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Guys in open relationships: are you judged?

Interesting responses guys. ..|

I guess what I really wanted to ask is: are people in open relationships judged so harshly that a knee-jerk response like "you can't judge me!!" is warranted? Or am I just coming across yet more internet behaviour? (I suspect the latter, but if not, then people should really stop judging others)




Most of the guys in open relationships who give me the "you can't judge me!!" response are from the Netherlands as well. ;)

But I get your point. We don't care as much about what a person does behind closed doors.

Right, you can judge me all you want, but then I'm going to judge you. Frankly you're coming across sounding like you have an agenda. Why, can't place it just yet, keep talking.

The people I've found who have the knee jerk responses, generally aren't the ones who are in open relationships. Quite the opposite in fact. As this thread well supports.
 
LOL, oh please. Mildly annoyed at the hypocrisy perhaps.

People who feel the need to define other people's relationships in terms of themselves (which is precisely what you are doing for all of your attempted disclaimers) have just taken a page from all those straight people who are disgusted at you for fucking a guy.

After all, a man can't possibly love another man, that's just disgusting, it can't happen, if you think it does you are deluding yourself, and it goes against nature, and they know that because they know it!

Familiar? yeah, thought so.
 
Yeah but you just did pass judgment, for all you tried to be nice about it.

My experience is that the cheaters are almost always in monogamous relationships.

And that's my experience and that's what I see and I think there is a lot of dishonesty in them... however, that's from my own perspective and from what I've noticed when people say they are in monogamous relationships. And I'm talking about people I've met in person.

See how that works?

And I also mean that about cheaters in monogamous relationships, how many of you come in here bitching about that very thing?

So what exactly are you up on the high horse about?
 
Right, you can judge me all you want, but then I'm going to judge you. Frankly you're coming across sounding like you have an agenda. Why, can't place it just yet, keep talking.

I don't. I've just come across it more than usual lately, thought it was an interesting phenomenon and wanted to get some input on it. My own view is this: I don't think I could be in an open relationship (though never say never), but I've seen enough of them that work wonderfully. The most loving couple I know are in an open relationship.

My angle, I think, was this: I don't understand why you would judge someone for the way they choose to live their lives. I believe people can do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. So I don't understand the extreme militancy in people in open relationships that I have recently come across. Likewise, I don't get some of the responses in this thread. It all just breaks my brain. I was hoping to get some insight here, to see if it really was that bad, or if there is some sort of defensive mechanism going on in the open relationship guys I've encountered. And if that were the case, why that would be.


treanir...you definitely have your answer. Seems to me that some guys in open relationships are judged harshly, and are also insecure, defensive pricks. ^^ if those posts don't scream insecurity, I don't know what does.

Indeed. And like I just said: brain broken.
 
Sometimes I think that people who insist that their way is the only way and toss around ill informed and frankly condescending assumptions on other people are hopelessly insecure.

Such is life.

...but that's JUST my opinion...

Please.

No, that is not just your opinion. That is you making a judgement on someone else and their opinions. I have no problem with that. I make judgements and I accept that others do the same. The difference between us it that I admit to it.

If I agree with you about open relationships, you have no problem with me making that judgement. But make no mistake, that is a judgement. If my judgement is different than yours, you call foul.

To say that those in faithful relationships are the most insecure or are closet cheaters, only proves that it hits a nerve.

That is my judgement.
 
Then my judgment would be that you suck at reading sarcasm and you should gain some fluency before replying to any of TX's posts... Just saying...




The problem isn't with open or closed relationships. It's with relationships in general, and the fact that most gay guys - superficial bitches as we are - think that a "relationship" means just exclusive hanging out. They date their ideal, and the moment they realize there is an actual person behind that ideal, with maybe actual flaws, god forbid, the magic is shattered, and the "relationship" is destroyed. Ze drama.

A relationship is about what works, and what fits the people in it. I don't have experience to base it on, but based on pure logic, I'd say open relationships probably have higher potential for a meltdown than monogamous ones. Simply because it seems to me that often it would be one of the people's idea, and the other would be less ok with it than he lets on. Also, to ME personally it would be hard to maintain, as I always have some emotional connection with the people I have sex with, so it would be hard to maintain the boundary between "partner" and "others".

