GOP Sen. nominee Christine O'Donnell: homophobe or closet case?

[dek123leo]

I wasn't raised in a Fundamentalist family.

Doubtful. The overwhelming majority of people who are not religious have no problem with gay people. Their judgment wasn't clouded by religious bigotry as a child, so they never came to see that position as normal.

Since you have, it might be hard to put yourself in another mindset, which is why I say look to statistics. Had you not been raised in a fundamentalist family, it would probably have never been an issue for you.

 

[dek123leo]

Actually, I think the majority of the people who have commented on my posts (and thanks for doing so by the way) have the wrong idea about me and religion. But I realize that a lot of you may have been hurt, abused, damaged, etc by religion. I'm sorry for that. But I'm not here to convert anyone, just offering my opinion.

For me, struggling with these urges, tendencies, etc. and fighting them has made me more compassionate, understanding, empathetic and understanding towards homosexuals and others.

And I think that's a good thing.

 

[CowboyBob]

If Karl Rove were a Democrat he's start whispering innuendo she's a lesbian.

 

[hotatlboi]

I wasn't raised in a Fundamentalist family.

Well, regardless, if you had not come to believe religiously based homophobic intolerance, it's statistically highly unlikely you would have any problem with gay people.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Thoughts?

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I personally think that Christianity is a mental illness and that Christians shouldn't be able to hold public office or have children. I think that Christians should be able to choose to be Christian but anyone who can read knows that Christians are MUCH more likely to be pedophiles, rapists, murderers, spousal abusers and drunk drivers. We also know that Christians generally are hypocrites of the top order. They point to their bible and yell at me for not following a whole set of rules that they themselves don't follow either.

Just ask the gay guy who says that being gay is bad so he controls himself... the one posting on a gay porn site.


Allowing Christians to have kids is child abuse. Allowing them to be teachers is playing with fire. That's just going to end with more raped kids.

Sad, really.

 

[hotatlboi]

I personally think that Christianity is a mental illness and that Christians shouldn't be able to hold public office or have children.

Wow.

I mean I'm no fan of religion but that's a bit extreme don't you think?

There are plenty of very reasonable Christians.

It's just the wacky fundamentalist fringe that has the problem really.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

But I realize that a lot of you may have been hurt, abused, damaged, etc by religion.

It actually is pretty cool that you acknowledge that Christians are abusers. Most pretend it's the gays.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Wow.

I mean I'm no fan of religion but that's a bit extreme don't you think?

There are plenty of very reasonable Christians.

It's just the wacky fundamentalist fringe that has the problem really.

I don't think it's extreme at all. Look at Christine O'Donnell. If she doesn't end up in jail for misappropriation of campaign funds, I'll be shocked. She's already being investigated.

The more Christian someone is, the more evil they are. Fact.

I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

 

[hotatlboi]

I don't think it's extreme at all. Look at Christine O'Donnell.

Like i said, the wacky fundamentalist fringe.

Most Christians are not that.

Roughly 70-80% of the US population self identifies as Christian of some form or another. Most of those people find beliefs like Christine O'donnell's (the wacky fundamentalist fringe) to be absurd.

The wacky fundamentalist fringe often makes the most noise in politics, but it does not speak for the majority of Christians or religious people.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Like i said, the wacky fundamentalist fringe.

Most Christians are not that.

Roughly 70-80% of the US population self identifies as Christian of some form or another. Most of those people find beliefs like Christine O'donnell's (the wacky fundamentalist fringe) to be absurd.

Really. Then how is it that she was endorsed by Sarah Palin, the most popular Republican.. and how is it she won the nomination?

She clearly represents most of those people.

doesn't sound too "fringe" to me.

 

[hotatlboi]

Really. Then how is it that she was endorsed by Sarah Palin, the most popular Republican.. and how is it she won the nomination?

She clearly represents most of those people.

Huh? Do a little thinking man, not that hard lol.

She got 53% of the vote within the Republican party (which in delaware represents about 30% of the people).

That means she represents only about .53 x .3 = 16% of the eligible voters that could have voted for her.

Roughly 80% of people in Delaware are Christians, so 16% is clearly a minority among them, and that comparison is assuming all people who voted for O'Donnell are Christian which is an invalid assumption, so if anything it would be less. http://www.gallup.com/poll/12091/tracking-religious-affiliation-state-state.aspx#2

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Huh? Do a little thinking man, not that hard lol.

She got 53% of the vote within the Republican party (which in delaware represents about 30% of the people).

That means she represents only about .53 x .3 = 16% of the eligible voters that could have voted for her.

