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GM temporarily halts production of Volt

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Hmmm... they sold a little more than a third of what they intended to sell and have now closed the plant down for the VOLT

Sad for the people losing work and still another shit run program by GM. If hybrid are in high demand IF they are made by Japanese carmakers then there is no excuse except making a product too expensive with not enough ROI. Well expecpt the Focus which is doing well because you can afford to buy it as an average consumer.

In other news at 4$ a gallon Americans are still shrugging at the prices and buying larger vehicles. That was in a print copy of USA Today that I cant find the article online. However is spoke of a increase overall of 16% in Large SUV and truck buying even though prices for fuel are climbing.

In the link below sales of Volt were up 264% this last month and yet it was still too little too late.

Detroit maker sales: Chrysler zooms, Ford solid, GM lags

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It's not that hybrids suck, GM just sucks period. A $40k+ car that emulates the Prius which costs about $15k less is just designed for failure. Nevermind the batteries that catch fire. I did a case study my Freshmen year in college about GM trying to copy the SMART car and the design got rejected because it failed to meet federal safety standards. Why anyone buys a GM sedan domestically is beyond me.
 
Yeah i personally would never own a American made auto. That is just based on amenities offered for price and resale value.

I would consider a hybrid for a tow behind instead of the F150 or wrangler that is currently the plan. IF they come up with a viable NON sedan based option. SOmething hybrid with four wheel drive that is affordable and reliable. I don't think hybrids suck either. I never said that in the previous volt thread. I think the volt sucks especially for the price and doesn't deserve to be car of the year. Looks as if many people agreed with me.
 
JayHawk said:
Yeah i personally would never own a American made auto. That is just based on amenities offered for price and resale value.

I would consider a hybrid for a tow behind instead of the F150 or wrangler that is currently the plan. IF they come up with a viable NON sedan based option. SOmething hybrid with four wheel drive that is affordable and reliable. I don't think hybrids suck either. I never said that in the previous volt thread. I think the volt sucks especially for the price and doesn't deserve to be car of the year. Looks as if many people agreed with me.
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I said "sedan domestically" because the only reason why GM was allowed to keep the Buick line during bankrupt restructuring is because it is insanely popular in China. If you don't believe me just goggle "Buick China". I also believe that people who buy trucks are thinking about gas mileage but rather utility. I can't say the same for SUVs but if people can spend $40K+ on an auto, they can probably afford w/e the gas price is.

I said also I would love for the US to get over their fear of diesel as it gets equivalent if not better gas mileage than some hybrids too.
 
And the car is just too ugly for that price. I liked the concept version of it before they uglified it for mass production. Originally, it was intended to look similar to the new Camaro, but a little smaller.
 
maxpowr9 said:
I said "sedan domestically" because the only reason why GM was allowed to keep the Buick line during bankrupt restructuring is because it is insanely popular in China. If you don't believe me just goggle "Buick China". I also believe that people who buy trucks are thinking about gas mileage but rather utility. I can't say the same for SUVs but if people can spend $40K+ on an auto, they can probably afford w/e the gas price is.

I said also I would love for the US to get over their fear of diesel as it gets equivalent if not better gas mileage than some hybrids too.
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I havent looked but I believe ya. That was my original bitch about the volt is that it was too expensive for the average consumer to get a ROI out of the purchase.

Spiff said:
And the car is just too ugly for that price. I liked the concept version of it before they uglified it for mass production. Originally, it was intended to look similar to the new Camaro, but a little smaller.
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That was another bitch ..how can you build a car for twice the competitors price with half the functions and amenities and none of the style and expect it to sell?

Kulindahr said:
So the plan is to hope they can sell what they have, and in the meantime figure out how to make an affordable one?
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They need to make a hybrid and keep trying to perfect a manufacturing process for batteries that would make a full electric vehicle affordable and capable.
 
I never understood buying a big ass SUV unless you had a large family. Most people I know that drive them dont, they like just like saying they drive a Tahoe or Escalade, etc. Then I live in a farming town so there are huge 4 wheel drive trucks and they are college students and I know they don't farm for a living.
 
