GOP House leadership makes it clear that gay equality is NOT tolerated in their party

[hotatlboi]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/politics/house-democrats-republicans-lgbt-proposal/

This is pretty absurd.

There was a vote today on a proposal to bar federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT workers.

The measure had enough support to pass but once the vote count showed a majority in favor the GOP leadership went into action twisting arms of enough of their members to change their vote so that it would fail. They held open the vote until they had changed enough votes for it to fail by one vote.

If there was any doubt that equality for gay people is still 100% anathema in the GOP, this is pretty strong evidence.

 

[offthewall14420]

It's highly unusual for a whip to get it wrong. Even more unusual for the Speaker to put it on the floor without certainty of it's passage.

This was done by 'baggers to show up Speaker Ryan, make him appear weak. Once a narrative catches on there's no stopping it, you have to eclipse it with even bigger news.

Funnier still that Ryan took the bait. He is weak.

"House Speaker Paul Ryan, who as the speaker doesn't typically vote, was holding his weekly news conference and missed the fracas.When asked about what happened, he told reporters he didn't have any details about who may have changed their votes, but made it clear he opposed the Democrats' proposal."

Or Ryan did it to make Donald Trump take a stand on the issue. All political.

"The states should do this. The federal government shouldn't stick its nose in this business," Ryan said."

 

[rareboy]

Wow.

Talk about a damaged legislative branch.

Well GOP.

Most self respecting homos hate you guys too.

 

[Benvolio]

Republicans do not hate gays. The belive firmly in economic freedom and free enterprise. The people who start a business, pay the taxes and the all the burdens the government imosses on them should be able to hire whom they choose for the job. They should not be forced to send the jobs overseas to gain that freedom.
I do not believe that gays have a harder time finding good jobs than others because of their orientation, and I can not understand why a gay person would want to work for someone who does not want him or her.
Finally i point out that these special rights to sue make the "protected" less desireable as employees. Who wants to hire someone who has superior rights to sue anytime he does not get what he wants? Didn't get the promotion? Must be discrimination. Didn't get the raise he wanted? Might as well sue.
Better not take the chance--don't hire him to begin with.

 

[hotatlboi]

Republicans do not hate gays. The belive firmly in economic freedom and free enterprise. The people who start a business, pay the taxes and the all the burdens the government imosses on them should be able to hire whom they choose for the job. They should not be forced to send the jobs overseas to gain that freedom.
I do not believe that gays have a harder time finding good jobs than others because of their orientation, and I can not understand why a gay person would want to work for someone who does not want him or her.
Finally i point out that these special rights to sue make the "protected" less desireable as employees. Who wants to hire someone who has superior rights to sue anytime he does not get what he wants? Didn't get the promotion? Must be discrimination. Didn't get the raise he wanted? Might as well sue.
Better not take the chance--don't hire him to begin with.

Yes Ben, we know you would prefer businesses just not hire gay people to begin with. Looks like your party leadership agrees.

 

[Benvolio]

Yes Ben, we know you would prefer businesses just not hire gay people to begin with. Looks like your party leadership agrees.

You lie. I have never said anything like that. Of course i think businesses should not discriminate against gays. I and the GOP think that the government should not dictate everything.

 

[offthewall14420]

So why in the hell did Ryan put the legislation on the floor?

 

[BenDan]

Republicans do not hate gays. The belive firmly in economic freedom and free enterprise. The people who start a business, pay the taxes and the all the burdens the government imosses on them should be able to hire whom they choose for the job. They should not be forced to send the jobs overseas to gain that freedom.
I do not believe that gays have a harder time finding good jobs than others because of their orientation, and I can not understand why a gay person would want to work for someone who does not want him or her.
Finally i point out that these special rights to sue make the "protected" less desireable as employees. Who wants to hire someone who has superior rights to sue anytime he does not get what he wants? Didn't get the promotion? Must be discrimination. Didn't get the raise he wanted? Might as well sue.
Better not take the chance--don't hire him to begin with.

well by definition if someone is allowed to discriminate against them then they do in fact have a "harder time finding good jobs"

I agree with you that no one should have to or want to work for someone who is anti gay - but that should be the choice of the one looking for the job not the one providing the job

 

[Benvolio]

well by definition if someone is allowed to discriminate against them then they do in fact have a "harder time finding good jobs"

I agree with you that no one should have to or want to work for someone who is anti gay - but that should be the choice of the one looking for the job not the one providing the job

It does not logically follow that if someone can discriminate they do. Therefore it not does not follow that people who could possibly be discriminated against have a harder time. More importantly, there is no evidence that the alleged diacrimation had a significant impact.
Why do you say that it should be the choice of the one looking for the job? Who created the job? Who pays the salary? Who loses money if the enmployee cannot do the job? Who pays the taxes? On and on. It is the employer who suffers if the wrong person is hired. He should have the choice,
We should not force him to send his job overseas to avoid democrat oppression.