That said, I'm a hedonist by nature, and if someone has made an open relationship work, I applaud them. If I were in a situation and with someone that could make it work, I'd totally do it too. To speculate that those have higher chance of misfire is one thing. To instantly assume they don't work is just being prude.
 
Sarcasm is not something easily picked up from a post unless you know the person. I do not know the person you refer to, I just responded to his post in this thread.
 
I don't know him either. I just imagine he's very good looking and versatile ^_^


Anyway, a good hint - when the other person uses the exact same phrases the previous poster has used, in the exact same sequence, but saying something outrageously opposite to them, that's a clear indication of sarcasm. It is used to show them how absurd their words seem from the outside.... when not completely lost on the audience that is.
 
Yes I'm smokin' hot. (grin) Versatile, not so much unless I really, really like you and you don't have a huge cock.

No, that is not just your opinion. That is you making a judgement on someone else and their opinions. I have no problem with that. I make judgements and I accept that others do the same. The difference between us it that I admit to it.

If I agree with you about open relationships, you have no problem with me making that judgement. But make no mistake, that is a judgement. If my judgement is different than yours, you call foul.

To say that those in faithful relationships are the most insecure or are closet cheaters, only proves that it hits a nerve.

That is my judgement.

LOL, just an opinion right, I mean OBVIOUSLY my relationship isn't "faithful."

...but but but I only meant monogamous...

Bullshit. You meant what you said.

What do you think a value judgment is? A personal opinion (usually pejorative) that you blanket apply to other people.

What I was doing was being sarcastic, yes, but also pointing out the hypocrisy of some of the posters in here who level these judgments and then attempt to disown it by saying, “but that’s just my opinion.”

Fine, if your opinion is that my relationship is cheating, immoral, dishonest, unfaithful, or what-have-you, mine is that you are a hypocrite on several levels. Now we’re all happy.

It’s perfectly possible to tell us why an open relationship isn’t right for you without telling me that my relationship is deficient and you know that it is just because. Call that opinion, call it point of view, hell call it Bob for all I care – it’s still you tossing judgment around.




Open relationships are harder than monogamous ones, they require more trust and more confidence – and there are plenty of monogamous guys out there lying about it so they can cheat on their partner, there are guys who want to try it because they want out of whatever they’re in and can’t quite get up the courage to leave. There are guys who try it and discover they can't make it work, and yes Alice, there are people for whom it does work.

That says nothing about whether open relationships work or not – just like all that cheating and lying that goes on in a large percentage of monogamous relationships says nothing about whether they can work or not. Pretending there is a difference because you are hanging on to some kind of rules relationships must conform to is hypocrisy.

Any gay man who tells other people that their relationship is dishonest because it isn't the same as theirs has taken a page out of the far right playbook and I have some Fundies who'd like to talk to you about your own dishonest and immoral relationship. That's hypocrisy also.

Because any relationship is about the people in it, not some kind of general conformity.

What works for me may not work for you but you know what, your way isn’t better or more moral or correct or any combination thereof, and frankly it’s annoying when people start calling my relationship dishonest out of prissiness and ignorance.
 
an open relationship does not qualify as a relationship in my book. you are with someone or you are not, there is no in-between.
 
I wonder .....

Any data published on:

Open vs monogomaus relationships - what % of people define as open
Success of open vs monog
Open - is it more of a gay thing vs str8

I think (not know) that a long lasting open relationship must require either:

Immense trust and love
Or
Ambivalence

1 is awesome
The other is an arrangement

Who wouldn't want to be able to act on a hot side thing
Who would be ok with their partner doing the same

I'm open to the idea of an open relationship
Prob more so than the reality of it
 
The discussion has moved away from the Coming Out and Relationship Forum guidelines and has been moved to Hot Topics.
 
If I wanted to fuck everyone but the guy i'm with I wouldn't be dating one person.

That's just my view. Obviously that's not everyone's take on relationships, but keep in mind that i'm not the one you're dating/partnered with anyway.

