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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2

I have a question for anyone who has seen the movie.

Was this song in the trailer present during the film?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EC2tmFVNNE&feature=relmfu[/ame]


Or was this song just made for the trailer?
 
Well, I didn't love it...but I didn't mind it either. I have never been a fan of the Harry Potter films, though my favourite is still the third.

My issue was... I went in with too high expectations. With a 97% on Rotten Tomatoes I was expecting an epic film much like the last two Lord of the Rings movies (which critics have compared it to). David Yates is no Peter Jackson, so I should have known better. I'd articulate an appropriate response but I don't have anything really negative to say about the movie - minus cutting short the action sequences in the end with various professors and Death Eaters - and I don't have anything overly positive.

I guess it is what it is. 8/10
 
p3jedi said:
I saw the 3D version over the weekend. Really thought it was a wonderful end to the movie series. But, I was disappointed over one thing: When Harry announces to Ron and Hermione that he's going into the Forest to face Voldemort, Ron does absolutely nothing. Hermione bursts into tears and hugs Harry. And yet Ron just stands back silently. Your best friend is about die, and you don't even say anything?
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I was a little disappointed in that the first time I saw it, but upon a second viewing, I saw it a different way. Ron proves in this movie that he's been paying attention to things all along (Harry's talking in his sleep, Hermione's words from over a year earlier, etc.). He's just cried over his dead brother, so he's emotionally spent most likely, but I like to think this is true as well: he's known all along that his friend is probably going to die. Harry is The Chosen One, which in many stories would mean a prophecy saying TCO will defeat the villain. But I don't think the movies have ever pushed the idea that Harry WOULD defeat Voldemort--just that he was fated to face him.

I think it adds, in my mind, much greater depth to Ron's character to think he's known Harry is not going to make it. It would also explain why Ron now steps up to play a more serious and responsible role in this film (and which began toward the end of the last one)--he knows it's time to really "man up," because Harry might not survive this time.
 
By the way, anyone else think that Deathly Hallows Part 1 was really more Hermione's story (she rules that movie), and Deathly Hallows Part 3 belonged more to Ron and other secondary characters?

After seeing Dumbledore's plan unfold, I really see Harry even less as the hero, and more as a pawn. I've never thought (and granted, I haven't read the books) Harry worked hard enough for the breaks he gets throughout the films. So many things just seemed to fall into place for him over the years, whereas those around him were exerting effort. Hermione certainly seems to be a greater magic-user; Neville is more passionate about his studies and craft. Harry's life at Hogwarts was really all about leading him by the nose to put him in the right place at the right time with the right tools. Sure, he's often been heroic, but coincidence and outside help has so often been how he gets out of situations successfully.

Without spoiling too much for those who have not read the books yet, is Harry more a take-charge kind of hero who really studies and uses magic well, or is he more an agreeable puppet of destiny and Dumbledore's manipulations?
 
Just saw it. Very good, but didn't love it. They rushed a lot of the scenes - Dumbledore's entire back story was dismissed with a few lines and that epilogue was worse on film than it was on paper!!

Seriously! How is it they are able to render dragons out of fire but they couldn't realistically age the actors?! Hmmm?!

Anyway - that little rant aside, I thought the film was very satisfying. A nice end to it all.

And Maggie Smith. WOWSERS! How awesome is she?!

And the entire Snape back story was just pitch perfect.
 
StlKj said:
Without spoiling too much for those who have not read the books yet, is Harry more a take-charge kind of hero who really studies and uses magic well, or is he more an agreeable puppet of destiny and Dumbledore's manipulations?
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This is dealt with so much better in the book!
Snape's memory is meant to make him seem like a pawn, but in limbo with Dumbledore, the book lingers and explains everything and with such great detail.
He is a decently good wizard, but it's his character that sets him apart in the book.