 

[Kabluey]

It does not logically follow that if someone can discriminate they do.

Logically if someone can't discriminate they won't.

It's very simple, and it doesn't cost a dime.

 

[frankfrank]

Republicans do not hate gays.

I can not understand why a gay person would want to work for someone who does not want him or her.

I think the gathering in Des Moines back in November, which was cheered by the Party and had people such as Mike Bickle talking about how gay people must be killed, proves otherwise.

Bobby Jindal, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and somebody else (Ben Carson OR Michael Rubio...there were four in all) gave prepared speeches at the event. They didn't go all the way to Des Moines without knowing what the event was all about. I tried to find more information about it back in Jan or Feb and I couldn't find much, but what I could find was a suggestion that 100% of the purpose of the event was to bash gays and say that they MUST BE KILLED.

As far as a gay person working for somebody who is anti-gay...and being turned down for that reason:

OK, IF YOU LIVE SOMEPLACE LIKE ALABAMA OR MISSISSIPPI, **NO WORK FOR YOU!**

Allowed to discriminate, I'd bet that 80% of employers would shut their doors to employees who MIGHT be gay. Of course I know a lot of people who would generate false alarms (never married, etc.) and thankfully they don't have to cope with this shit because they live elsewhere.

70% OR 80% WOULD APPROACH 100%, as backwards hick goons may Boycott, or even threaten or bomb, companies that hire gay people. Some of them are just that way...the pathological hatred knows no bounds. And at least 90% of them are Republican, I would guess. (Links/statistics? I've got nothing...but this is just something that I, and many more of us, KNOW.)

That anti-gay bathroom panic bill (etc.) that they tried to pass in Georgia, but Gov. Deal vetoed it? I understand that, among other things, it would have set up a DATABASE OF GAY PEOPLE in Georgia. Uh...WHY??????

Let's see how many antigay/anti-trans/etc. planks are in the Republican party platform that comes out of Cleveland in July. I would almost be willing to bet my life there will be some.

 

[Benvolio]

Logically if someone can't discriminate they won't.

It's very simple, and it doesn't cost a dime.

So, ALL discriminatiom against black, women, asians, hispanics has ended because it is forbidden. I wonder why we don't just end robberies, murders and raped by forbidding them as well?

 

[Kabluey]

So, ALL discriminatiom against black, women, asians, hispanics has ended because it is forbidden. I wonder why we don't just end robberies, murders and raped by forbidding them as well?

If you speed, you get a ticket.
If you steal, you get charged.
If you murder, you get imprisoned, or worse.

Consequences inform the actions of people who would otherwise act illegally everywhere. Why is that such a mental leap for you?

 

[Benvolio]

I think the gathering in Des Moines back in November, which was cheered by the Party and had people such as Mike Bickle talking about how gay people must be killed, proves otherwise.

Bobby Jindal, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and somebody else (Ben Carson OR Michael Rubio...there were four in all) gave prepared speeches at the event. They didn't go all the way to Des Moines without knowing what the event was all about. I tried to find more information about it back in Jan or Feb and I couldn't find much, but what I could find was a suggestion that 100% of the purpose of the event was to bash gays and say that they MUST BE KILLED.

As far as a gay person working for somebody who is anti-gay...and being turned down for that reason:

OK, IF YOU LIVE SOMEPLACE LIKE ALABAMA OR MISSISSIPPI, **NO WORK FOR YOU!**

Allowed to discriminate, I'd bet that 80% of employers would shut their doors to employees who MIGHT be gay. Of course I know a lot of people who would generate false alarms (never married, etc.) and thankfully they don't have to cope with this shit because they live elsewhere.

70% OR 80% WOULD APPROACH 100%, as backwards hick goons may Boycott, or even threaten or bomb, companies that hire gay people. Some of them are just that way...the pathological hatred knows no bounds. And at least 90% of them are Republican, I would guess. (Links/statistics? I've got nothing...but this is just something that I, and many more of us, KNOW.)

That anti-gay bathroom panic bill (etc.) that they tried to pass in Georgia, but Gov. Deal vetoed it? I understand that, among other things, it would have set up a DATABASE OF GAY PEOPLE in Georgia. Uh...WHY??????

Let's see how many antigay/anti-trans/etc. planks are in the Republican party platform that comes out of Cleveland in July. I would almost be willing to bet my life there will be some.

Your claim that Republicans want to kill gays is monstrously false. None of your invented statistics deserve response.