Never met a person that made me think otherwise (though I've only met TWO people that I'd readily do a 3some with) - besides that, i'm really apathetic towards pure hookups, so it really keeps me from doing them too often.
 
an open relationship does not qualify as a relationship in my book. you are with someone or you are not, there is no in-between.

...an relationship between two men does not qualify as a relationship in my book. you are with a woman or you are not, there is no in-between...

Right. Same argument.
 
...I'm curious to know how these relationships are 'harder' and require 'more' trust and confidence than [STRIKE]any other[/STRIKE] (your characterization not mine) relationship...

They are harder because you have to absolutely know your partner knows the way home and require more trust and confidence because you also have to be absolutely confident he loves you.

Monogamous relationships don't put that pressure on you.
 
...If I wanted to fuck everyone but the guy i'm with I wouldn't be dating one person...

Wanting to fuck everyone is probably some kind of self esteem issue. I for one have never wanted to fuck everyone - certainly not everyone BUT THE GUY I'M WITH. That's idiocy. I'm pretty picky, my partner is the best, or I wouldn't be with him, which is exactly how he feels about me.

This characterization that all open relationships are about hedonism 24/7 is ridiculous. If I don't think you are hot, I don't want to fuck you single or partnered, and the majority of guys out there aren't aren't going to qualify.

Frankly I don't have the time to go fuck everybody even if I was so inclined if I want to pay my mortgage.
 
Wanting to fuck everyone is probably some kind of self esteem issue. I for one have never wanted to fuck everyone - certainly not everyone BUT THE GUY I'M WITH. That's idiocy. I'm pretty picky, my partner is the best, or I wouldn't be with him, which is exactly how he feels about me.

This characterization that all open relationships are about hedonism 24/7 is ridiculous. If I don't think you are hot, I don't want to fuck you single or partnered, and the majority of guys out there aren't aren't going to qualify.

Frankly I don't have the time to go fuck everybody even if I was so inclined if I want to pay my mortgage.

Umm, I really don't think MoufofKhaos literally meant EVERYONE. He did specifically say "everyone but the guy I'm with..." To me that indicated that his intention was to make the point that if he wasn't happy exclusively with HIS guy sexually, and felt the need to go outside the immediate relationship to fulfill that desire, he wouldn't remain in that immediate relationship because he wouldn't feel sufficiently satisfied to maintain it. At least that's my interpretation of MoufofKhaos's post. He can correct me if I'm wrong. My fear is that you've become so defensive of your own relationship at this point that you're now starting to read what you want to read and ignore the rest. If you're happy in your relationship, be happy in it. Don't waste time defending it to people who don't see it the same way you do.

Now from my point of view, I do not believe I would feel comfortable in an open relationship because of a constant fear that I, or my boyfriend, would become interested in a hook-up emotionally, and our affection for each other would be slowly lost. Now if others are capable of the level of trust I imagine an open relationship would require, and clearly some of you are, awesome. Who am I to tell you what is right for you? That is not my place and I won't imply that it is. I just don't believe it would be right for me. And really, I think that's the very point several people have already made.

EDIT: And just to clarify to the thread as a whole, as sixthson has pointed out so many times already, the simple fact is that human nature is to pass judgments, whether positive, negative, or indifferent. Anyone in this thread agreeing with TX-Beau's opinion has passed a positive judgment on the issue, those disagreeing passing a negative judgment. Every single one of us in Hot Topics that has posted any significant amount has made a judgment at some point. We are all guilty, but that is not wrong. The point is, anyone in this thread that has argued anything at all has passed some sort of judgment on someone or something else. That most certainly includes you TX-Beau. I'm not saying you were wrong in doing so (you've been fighting for your lifestyle and I respect that), only that you shouldn't express so much anger towards the judgments being passed as you have thrown some out there yourself.
 
Or maybe I'm interpreting correctly as that is what he could have said if that is what he meant.

As to defensive, please, if I was being defensive I'd be trying to justify myself to someone.

If you don't toss shit at me, I'm not going to toss shit at you - and since we are no longer in CO/R, I don't have to hold my tongue any longer.

Your opinion will draw no fire at all. So maybe you can be an example to the guys who ARE tossing judgment around.
 
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