I completely UNDERSTAND why these things weren't in the movie, but still I was annoyed;
-Ravenclaw tower
-Helena Ravenclaw's backstory
-Dumbledore, Arianna, Abe and Grindelwald's backstory
-The true extent that the Carrows played in the book
-Fred's actual death
-All the old characters, such as Oliver Wood etc coming back through the portrait
-DUMBLEDORE'S PORTRAIT!
-Lupin's son :|
-Why Hermione flew as well as Harry/Ron
-Not fixing his wand with the elder wand
-The lack of depth the hallows had compared to the book, where they almost eclipsed the horcruxes
-Colin Creevy's death
-Parvati Patil just wasn't in it...
-The patronuses (patronusi?) !
-House elves attack :P

Loved it though, as I said before :P
 
Finally saw it last night, even though someone here spoiled it for me. Call me stupid, but it was not overly obvious to me how it would end, since I did not read the books. Before getting spoiled, I was hoping for an ending with a surprise twist rather than the obvious. I thought JKR would have been more creative with the ending.

It was enjoyable, but as with all the other movies it seemed to be missing something to make it truly memorable and special. And it didn't help that I had a noisy couple sitting next to me that chatted, giggled through the whole movie.
 
Spiff said:
Finally saw it last night, even though someone here spoiled it for me. Call me stupid, but it was not overly obvious to me how it would end, since I did not read the books. Before getting spoiled, I was hoping for an ending with a surprise twist rather than the obvious. I thought JKR would have been more creative with the ending.

It was enjoyable, but as with all the other movies it seemed to be missing something to make it truly memorable and special. And it didn't help that I had a noisy couple sitting next to me that chatted, giggled through the whole movie.
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When Harry learns that he has to die in order to defeat Voldemort, really in the book that is the twist. It's downplayed how "final" that moment was for him in the film, and in the book you are really lead to believe he has to die and won't be able to come back. Also in the book another twist is him, and not snape, being the master of the elder wand, again the film doesn't describe that too well. But you have to understand these books are so long and have so much going on, the movies are really more for people who have read the books and have all the info.
 
EthanStorm said:
When Harry learns that he has to die in order to defeat Voldemort, really in the book that is the twist. It's downplayed how "final" that moment was for him in the film, and in the book you are really lead to believe he has to die and won't be able to come back. Also in the book another twist is him, and not snape, being the master of the elder wand, again the film doesn't describe that too well. But you have to understand these books are so long and have so much going on, the movies are really more for people who have read the books and have all the info.
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In the movie Snape wasn't the master of the elder wand, that part was explained. Only Voldermort thought he was. That was the purpose of killing him.
 
IrishGuy92 said:
This is dealt with so much better in the book!
Snape's memory is meant to make him seem like a pawn, but in limbo with Dumbledore, the book lingers and explains everything and with such great detail.
He is a decently good wizard, but it's his character that sets him apart in the book.

I completely UNDERSTAND why these things weren't in the movie, but still I was annoyed;
-Ravenclaw tower
-Helena Ravenclaw's backstory
-Dumbledore, Arianna, Abe and Grindelwald's backstory
-The true extent that the Carrows played in the book
-Fred's actual death
-All the old characters, such as Oliver Wood etc coming back through the portrait
-DUMBLEDORE'S PORTRAIT!
-Lupin's son :|
-Why Hermione flew as well as Harry/Ron
-Not fixing his wand with the elder wand
-The lack of depth the hallows had compared to the book, where they almost eclipsed the horcruxes
-Colin Creevy's death
-Parvati Patil just wasn't in it...
-The patronuses (patronusi?) !
-House elves attack :P

Loved it though, as I said before :P
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I don't understand why these things were left out. I wished that they had put them in. I wouldn't have felt so rushed. I am just glad that didn't change Nevilles story, and made it one of the 3 that killed the snake.
 
I find it somewhat interesting that nobody has made mention of the movie's soundtrack. While it's not the wondrous like the ones John Williams composed, I still thought it was emotionally right in line with the movie.