I can assure you that 16% represents a minority of all the religious people in Delaware.

I've decided I'm sick and fucking tired of being the rational one.

So I'm just going to say what I think and not going to bother with your figures and formulas.

Besides... I really do think most Christians are child abusers. I really do think Christianity is a mental illness (for fuck's sake... they worship a Jewish zombie). I really do think that they should be in sanitariums and certainly not in schools.

 

[hotatlboi]

I've decided I'm sick and fucking tired of being the rational one.

How are you being the rational one?

You generalized 80% of the country as child abusers, based solely on your dislike for the fundamentalist fringe of a certain religion.

I'm apologize if my post was too factual for you.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

How are you being the rational one?

I'm not. It's very liberating.

You generalized 80% of the country as child abusers, based solely on your dislike for the fundamentalist fringe of a certain religion.

Well I don't see them as fringe, honestly. If you want to get Christians to the polls, but an anti-gay bill on the ballot. Want to get money from Christians? say that the gays want to have rights.

Wanna solidify your Christian base? Well, lockstep your whole party to vote against DADT and come up with some bullshit reason for doing it.

Doesn't sound so fringe to me

I'm apologize if my post was too factual for you.

Good.

 

[hotatlboi]

Well I don't see them as fringe, honestly. If you want to get Christians to the polls, but an anti-gay bill on the ballot. Want to get money from Christians? say that the gays want to have rights.

Wanna solidify your Christian base? Well, lockstep your whole party to vote against DADT and come up with some bullshit reason for doing it.

Doesn't sound so fringe to me

Not all Christians are opposed to gay rights. Some people who are not Christians are opposed to gay rights. Yes probably the majority who are have some religious affiliation, but to say that anyone who is Christian shouldn't be allowed to hold office or raise children is profoundly intolerant imo.

Your negative generalization of all Christians is really no better than some of their negative generalizations of all gays.

What they need is education, not reciprocal hatred. Education has changed many of their opinions over the last 10-20 years, and hopefully will continue to do so.

But if you really want to do away with religious freedom in this country, well then that is a whole other problem which you need to get over.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Not all Christians are opposed to gay rights.

Virtually all, though. otherwise homophobia wouldn't be a good way to get the Christian vote. Prove me wrong on that one.

to say that anyone who is Christian shouldn't be allowed to hold office or raise children is profoundly intolerant imo.

So? Why should I care about those "people?"

Your negative generalization of all Christians is really no better than some of their negative generalizations of all gays.

Yup, and the shoe feels pretty good on this foot.

What they need is education, not reciprocal hatred..

Let me tell the story of a woman named Marjorie. She owns a restaurant in West Hollywood called "El Coyote."

she worked with and served gay people most of her life at her family-owned restaurant. She was at their homes, at their weddings... But she gave a donation to pass prop 8 because she was a mormon. And good mormons hate gay people. It's in their book.

No amount of education and understanding cured her of being a homophobic bitch who gave money to take away the rights of gay people.

So what she needs is a boycott so she loses her restaurant and loses her money and goes bankrupt and ends up starving in the streets, homeless and hungry.. then she'll have no more money to give to take away my rights.

The End.

 

[hotatlboi]

So? Why should I care about those "people?"

Because the US Constitution says everyone should have equal protection under the law. And saying gays should be able to win their rights with that argument at the same time you advocate stripping them from another group is profoundly hypocritical.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Because the US Constitution says everyone should have equal protection under the law. And saying gays should be able to win their rights with that argument at the same time you advocate stripping them from another group is profoundly hypocritical.

Ok, but every anti-gay law going has been found "unconstitutional" and they're all still on the books.

So we're back to Christians expecting me to follow a bunch of rules they don't even follow themselves. And I'm done with that, too.

 

[chrisrobin]

If Karl Rove were a Democrat he's start whispering innuendo she's a lesbian.

When Elena Kagan was being considered for the U.S. Supreme Court, her unmarried status and the fact that she plays softball put the Republican slime machine into motion.

P.S. If Karl Rove were a Democrat, I'd be a woman.

 

[hotatlboi]

Ok, but every anti-gay law going has been found "unconstitutional" and they're all still on the books.

So we're back to Christians expecting me to follow a bunch of rules they don't even follow themselves. And I'm done with that, too.

Huh?

I'm beginning to see that you really aren't all that informed about our political process (no offense).

1. Every anti-gay law has most certainly not been found unconstitutional. A great many remain.

2. If a law is found unconstitutional by a court, whether it remains on the books is irrelevant. It is no longer enforceable at that point, meaning you don't have to follow it.