I now live in the midwest and in any parking lot I typically see about 70 to 80% trucks.

I imagine from the dirt and equipment I see in and on most of them they are used for work and are quite utilitarian. However I can see how many drivers would feel more comfortable driving a huge vehicle. So if you can afford the gas then why not?

I drive a truck everyday but I also move a lot and need one when I need a truck.
 
The Volt is what happens when government and not the markets dictate what will be produced.

Ford had the Edsel. Obama has the Volt. Maybe we should rename it in Obama's honor? The Chevy Dolt.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfPE32uP9s&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]
 
Ahhh and I wanted to here the rest of the big bust.

By the way while big gov may have supported the idea wholeheartedly BUT the Volt was the brainchild and focus for Bob Lutz and he turned a corner for electric after seeing the successful Tesla. He was pushing that agenda BEFORE Obama and before the financial meltdown. SO in reality it has nothing to do with Big Government. As you can see in the video from 2007 he was already thinking in ten years the electric will be the focus. I still think he is right. It just isnt the volt. GM produced a big fucking turd. They should have bought and mass produced the Tesla.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt4cZDXhc_g[/ame]

Revenge of the Electric Car is a documentary that highlights many of these things.
 
There's so much misinformation in this thread.

First, the Volt is nothing like the Prius. At all. The Prius is mainly a gasoline-powered vehicle that is supported by an electric motor and battery pack. The Volt is a battery-powered vehicle that uses electric motors as its main source of drive power, and the gasoline engine is used almost entirely as a generator to replenish the battery pack. The concepts are completely different.

Second of all, this is a first generation vehicle of its type, with a battery pack of a size and type that is unheard of in automotive applications. Its expensive because of that. The most expensive single component in the vehicle is the T-shaped battery pack that runs down the spine of the car. (I've read that its somewhere around $20k just for the pack.) Its LiOn instead of the NiMH that Toyota and others use, and its extremely power dense for its size. Being the first ends up costing a lot of money, and that's why the Volt is so expensive. Or to put it another way, GM saw the market moving to LiOn batteries in the future, so rather than wait for the market to catch up and produce suitable packs, they designed them themselves.

Last of all, the development of the Volt will make batteries in future eREV electric vehicles and hybrids much more cost effective, and longer lasting. LiOn batteries are much, much safer and less toxic than NiMH batteries, and they have the capability to hold more juice in smaller spaces. You also have to understand that rolled into the Volt's price are all of those development costs, which other models will not have to bear.

Oh, and anyone that thinks this project was a result of government intervention in GM is a fucking idiot. It started development in 2006 and was approved for production before GM went bankrupt or took any funds from the government. (production was approved in September 2008, and they did not ask for any funds until November)
 
^ Pray tell what type of energy you use to charge said battery. My guess is the awesome, smog-producing power of coal which is about as harmful to environment as gasoline. This is why it is really hard to take anyone that drives a hybrid seriously when they are all about "protecting the environment".
 
JB3 said:
There's so much misinformation in this thread.

First, the Volt is nothing like the Prius. At all. The Prius is mainly a gasoline-powered vehicle that is supported by an electric motor and battery pack. The Volt is a battery-powered vehicle that uses electric motors as its main source of drive power, and the gasoline engine is used almost entirely as a generator to replenish the battery pack. The concepts are completely different.

Second of all, this is a first generation vehicle of its type, with a battery pack of a size and type that is unheard of in automotive applications. Its expensive because of that. The most expensive single component in the vehicle is the T-shaped battery pack that runs down the spine of the car. (I've read that its somewhere around $20k just for the pack.) Its LiOn instead of the NiMH that Toyota and others use, and its extremely power dense for its size. Being the first ends up costing a lot of money, and that's why the Volt is so expensive. Or to put it another way, GM saw the market moving to LiOn batteries in the future, so rather than wait for the market to catch up and produce suitable packs, they designed them themselves.