Take this one for example. If my memory serves right it's just before the scene in the boathouse. I think it definitely added to the scene. The scene with the statues coming to life and the defenses being put in place had good music, too.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxkSlvwzpo[/ame]
 
Medicman1978 said:
I don't understand why these things were left out. I wished that they had put them in. I wouldn't have felt so rushed. I am just glad that didn't change Nevilles story, and made it one of the 3 that killed the snake.
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Awk I do understand, it just wasn't possible to include so much in the time frame.
I watch it (or try to) from the perspective of someone who hasn't read the books, as it is afterall a commercial blockbuster film, that has to appeal to an audience. Because of this, they kinda have to use the story from the previous films, not books, to write the script. I mean, people who only seen the movie probably haven't thought about grindelwald/dumbledore, helena ravenclaw's backstory, etc
I also died a little inside when they didn't show Luna's room in Part 1, it made me cry in the book, it was such a beautiful scene.
Yeah, they did Neville justice.
 
Saw the film opening weekend and it was awesome. I tried not to compare to the books. My main complaint was that part 2 was too rushed. It could have been a good 2 hours and 45 minutes. Everything that happened between Gringotts (my favorite part in the book) and Hogwarts felt rushed to get to the big battle. Dumbledore's past could have been included and did they even mention Tonk's pregnancy before the resurrection stone part??? And I called bullshit on the Harry's "last walk". Your best friend is gonna surrender and Ron just stands in the background emotionless. I wanted a hug, but atleast I got to see some skin from Ron. Harry/Ginny still awkward and the over-hyped kiss was a flop. I thought Kelly Macdonald did a phenomenal job as the Grey Lady.
 
drysc12 said:
I find it somewhat interesting that nobody has made mention of the movie's soundtrack. While it's not the wondrous like the ones John Williams composed, I still thought it was emotionally right in line with the movie.

Take this one for example. If my memory serves right it's just before the scene in the boathouse. I think it definitely added to the scene. The scene with the statues coming to life and the defenses being put in place had good music, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxkSlvwzpo
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I absolutely loveeeeee this song. It really says something that I've only seen this movie once, yet I was humming this the other day and thinking about how DRAMATIC it is when they use this music when HRH are running though the battle, looking at all the devastation.
 
Spoiler Alert...



Severus Snape's Tears..... What had me curious about Dumbledore's PLANNED death is WHY he didnt know that Severus Snape wouldnt be able to Control the Elder Wand? Wasnt that the ULTIMATE part of the plan?

And since he KNEW Harry was the only Wizard that could kill "V" why didnt he explain the situation to Harry instead of relying on Snape? Harry was destined to Kill "V" so naturally he needed the Elder Wand in order to do it...

Since the Elder-Wand was the most powerful wand in the Land why didnt Dumbledore FINISH "V" a long time ago?
 
MisterMajestic said:
Spoiler Alert...



Severus Snape's Tears..... What had me curious about Dumbledore's PLANNED death is WHY he didnt know that Severus Snape wouldnt be able to Control the Elder Wand? Wasnt that the ULTIMATE part of the plan?

And since he KNEW Harry was the only Wizard that could kill "V" why didnt he explain the situation to Harry instead of relying on Snape? Harry was destined to Kill "V" so naturally he needed the Elder Wand in order to do it...

Since the Elder-Wand was the most powerful wand in the Land why didnt Dumbledore FINISH "V" a long time ago?
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Harry never used the Elder Wand against Voldemort, it backfired against Voldemort because it refused to kill the true master, which was Harry.

Voldemort was immortal with his horcruxes, the Elder Wand stands no chance against Voldemort unless his souls are killed one by one to make him mortal again.

He didn't want harry to think he was controlling his life, that's why he never told Harry.

Dumbledore admitted that there was a little glitch in his plan when Snape wasn't the wands master.
 
finally saw the last one. it was ok - likes: neat 3-d, lots of action, cool to see voldemort more, also cool to see more of hogwarts. dislikes: a lot of powerful book scenes were diminished to very little time or effect, many characters were missing or only had 1 or 2 lines... not enough hard-core nudity.
 
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