 

[Benvolio]

If you speed, you get a ticket.
If you steal, you get charged.
If you murder, you get imprisoned, or worse.

Consequences inform the actions of people who would otherwise act illegally everywhere. Why is that such a mental leap for you?

No [Text: Removed], i was responding to your stupid claim "if someone can't discriminate they won't." So, if people can't rob they won't...... Sorry, the law is not that effective in influecing human behavior.

 

[jbrown329]

Republicans do not hate gays. The belive firmly in economic freedom and free enterprise. The people who start a business, pay the taxes and the all the burdens the government imosses on them should be able to hire whom they choose for the job. They should not be forced to send the jobs overseas to gain that freedom.
I do not believe that gays have a harder time finding good jobs than others because of their orientation, and I can not understand why a gay person would want to work for someone who does not want him or her.
Finally i point out that these special rights to sue make the "protected" less desireable as employees. Who wants to hire someone who has superior rights to sue anytime he does not get what he wants? Didn't get the promotion? Must be discrimination. Didn't get the raise he wanted? Might as well sue.
Better not take the chance--don't hire him to begin with.

Bullfuckingshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERY law passed and written into state constitutions stating that marriage was between 1 man and 1 woman were done by repukes. Every single one.

 

[jbrown329]

It does not logically follow that if someone can discriminate they do. Therefore it not does not follow that people who could possibly be discriminated against have a harder time. More importantly, there is no evidence that the alleged diacrimation had a significant impact.
Why do you say that it should be the choice of the one looking for the job? Who created the job? Who pays the salary? Who loses money if the enmployee cannot do the job? Who pays the taxes? On and on. It is the employer who suffers if the wrong person is hired. He should have the choice,
We should not force him to send his job overseas to avoid democrat oppression.

One Map Shows Where You Can Still Be Fired for Being Gay in 2015

Obviously it's Democrats doing that. And in a shitload of states, you can be denied housing or kicked out of your housing because of your sexuality. I guess that's Democrats too.

 

[frankfrank]

I think the gathering in Des Moines back in November, which was cheered by the Party and had people such as Mike Bickle talking about how gay people must be killed, proves otherwise.

Bobby Jindal, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and somebody else (Ben Carson OR Michael Rubio...there were four in all) gave prepared speeches at the event. They didn't go all the way to Des Moines without knowing what the event was all about. I tried to find more information about it back in Jan or Feb and I couldn't find much, but what I could find was a suggestion that 100% of the purpose of the event was to bash gays and say that they MUST BE KILLED.

OK, this is really strange...I finally DID find a link to this conference - the NATIONAL RELIGIOUS LIBERTIES CONFERENCE over the weekend of November 6, 2015.

National Religious Liberties Conference in Des Moines

This links to the *SCHEDULE* - which should tell exactly what the conference was all about. I see NO MENTIONS of Mick Bickle, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, and ???, anywhere in the schedule. All these guys gave speeches. What gives?

Furthermore, I see no mention of anti-gay stuff (except indirect references via marriage or military issues), let alone that gay people should be killed.

IS IT POSSIBLE that they put a sanitized version up on their website? Once somebody registered, perhaps they were given an UNSANITIZED VERSION of the schedule and agenda? The schedule shows other issues, but the antigay/KILL THE GAYS thing was a big part of it, at least.

Speeches by Ted Cruz, etc. would be a BIG FUCKING DEAL at one of these conferences - after all, we're talking about presidential candidates - who may actually be most able to put these policies into effect via their office and SCOTUS appointments - giving speeches. Wouldn't that be the VERY most important part of such a conference? Yet, no mention of speeches by ANY of the four candidates who went!

Inquiring minds want to know the truth about the agenda of this conference.

 

[Benvolio]

One Map Shows Where You Can Still Be Fired for Being Gay in 2015

Obviously it's Democrats doing that. And in a shitload of states, you can be denied housing or kicked out of your housing because of your sexuality. I guess that's Democrats too.

We disagree in that you want a totalitarian state in which every thing undesirable should be criminalized. In many states a person can quit his job because his boss is gay, or he can refuse to work for a gay man. And a gay person can refuse to work for a straight man and quit without having good cause. Clearly we need equal protection to solve these problems.

 

[TX-Beau]

We disagree in that you want a totalitarian state in which every thing undesirable should be criminalized. In many states a person can quit his job because his boss is gay, or he can refuse to work for a gay man. And a gay person can refuse to work for a straight man and quit without having good cause. Clearly we need equal protection to solve these problems.

In many states you can quit if you have a gay Boss, EQUALITY!!!!!!

I just spit coffee all over my keyboard, Ben owes me a new keyboard!!!

What a fucking joke.

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Yet more evidence Ben is not a gay man.