Last of all, the development of the Volt will make batteries in future eREV electric vehicles and hybrids much more cost effective, and longer lasting. LiOn batteries are much, much safer and less toxic than NiMH batteries, and they have the capability to hold more juice in smaller spaces. You also have to understand that rolled into the Volt's price are all of those development costs, which other models will not have to bear.

Oh, and anyone that thinks this project was a result of government intervention in GM is a fucking idiot. It started development in 2006 and was approved for production before GM went bankrupt or took any funds from the government. (production was approved in September 2008, and they did not ask for any funds until November)
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Actually the work to develop that battery started in the late 90's as we were trying to put together a mini submersible called ASDS. However regardless of how 'neato' a project it is this is not something you would do or continue doing IF you were going bankrupt. The only reason Volt stayed alive is because the left has a hard on for purported green energy. So to keep the favor of their new majority steakholder GM kept about this adventurous project.

You do have some valid points. However, the only reason this LiOn project had any feet at all is due to government funding in a now defunct submersible. That is where most of the leg work was done. The development of large capacity LiOn batteries is a huge cost and it still isnt done. I am pretty sure they will be in regular use in my lifetime but we havent perfected the art of creating them just yet.

GM was trying to make a paradigm shifting move at a time when they needed to simply slim their belts, lose some similar lines of autos and start making money as a company with their new found freedom from paying the pensions of millions of unionized auto workers.
 
JayHawk said:
Actually the work to develop that battery started in the late 90's as we were trying to put together a mini submersible called ASDS. However regardless of how 'neato' a project it is this is not something you would do or continue doing IF you were going bankrupt. The only reason Volt stayed alive is because the left has a hard on for purported green energy. So to keep the favor of their new majority steakholder GM kept about this adventurous project.

You do have some valid points. However, the only reason this LiOn project had any feet at all is due to government funding in a now defunct submersible. That is where most of the leg work was done. The development of large capacity LiOn batteries is a huge cost and it still isnt done. I am pretty sure they will be in regular use in my lifetime but we havent perfected the art of creating them just yet.
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Something new may take over before the LiOn batteries get perfected: silver nanowires mixed with carbon nanotubes. These get mixed in a special ink that is sprayed on ordinary, cheap paper. The result not only comes with a higher energy density than anything we have now, but when drawn on heavily functions as a capacitor, so energy can be drawn much faster than from a battery.

One beauty of this is that the battery sheets can be tucked wherever it's convenient, instead of taking up massive space in the car, they could be sandwiched into seat backing, door lining, or the car ceiling -- or all three, and others (curling the sheets and stuffing them into otherwise hollow spaces such as door handles would work fine; they can even be crumpled and still work).

In theory, the SiC battery could power a car from San Diego to Seattle and still have a charge for doing some shopping before stopping.
 
JayHawk said:
Hmmm... they sold a little more than a third of what they intended to sell and have now closed the plant down for the VOLT

Sad for the people losing work and still another shit run program by GM. If hybrid are in high demand IF they are made by Japanese carmakers then there is no excuse except making a product too expensive with not enough ROI. Well expecpt the Focus which is doing well because you can afford to buy it as an average consumer.

In other news at 4$ a gallon Americans are still shrugging at the prices and buying larger vehicles. That was in a print copy of USA Today that I cant find the article online. However is spoke of a increase overall of 16% in Large SUV and truck buying even though prices for fuel are climbing.

In the link below sales of Volt were up 264% this last month and yet it was still too little too late.

Detroit maker sales: Chrysler zooms, Ford solid, GM lags

Zoom Zoom
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I agree with everything that JayHawk said......

JayHawk is so handsome & smart!! :kiss:

xoxo

muah!

(Now all I have to do is high-tail it to Oklahoma.......) ;)
 
JayHawk said:
Dear God...

You go ahead and go to Okie land....
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Gahhh......

This California sun is making my poor brain melt......

I mean Kansas!! Where ever Overland Park is!!

I love me some JayHawk! (*8*)
 
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