyricist of weather, a mesmerizing lecturer about climate's impact on humans and vice versa.

As the article notes, he was one of the founders of modern climatology. His pioneering, interdisciplinary studies of tree rings and pollen samples proved that climate could change in less than a century and helped overthrow the old orthodoxy that it could only change over millenia, laying the groundwork for later generations of climate researchers to make the real breakthroughs on global warming. He notes that some of the proponents of global warming are students of his students. Maybe that's the problem.

Growing old is a long, usually losing struggle against the natural tendency to become an irrelevant old coot, hopefully a lovable old coot, but definitely irrelevant in a rapidly changing changing world where the certainties of one's youth and the experience of a lifetime become an ever less reliable guide to the present day.

Nowhere is this more poignant than in the field of science, where even the most brilliant minds -- especially the most brilliant minds -- can be led astray by their own accumulated experience in the face of the relentless advance of knowledge and the paradigm shifts that accompany that advance. For example, the theory of continental drift was hardly adopted overnight in a sudden surge of insight. Far from it. It became the dominant paradigm over time, as its opponents became increasingly irrelevant emeriti and then left the field altogether, due to death or infirmity.



Physics Today had a good article several years ago summarizing the stages in the climate change paradigm shift that took place gradually over the course of decades and which wasn't completed until Greenland ice core samples provided irrefutable proof in the early nineties. As the article notes, Bryson played a significant role 40 years ago in laying the groundwork.
At the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Reid Bryson scrutinized entirely different types of data. In the late 1950s, he had been struck by the wide variability of climates as recorded in the varying width of tree rings. He was also familiar with the dishpan experiments that showed how a circulation pattern might change almost instantaneously. To take a new, interdisciplinary look at climate, Bryson brought together a group that even included an anthropologist who studied the ancient Native American cultures of the Midwest. From radiocarbon-dated bones and pollen, they deduced that a prodigious drought had struck the region in the 1200s--the very period when flourishing towns of the Mound Builders had gone into decline. Compared to that drought, the Dust Bowl of the 1930s had been mild and temporary. By the mid-1960s, Bryson was announcing that "climatic changes do not come about by slow, gradual change, but rather by apparently discrete 'jumps' from one atmospheric circulation regime to another."8 His group further reported pollen studies showing a rapid shift around 10 500 years ago; by "rapid" they meant a change in the mix of tree species within less than a century.​
But that was 40 years ago. Here's a typical reaction of one of his colleague at the UW today, according to the Cap Times:
"My views are very similar to those expressed by I.P.C.C.," said Steve Vavrus, an associate scientist at the UW-Madison Center for Climatic Research. "Reid Bryson maintains his long-standing opinions on anthropogenic climate change, and he's certainly entitled to them."​
Of course, he's entitled to his views, and he's earned his right to express them. But are they science? In his summary of Thomas S. Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, which examined the role of paradigm shifts in science, Frank Pajares explains how the process works.
What is the process by which a new candidate for paradigm replaces its predecessor? At the start, a new candidate for paradigm may have few supporters (and the motives of the supporters may be suspect). If the supporters are competent, they will improve the paradigm, explore its possibilities, and show what it would be like to belong to the community guided by it. For the paradigm destined to win, the number and strength of the persuasive arguments in its favour will increase. As more and more scientists are converted, exploration increases. The number of experiments, instruments, articles, and books based on the paradigm will multiply. More scientists, convinced of the new view's fruitfulness, will adopt the new mode of practising normal science, until only a few elderly hold-outs remain. And we cannot say that they are (or were) wrong. Perhaps the scientist who continues to resist after the whole profession has been converted has ipso facto ceased to be a scientist.​
This seems to describe what has happened to Bryson. I prefer to remember him as a great teacher who was one of the people who first made me aware of the fragility of our planet's environment and how easily its delicate balance can be disturbed. It saddens me to see his reputation as "dean of U.S. climatologists" exploited by know-nothing global warming opponents.



http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/06/uw-emeritus-prof-outlives-his-expertise.html
 
LOL!!! "Heartland," and organziation funded by Exxon that (GASP!) doesn't believe in climate change!! Oh, yes, more credible bullshit from the tinfoil chapeau wearers.

