GM temporarily halts production of Volt

[benno5693]

Both cars are plug-in hybrids, both have been based on the same concept - you can't deny that. The specific details of how each system operates doesn't really matter IMO.

If Ford can get more mpg(e) out of a larger and heavier car (and better looking inside and out) for the same or, heaven forbid, even less cost, what's not to love? I can only hope Energi will find its way to the new MKZ as only the Hybrid is confirmed so far (bar ICE)...

 

[JB3]

Both cars are plug-in hybrids, both have been based on the same concept - you can't deny that. The specific details of how each system operates doesn't really matter IMO.

If Ford can get more mpg(e) out of a larger and heavier car (and better looking inside and out) for the same or, heaven forbid, even less cost, what's not to love? I can only hope Energi will find its way to the new MKZ as only the Hybrid is confirmed so far (bar ICE)...

It most certainly does matter. The Volt is completely different conceptually than the Energi and it uses less gas in the process. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with how a regular hybrid works and how an extended range electric vehicle like the Volt works. They're two totally different things.

 

[JB3]

I was referring to the plug in to get a charge part. we keep going on and on and you still wont admit that is how it primarily gets its charge... NOT when it goes past 30 and up to 70 where the gasoline engine assist the battery and electrical motor driveline with a traditional driveline.

Did I tell you all I did was propulsion systems analysis for almost 17 years. Granted most of the ones I studied weren't ours. None the less the components and how they wear and how they work are fairly easy to lay out. Along with how they sound under water............but I digress.

Volt is a dud but it is a fairly enterprising thing for a auto manufacturer to take a chance on... but it was destined to be a dud... the residuals from the R&D will probably be enormous but it is still a dud.

It isn't. A Volt owner will drive a significantly higher number of miles using the gas-powered charge than the stored plug-in charge. It is a FACT that the primary method of power for the Volt is its gasoline engine.

 

[JayHawk]

I wonder what that stupid plug thingy is for then?

I mean if you charge primarily with a gasoline engine why would you EVER plug in?

 

[JB3]

I wonder what that stupid plug thingy is for then?

I mean if you charge primarily with a gasoline engine why would you EVER plug in?

You don't have to.

(which is exactly the point of the eREV powertrain concept)

You could own a Volt and NEVER plug it in and would be just fine.

 

[JayHawk]

HMMMMM from GM... you know the manufacturer of the auto:

Q: What is the driving range of the Chevy Volt?

A: The car has been designed to drive from 25 to 50 miles on pure electricity stored in the battery from overnight home charging. The actual range will vary depending on temperature, terrain, and driving style.

After that the gas engine will kick in and allow the car to be driven an additional 344 miles on a full tank (9.3 gallons) of gas.

So I can see with a gasoline engine range of 344 versus a charge range of 25 to 50 I can see how someone would become confused into believing the intent was to use the gasoline engine as the prime energy source.

But since the average American drives 16 miles to work they intended the vehicle to get them there and back just in time for a charge.

That means the primary source of charging for the battery is intended to be an outlet in the home. Which is of course why they include a plug. If the primary source was the gasoline engine then there would be no need for a plug since the engine happens to be attached. And again that makes it a less green vehicle than your average gasoline burning hybrid which gets better gas mileage over all and does not rely at all on electrical energy from dirty coal burning sources.

To address the other thing you refuse to admit... that the government is involved in trying to sell this vehicle:

Q: Are there any government incentives to purchase this car?
A: Buyers will be entitled to a $7500 tax credit for the first 200,000 vehicles sold.

The answer is no people wont buy a dud even if they get money back. I wonder why they are only doing it for the first 200,000 copies? No matter they wont have to pay a fraction of that in revenue from taxes.

 

[JayHawk]

SO yeah you could Never plug it in but I can buy a gasoline engine non hybrid with all the bells and whistles that gets around 40mpg and pay half the price I would pay for a Volt.

hence the dud.....and no sales.

 

[JB3]

HMMMMM from GM... you know the manufacturer of the auto:



So I can see with a gasoline engine range of 344 versus a charge range of 25 to 50 I can see how someone would become confused into believing the intent was to use the gasoline engine as the prime energy source.

But since the average American drives 16 miles to work they intended the vehicle to get them there and back just in time for a charge.

That means the primary source of charging for the battery is intended to be an outlet in the home. Which is of course why they include a plug. If the primary source was the gasoline engine then there would be no need for a plug since the engine happens to be attached. And again that makes it a less green vehicle than your average gasoline burning hybrid which gets better gas mileage over all and does not rely at all on electrical energy from dirty coal burning sources.

To address the other thing you refuse to admit... that the government is involved in trying to sell this vehicle:



The answer is no people wont buy a dud even if they get money back. I wonder why they are only doing it for the first 200,000 copies? No matter they wont have to pay a fraction of that in revenue from taxes.

Yeah...you really don't know anything about the history of hybrids in the US do you? Those subsidies were in effect long before the Volt was a twinkle in anyone's eye, and have been offered to every hybrid in existence.

Oh, and you're still wrong about the power source. The primary source of power for the Volt is the engine. Period.