Hey, HR, can you pick up WBZ-AM with the tinfoil hat of yours?

Doing the sidestep again, Generalissimo? Nice.
 
Knock yourself out. It's much more self-indulgent than dealing with reality.

Of course, it doesn't change the fact that you cannot seem to come up with any facts (data).

Try reading the thread and doing a few Google seaches. You'll find there are many folk out there who believe that global warming might be a problem and the facts that they use to come to that belief.

Deny it all you will, certainly there's enough of a fact based concern about global warning to warrant doing something about it.
 
Knock yourself out. It's much more self-indulgent than dealing with reality.

Of course, it doesn't change the fact that you cannot seem to come up with any facts (data).


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^ Let them go, Henry. People like that are the reason 71% think that man made global warming is just bullshit plain and simple.

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?...s_believe_global_warming_a_natural_occurrence

"This goes against the views of the vast majority of scientists who believe the rise in the earth's temperatures is due to pollution." See your own source.

You crow about the 71%, who don't know much about global warming, and ignore "the vast majority of scientists", who do.

No surprise there then.
 
What part don't you get? It isn't about "consensus" it either is or it ain't. If you are going to cite a "vast majority" then I get to cite 71% of a larger population who feels algore is full of hot air.
 
What part don't you get? It isn't about "consensus" it either is or it ain't. If you are going to cite a "vast majority" then I get to cite 71% of a larger population who feels algore is full of hot air.

I didn't cite a "vast majority". You did. The quote was from your own linked source.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that people are claiming that consensus is dispositive. They're not.

What they are saying is that consensus about a concern suggests that there might be something to be concerned about.
 
What part don't you get? It isn't about "consensus" it either is or it ain't. If you are going to cite a "vast majority" then I get to cite 71% of a larger population who feels algore is full of hot air.

i dont know about hot air, but it looks to me like a few of you guys laid a few air biskuits in this thread

your science is suspect and it depends on a political agenda that refuses to acnowledge the facts

you really are trying to say that global warming is not the result of human activity, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary

that is just dishonest
 
Try reading the thread and doing a few Google seaches. You'll find there are many folk out there who believe that global warming might be a problem and the facts that they use to come to that belief.

Deny it all you will, certainly there's enough of a fact based concern about global warning to warrant doing something about it.

There may (or may not) be some facts out there.

One thing is certain - not a single fact has been posted in this thread that proves global warming is in any way man made.

Give me a fact (not an opinion or a belief or a consensus), just one honest scientific fact. Preferably a test that can be replicated, which will prove that global warming is man made.

Can't do it, can you?
 
One thing is certain - not a single fact has been posted in this thread that proves global warming is in any way man made.

that is not true

you simply wont read anything that you dont agree with
 
i dont know about hot air, but it looks to me like a few of you guys laid a few air biskuits in this thread

your science is suspect and it depends on a political agenda that refuses to acnowledge the facts

you really are trying to say that global warming is not the result of human activity, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary

that is just dishonest

No, it is a simple truth. There is no such evidence.

You cite temperature changes since 1900 and postulate that it has to do with CO2.

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.

That is not a scientific method.
 
I love seeing people who point to those scientists who don't believe Global Warming is (chiefly) caused by mankind, as though they are some kind of "special key" in disproving the vast majority of scientists....Look back to the 80s gentlemen, and see the scientists hired by the tobacco companies TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS that cigarettes are NOT harmful....I suppose the fact that they disagreed with mainstream science as to the dangers of cigarettes, that the mainstream must be wrong....even scientists can be bought by special interests....

And how is citing the fact that 71% of the US population does not think Global Warming is caused by humans (a dubious figure as it is) supposed to prove something? Nearly 50% of the US population believes in Young Earth Creationism. Americans are not on the ball when it comes to science. Science is not an issue of what the UNEDUCATED MASSES think. Science is NOT a democracy. Who gives a flying fuck what the American People think about a scientific issue they know little about??
 
There may (or may not) be some facts out there.

One thing is certain - not a single fact has been posted in this thread that proves global warming is in any way man made.

Give me a fact (not an opinion or a belief or a consensus), just one honest scientific fact. Preferably a test that can be replicated, which will prove that global warming is man made.

Can't do it, can you?

Give the spin a rest Henry. Even your favorite Administration doesn't dispute known facts about global warming:

State of Knowledge

What’s Known | What’s Likely | What’s Not Certain


As with any field of scientific study, there are uncertainties associated with the science of climate change. This does not imply that scientists do not have confidence in many aspects of climate science. Some aspects of the science are known with virtual certainty1, because they are based on well-known physical laws and documented trends. Current understanding of many other aspects of climate change ranges from “likely” to “uncertain.”
What's Known

Scientists know with virtual certainty that:
  • Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
  • The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
  • A warming trend of about 0.7 to 1.5°F occurred during the 20th century. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (NRC, 2001).
  • The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
  • Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet.
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What's Likely?

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has stated "There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities" (IPCC, 2001). In short, a number of scientific analyses indicate, but cannot prove, that rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are contributing to climate change (as theory predicts). In the coming decades, scientists anticipate that as atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases continue to rise, average global temperatures and sea levels will continue to rise as a result and precipitation patterns will change.
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What's Not Certain?

Important scientific questions remain about how much warming will occur, how fast it will occur, and how the warming will affect the rest of the climate system including precipitation patterns and storms. Answering these questions will require advances in scientific knowledge in a number of areas:
  • Improving understanding of natural climatic variations, changes in the sun's energy, land-use changes, the warming or cooling effects of pollutant aerosols, and the impacts of changing humidity and cloud cover.
  • Determining the relative contribution to climate change of human activities and natural causes.
  • Projecting future greenhouse emissions and how the climate system will respond within a narrow range.
  • Improving understanding of the potential for rapid or abrupt climate change.
Addressing these and other areas of scientific uncertainty is a major priority of the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP). The CCSP is developing twenty-one Synthesis and Assessment products to advance scientific understanding of these uncertainty areas by the end of 2008. More information.
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References
1 Throughout the science section of this Web site, use of "virtual certainty" (or virtually certain) conveys a greater than 99% chance that a result is true. Other terms used to communicate confidence include "very likely" (90-99% chance the result is true) and "likely" (66-90% chance the result is true). These judgmental estimates originate from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2001).

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/stateofknowledge.html
 
I can't stand to read this whole thread. Has Henry quoted Senator Imhof yet?
 
Candidate Hillary said she would make sunbathing illegal due to the encouragement of the sun to shine. In fact, we will be doing rain dances to proactively work on a solution. Get to dancing bitch
 
I can't stand to read this whole thread. Has Henry quoted Senator Imhof yet?

not yet, but im sure even the pope will come up eventually
 
not yet, but im sure even the pope will come up eventually

Did you say the Pope?:

The Vatican representative pointed to the reality of global warming and its relation to the burning of fossil fuels and the use of other pollutants. “We can no longer pretend that human activity has little or no impact” on the worldwide “changing climatic conditions,” he said.

“The Earth’s climate system has demonstrably changed on both global and regional scales since the pre-industrial era,” Archbishop Migliore said. “Even if greenhouse gas emissions were to be stabilized at present levels – an unlikely eventually as things stand – the global warming trend and sea-level rise would continue for hundreds of years, due to the atmospheric lifetime of some greenhouse gases and the long timescales on which the deep ocean adjusts to climate change.”


http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19830
 
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